John Maine

[holdupstop23]

Umm..no. You are talking about very small sample sizes with the Twins, Oakland and Philly.

I am not saying John Maine isn't a good pitcher, I just think he's an NL pitcher and if he ever moves to the AL he'll be exposed bigtime.

son...you're getting owned in your own thread.

Thing is John MAine doesnt need an above average slider. His fastball is almost unhittable. Watch closely. It starts right down the plate and then moves upward. 95 mph rising fastball. Unhittable.

And when you have an unhittable fastball, you're going to have success. Just ask Clemens, Oswalt, Pedro.

Maine is amazing to watch.

[holdupstop23]

Just lock this thread. There is no use in arguing with such a homer. If someone would actually say Kei Igawa is better than John Maine, they need to be shot.

[cmaff051]

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son...you're getting owned in your own thread.

Thing is John MAine doesnt need an above average slider. His fastball is almost unhittable. Watch closely. It starts right down the plate and then moves upward. 95 mph rising fastball. Unhittable.

And when you have an unhittable fastball, you're going to have success. Just ask Clemens, Oswalt, Pedro.

bull, and you know it. Clemens, Oswalt and Pedro all have good fastballs, but they had plus plus secondary stuff, something John Maine has never had and will never had. Those three had more than a fastball, Maine doesn't.

[holdupstop23]

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bull, and you know it. Clemens, Oswalt and Pedro all have good fastballs, but they had plus plus secondary stuff, something John Maine has never had and will never had. Those three had more than a fastball, Maine doesn't.

Maine has a slider that is looking so much better. He used to be all fastballs AND HAD SUCCESS! Now hes using his other stuff alot more and is becoming DOMINATING. He also has a changeup that is getting there. Go watch his highlights on mlb.com and then tell me his secondary is not looking good.

[34Celtic]

this coming from the same guy that thinks Frank Williams should be a starter

[cmaff051]

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Maine has a slider that is looking so much better. He used to be all fastballs AND HAD SUCCESS! Now hes using his other stuff alot more and is becoming DOMINATING. He also has a changeup that is getting there. Go watch his highlights on mlb.com and then tell me his secondary is not looking good.

His slider is an average pitch. His changeup is an average pitch. He mixes them well with his fastball, though.

Are you honestly telling me that Maine's secondary stuff is even close to Clemens' splitter, Pedro's curveball/changeup and Oswalt's slider/curve? You are crazy.

[holdupstop23]

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His slider is an average pitch. His changeup is an average pitch. He mixes them well with his fastball, though.

Are you honestly telling me that Maine's secondary stuff is even close to Clemens' splitter, Pedro's curveball/changeup and Oswalt's slider/curve? You are crazy.

who the hell is saying that? Stop making things up homie.

I dont even know why i bother arguing with you since you have no clue of what your talking about. I bet you never even watch him pitch.

Maine barely even used his secondary stuff until like 3/4 games ago. So the guy won games with just a fastball. Now hes using it alot and its making his fastball unbelievable.

When he has full control of his secondary, he could be an ace.

[cmaff051]

His secondary stuff isn't good. That's my point.

[holdupstop23]

watch the video and then tell me.

and the funny thing is...it doesnt even have to be good.

[34Celtic]

and the funny thing is...it doesnt even have to be good.

John Maine? True because he plays in a league where you only have to pitch to 7 batters. The 8th hitter you can pitch around all you want, the 9th hitter is a pitcher and unless its Zambrano or Dontrelle its pretty much an automatic out. There are double switches and bench players on the field all the time, and there is no DH...which is where a lot of the power in the AL comes from, well unless youre a Yankee.

[holdupstop23]

The NL is REAL baseball. None of them soft ass pitchers that are scared to bat.

[34Celtic]

The NL is REAL baseball. None of them soft ass pitchers that are scared to bat.

Good for you, it doesn't dismiss the fact that its easier to pitch in the ML

[cmaff051]

I don't want to have a debate about John Maine anymore.

I'll admit he's good, now can we close this thread?