Our rotation next year...

cmaff051 · Post #21 » by **cmaff051** » Wed Sep 5, 2007 3:55 pm

34Celtic wrote:I can't discuss innings limits anymore, my head might explode.

You're right, both Chamberlain and Hughes should throw 300 innings next year.

34Celtic · Post #22 » by **34Celtic** » Wed Sep 5, 2007 5:06 pm

cmaff051 wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

You're right, both Chamberlain and Hughes should throw 300 innings next year.

You're right, but why stop there? Why not just shoot for 400?

ccvle · Post #23 » by **ccvle** » Wed Sep 5, 2007 5:19 pm

Just pitch chamberlain and or hughes out of the bullpen. Problem solved.

34Celtic · Post #24 » by **34Celtic** » Wed Sep 5, 2007 5:27 pm

ccvle wrote:Just pitch chamberlain and or hughes out of the bullpen. Problem solved.

Who starts?

kingofNY · Post #25 » by **kingofNY** » Thu Sep 6, 2007 11:15 am

What about Humberto Sanchez the Pitcher we got from the Shefield play

Post #26 » by **HCYanks** » Thu Sep 6, 2007 11:21 am

kingofNY wrote:What about Humberto Sanchez the Pitcher we got from the Shefield play

Had TJ Surgery back in the Spring, so he won't be pitching anywhere until late 2008/2009. It's not even a definite he'll have a MLB career.

34Celtic · Post #27 » by **34Celtic** » Thu Sep 6, 2007 12:32 pm

HCYanks wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

Had TJ Surgery back in the Spring, so he won't be pitching anywhere until late 2008/2009. It's not even a definite he'll have a MLB career.

kingofNY · Post #28 » by **kingofNY** » Thu Sep 6, 2007 1:59 pm

last I heard he she be good by the beginning of next Year & should be 100% at least that what Mike Kay said about amonth ago , besides players are coming back from TJ surgery quicker then ever now . Even Andrew Brackmen once he's signed I heard there Expecting him at the middle end of next season to be pitching

Post #29 » by **HCYanks** » Thu Sep 6, 2007 3:33 pm

kingofNY wrote:last I heard he she be good by the beginning of next Year & should be 100% at least that what Mike Kay said about amonth ago , besides players are coming back from TJ surgery quicker then ever now . Even Andrew Brackmen once he's signed I heard there Expecting him at the middle end of next season to be pitching

I've seen projections of Spring Training but i'm still skeptical... the general timetable for a full recovery is what, 12-18 months? Even by the best case scenario, I would still expect him down in the minors for most or all of 2008, whereas the Yankees would probably try to limit Joba and Hughes' innings early in the season rather than later on. nykgeneralmanager (our resident minor league guy) even speculated that he'd get might be converted into a reliever anyway, but i'll let him speak on that.

34Celtic · Post #30 » by **34Celtic** » Thu Sep 6, 2007 3:36 pm

There is no way Brackman will be ready by the middle of next season if he undergoes Tommy John surgery

kingofNY · Post #31 » by **kingofNY** » Thu Sep 6, 2007 4:11 pm

from what I understood he underwent Brackmen had the Surgery in July

Jitpal · Post #32 » by **Jitpal** » Thu Sep 6, 2007 4:32 pm

HCYanks wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

I've seen projections of Spring Training but i'm still skeptical... the general timetable for a full recovery is what, 12-18 months? Even by the best case scenario, I would still expect him down in the minors for most or all of 2008, whereas the Yankees would probably try to limit Joba and Hughes' innings early in the season rather than later on. nykgeneralmanager (our resident minor league guy) even speculated that he'd get might be converted into a reliever anyway, but i'll let him speak on that.

It isn't just 12-18 months. After that the pitcher might have to rework his delivery to make sure it puts less strain on his elbow. Then he has the build back up that arm strength and then he has to learn to control the ball. It's tough for veterans to come back but for both Brackman and Sanchez I would say 24 months would be a much safer estimate to when we can begin discussing where they fit and when they will be up. -Jitpal

34Celtic · Post #33 » by **34Celtic** » Thu Sep 6, 2007 5:15 pm

Jitpal hit the nail on the head. Often times after the recovery the pitcher must learn how to pitch again. I just don't get why the Yankees trust the surgery so much where they know the pitcher won't be at full strength for two years down the road. It makes absolutley no sense in my mind.

Jitpal · Post #34 » by **Jitpal** » Thu Sep 6, 2007 5:45 pm

34Celtic wrote:Jitpal hit the nail on the head. Often times after the recovery the pitcher must learn how to pitch again. I just don't get why the Yankees trust the surgery so much where they know the pitcher won't be at full strength for two years down the road. It makes absolutley no sense in my mind.

I totally see why they did, not on the Sanchez front but on the Brackman front. Granted they had not seen what we have seen so far but the organization has a lot of faith in Wang, Hughes, Chamberlain and Kennedy to be anchors for this starting rotation and we aren't afraid to spend money to get a 5th guy. They must have felt that if Brackman hits his potential or gets close to it, he could be an excellent pitcher in this league. They felt they could take a chance because 4/5 or at least 3/5 of the rotation was pretty much set already while we still have a few guys in the minors to provide protection. I see why they did and I don't fault them for it.

The Sanchez thing is another thing entirely. I understand the Tigers not wanting to deal guys like Bonderman, Verlander, Zumaya and Maybin. However, I don't understand how we couldn't get a guy like Fernando Rodney and why we had to settle for a guy that most people knew was going to need surgery. I understand taking a risk in the draft but ridding ourselves of an asset for a crapshoot. I just don't get. -Jitpal

34Celtic · Post #35 » by **34Celtic** » Thu Sep 6, 2007 6:14 pm

There were also better options available other than Brackman

Post #36 » by **Chach** » Thu Sep 6, 2007 10:02 pm

kingofNY wrote:last I heard he she be good by the beginning of next Year & should be 100% at least that what Mike Kay said about amonth ago , besides players are coming back from TJ surgery quicker then ever now . Even Andrew Brackmen once he's signed I heard there Expecting him at the middle end of next season to be pitching

Anyone who said that doesn't understand baseball injures. Yes, you are correct that guys come back sooner from TJ surgery today than 20 years ago. The timetable is still around 12-18 months. Even if Sanchez does come back to pitching in 12 months, that his arm is physically strong enough to pitch, he is most likely going to end up in Extended Spring Training to start the year and maybe he gets some time in a minor league club's bullpen towards the end of the season and try to regain his command using the John Smoltz method (which I've discussed already). You really can't expect his command to be back until Spring Training 2009. I wouldn't be surprised to see him head to the AFL or a Caribbean winter league during the 08/09 offseason to get some innings under his arm before 2009's season. That's still the best case scenario.

Brackman MIGHT be able to toss a ball by mid-sesaon but he won't be anything close to pitching until 2009 and even then it will be shaky. mahalo
~Chach~

Post #37 » by **PR07** » Fri Sep 7, 2007 12:49 pm

In guess it's possible that Sanchez could pitch next season, but I doubt how effective he'll be.

Post #38 » by **nykgeneralmanager** » Fri Sep 7, 2007 2:56 pm

Sanchez is already throwing, he will definitely be pitching next season, maybe even in the beginning of the year. Effectiveness, as you said, is questionable.