SF Giants interested in Melky ?

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Funny how the fire Joe Torre talk has settled down since our pitching started getting healthier and we started winning.

nothings changed w/ Torre he still using 6 pitchers in a 8 - 1 game, I'm just calming down on that, on top of that they playing Texas my friend and will play Seattle after this.

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Sorry had to show the depth

We got such great depth.

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Funny how the fire Joe Torre talk has settled down since our pitching started getting healthier and we started winning.

I was on that bandwagon too but I never blamed Torre for the starters, that would be ludicrous. I was displeased with him because of the way he managed the bullpen. It had nothing to do with the starters.

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nothings changed w/ Torre he still using 6 pitchers in a 8 - 1 game, I'm just calming down on that, on top of that they playing Texas my friend and will play Seattle after this.

Once again you're missing my point. Our pitching is only going to continue to get healthy. You obviously don't understand mixing and matching against Righties and lefties from last nights game...it was 6-2 by the way. Other than that since Saturday he has used more than three pitchers once I think. And the only reason he used more than 3 on Friday night during the blowout is because Bean couldn't get an out.

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Once again you're missing my point. Our pitching is only going to continue to get healthy. You obviously don't understand mixing and matching against Righties and lefties from last nights game...it was 6-2 by the way. Other than that since Saturday he has used more than three pitchers once I think. And the only reason he used more than 3 on Friday night during the blowout is because Bean couldn't get an out.

he still wasted 6 pitchers last night when he diddn't have to, if you wanna call that smart managing go ahead the only guy I won't fault him for getting work is Mo. Everyone the mix and match is BS that's not how a bullpen is suppose to be used.

[34Celtic]

Funny how the fire Joe Torre talk has settled down since our pitching started getting healthier and we started winning.

I was on that bandwagon too but I never blamed Torre for the starters, that would be ludicrous. I was displeased with him because of the way he managed the bullpen. It had nothing to do with the starters.

I know you were.....but he has been doing a much better job with the bullpen as the starting pitching has gotten healthy....dont you agree?

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Once again you're missing my point. Our pitching is only going to continue to get healthy. You obviously don't understand mixing and matching against Righties and lefties from last nights game...it was 6-2 by the way. Other than that since Saturday he has used more than three pitchers once I think. And the only reason he used more than 3 on Friday night during the blowout is because Bean couldn't get an out.

Admittedly, the Torre sitcho has gotten better directly because the starters have gone deeper and pitched better. I was against the fact that Torre would bring in guys like Henn, who can pitch more than one inning, and bring him in for 1 and have him and 3 others throw 1 inning for three games in a row instead of having some of them throw a few innings.

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Everyone the mix and match is BS that's not how a bullpen is suppose to be used.

No, then why do teams try and stagger lefty righty lefty righty throughout there lineup. Why do teams have lefty specialists and righty specialists. Im curious whats your baseball background?

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Everyone the mix and match is BS that's not how a bullpen is suppose to be used.

You can't believe that man. Teams, especially the Yankees, stagger their lineups for the sole fact that you can't bring in lefty specialists to face 3 lefties in a row. A lefty specialist would so much better against Abreu followd by Giambi followed by Matsui because they're all lefties. Stagger them, and your situation is much more favorable.

[34Celtic]

Everyone the mix and match is BS that's not how a bullpen is suppose to be used.

You can't believe that man. Teams, especially the Yankees, stagger their lineups for the sole fact that you can't bring in lefty specialists to face 3 lefties in a row. A lefty specialist would so much better against Abreu followd by Giambi followed by Matsui because they're all lefties. Stagger them, and your situation is much more favorable.

I think he hates me because I'm a celtics fan

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I think he hates me because I'm a celtics fan

Thin ice my friend, thin ice.

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No, then why do teams try and stagger lefty righty lefty righty throughout there lineup. Why do teams have lefty specialists and righty specialists. Im curious whats your baseball background?

because the game of baseball has been confused since Tony Larussa started the formula. Lefty righty is just a concept.

say a LHB is batting .200 and is in a slump a LHP or RHP can get him out in your arguement your telling me that a LHP should only pitch vs a LHB , it's ridiculous to think this formula won't waste you. The lefty for Boston goes vs LHB and RHB sometimes 2 IP, w/ Torre he'd go against one LHB and if that guy gets on he wouldn't let him pitch to the next guy if he were a RHB and instead call the pen for a RHP to combat a RHB. Jesus some of you have to understand if a RP can pin point he gets out anyone he faces especially if they can touch 98 mph while doing this, there aren't goin to be pitchers who pitch perfect w/ no walks it's dumb to take them out after 1 BB or a double.

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say a LHB is batting .200 and is in a slump a LHP or RHP can get him out in your arguement your telling me that a LHP should only pitch vs a LHB , it's ridiculous to think this formula won't waste you. The lefty for Boston goes vs LHB and RHB sometimes 2 IP, w/ Torre he'd go against one LHB and if that guy gets on he wouldn't let him pitch to him and call the pen for a RHP to combat a RHB. Jesus some of you have to understand if a RP can pin point he gets out anyone.

You're talking about a specific situation here. Watching the Yankees, the mix and match situations seem to only come up when we're facing Ortiz, Manny, and Drew haha. The formula is undoubtedly open to change depending on who is at the plate but dude, in the AL, most of the hitters can actually hit. If someone is in the throws of a miserable slump than I'm sure the mix and match goes out the window but more often than not the mix match works.

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What the hell happened. I go out to get Starbucks and instead of a 6 page thread it is 11. Now the discussion is about Torre. -Jitpal

[34Celtic]

What the hell happened. I go out to get Starbucks and instead of a 6 page thread it is 11. Now the discussion is about Torre. -Jitpal

nyknstill missed you. Reggie, Ewing and I won the arguement

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say a LHB is batting .200 and is in a slump a LHP or RHP can get him out in your arguement your telling me that a LHP should only pitch vs a LHB , it's ridiculous to think this formula won't waste you. The lefty for Boston goes vs LHB and RHB sometimes 2 IP, w/ Torre he'd go against one LHB and if that guy gets on he wouldn't let him pitch to him and call the pen for a RHP to combat a RHB. Jesus some of you have to understand if a RP can pin point he gets out anyone.

You're talking about a specific situation here. Watching the Yankees, the mix and match situations seem to only come up when we're facing Ortiz, Manny, and Drew haha. The formula is undoubtedly open to change depending on who is at the plate but dude, in the AL, most of the hitters can actually hit. If someone is in the throws of a miserable slump than I'm sure the mix and match goes out the window but more often than not the mix match works.

I can bring up so many gaffs by Torre it's not even funny, stay on topic this isn't the thread for it , now I want some coffee be back later.

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What the hell happened. I go out to get Starbucks and instead of a 6 page thread it is 11. Now the discussion is about Torre. -Jitpal

It all happened so fast......

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I can bring up so many gaffs by Torre it's not even funny

Yet the hindsight is 20/20 because when it works you don't care it's just 3 outs. I never said the formula was FLAWLESS. Nothing in baseball is flawless. Even those shifts they put on Giambi. Yea, when it works everyone just chalks it up as an out and there's nothing to say about it. When Giambi dunks one in no man's land it's a different story.

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I can bring up so many gaffs by Torre it's not even funny

Yet the hindsight is 20/20 because when it works you don't care it's just 3 outs. I never said the formula was FLAWLESS. Nothing in baseball is flawless. Even those shifts they put on Giambi. Yea, when it works everyone just chalks it up as an out and there's nothing to say about it. When Giambi dunks one in no man's land it's a different story.

nah those shifts are 97 % effective vs Giambi

now I asked my friend what is harder to find in the MLB

Abreu

or

a Noah Lowry and Jonathan Sanchez ?

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NOAH LOWRY TONIGHT IN COLORADO

7.0 IP 6 H 2 ER 4 BB 3 K 3.18 ERA