Yankees vs. the JV team - Subway Series game thread

[gooGD]

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And ignore his whole career? Nevermind the fact that he was getting very lucky in 2005 (.260 BABIP).

ummm i dont consider 20 starts and 100+ip's very lucky.

sorry, but you're starting to become a joke when you lean on "very lucky"

[gooGD]

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That's funny. You are probably the only person (along with your pathetic Met friends) that would take Maine over Hughes.

Again, I need to laugh.

did you read what i wrote?
i said 60-40 hughes.

[cmaff051]

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ummm i dont consider 20 starts and 100+ip's very lucky.

sorry, but you're starting to become a joke when you lean on "very lucky"

http://www.baseball-reference.com/c/chacosh01.shtml

Look at his 2005.

http://www.baseball-reference.com/s/smallaa01.shtml

Look at his 2005.

It's possible to get lucky for 75-150 innings.

Have a nice day.

[cmaff051]

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did you read what i wrote?
i said 60-40 hughes.

You said this

But if you had to pick a game you had to win, i would go with maine.

That's what I was making fun of.

If you were a Giants fan and you had one game you wanted to win, would you take Russ Ortiz or Tim Lincecum?

[majorleads]

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Leads you haven't won anything yet ! when you do I'll give you all the credit in the world but all this crap talk when the team isn't even where it's suppose to be this is a Yankees forum talk how good your team is, yes we can even discuss baseball but if you think you can come in here and insult our team and we're going to stay shut you got another thing coming, I'm not talking about you but the posters who are doing it are starting BS in our forum and acting like lose 10 year olds, discuss baseball in here don't flame or get flamed on.

Well then come into the Mets forum and we'll talk there!

[NYKnSTILL!]

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Well then come into the Mets forum and we'll talk there!

why I would love to but can't because first you need to tell your guard dog
shoe

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to calm down w/ his suspension finger and maybe we can make that happen

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http://www.baseball-reference.com/c/chacosh01.shtml

Look at his 2005.

http://www.baseball-reference.com/s/smallaa01.shtml

Look at his 2005.

It's possible to get lucky for 75-150 innings.

Have a nice day.

neither pitchers are power pitchers. if you throw 88-90 you have to have great secondary stuff to stay alive in the bigs as a starter. not great examples.

but the idea that you take rasner/igawa/karstens etc over sosa for a start imo is being blind. i never talked about john maine or hughes. you brought that into the conversation to deflect the argument.

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That's what I was making fun of.

If you were a Giants fan and you had one game you wanted to win, would you take Russ Ortiz or Tim Lincecum?

russ ortiz is hurt. and this is an unfair question. lincecum throws 98, and got batted around in his first big league start.

im asking if oyu had to win 1 game, would you go with a guy who has been a proven mlb starter for the last 2 years or a guy who has less than 5 starts but potential #1 upside?

personally, im going with the proven guy. obviously you choose different but that doesnt really matter. what matters is that i never said maine was better than hughes, and i even admitted ot you hughes has potential #1 upside. its all about preference.

[cmaff051]

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russ ortiz is hurt.

If he wasn't hurt, what would you do.

and this is an unfair question.

It's not an unfair question, it's just a question you don't want to answer because I just owned you with a comparision.

lincecum throws 98

No he doesn't. He sits 93-95. Hughes sits 92-94.

and got batted around in his first big league start.

And pitched a 7 IP, 2 H, 10 K masterpiece the next start... just like Hughes who took a no-hitter through 6 and 1/3 innings.

im asking if oyu had to win 1 game, would you go with a guy who has been a proven mlb starter for the last 2 years or a guy who has less than 5 starts but potential #1 upside?

I'd go with a guy who has potential #1 upside over a guy who really wouldn't be anything more than a #4, #5 starter in the AL.

personally, im going with the proven guy. obviously you choose different but that doesnt really matter. what matters is that i never said maine was better than hughes, and i even admitted ot you hughes has potential #1 upside. its all about preference.

You've been owned and dismissed. Have a nice day.

[NYKnSTILL!]

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russ ortiz is hurt. and this is an unfair question. lincecum throws 98, and got batted around in his first big league start.

im asking if oyu had to win 1 game, would you go with a guy who has been a proven mlb starter for the last 2 years or a guy who has less than 5 starts but potential #1 upside?

personally, im going with the proven guy. obviously you choose different but that doesnt really matter. what matters is that i never said maine was better than hughes, and i even admitted ot you hughes has potential #1 upside. its all about preference.

are you kidding me what do you base that on omg that's like saying who would you rather have Zito or Zambrano, how about Jeff Weaver he won the WS and pitched well in the playoffs.

Maine is good but please when you see how good Phil Hughes will be this arguement will end.

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You've been owned and dismissed. Have a nice day.

lincecum throws 98
i watched the game. he hit 97 many times and hit 98 once.

im trying to not be biased here. i said flat out is a matter of preference, not hardly being "owned and dismissed."

i dont go around badmouthing any players. im a realist. i wont sit around and tell people that john maine is a scrub and he is/was going to have a terrible year. i dont tell people that melky is a scrub, hughes sucks. i admitted that hughes has #1 potential- and i only said that because its true- not because im a mets fan.

i was just trying to be unbiased. how many times did i have to say its preference? not even owned.

[cmaff051]

lincecum throws 98
i watched the game. he hit 97 many times and hit 98 once.

He does not sit at 97 or 98. He sits in the mid 90s. He's a 93-95 mph guy.

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are you kidding me what do you base that on omg that's like saying who would you rather have Zito or Zambrano, how about Jeff Weaver he won the WS and pitched well in the playoffs.

Maine is good but please when you see how good Phil Hughes will be this arguement will end.

wow.

i said hughes was potential #1 talent.
i said 60-40 hughes.
i said i would only choose maine if i had to win just 1 game.

christ, you guys are absolutely impossible.

[YungNeef]

Comparing Isiah Thomas to Brian Cashman... you are funny majorleads.

How many times has Cashman been to the playoffs? How many times has Isiah been to the playoffs?

Let's not give Omar too much credit. He didn't draft Wright or sign Reyes. He got a bunch of free agents here and he's made some decent pitching moves.

I believe he was with us when both were picked up. As well as when Gomez was signed.

[NYKnSTILL!]

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I believe he was with us when both were picked up. As well as when Gomez was signed.

I could have sworn it was Steve Philips that got you David Wright and Jose Reyes and Lastings.

[cmaff051]

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I believe he was with us when both were picked up. As well as when Gomez was signed.

No, you are wrong. In 1999, when Reyes was picked as a free agent, Omar was still in Montreal. In 2001, when Wright was drafted, Omar was still in Montreal.

Shows how much you know.

[NYKnSTILL!]

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No, you are wrong. In 1999, when Reyes was picked as a free agent, Omar was still in Montreal. In 2001, when Wright was drafted, Omar was still in Montreal.

Shows how much you know.

more info for the misguided err bandwagon...excuse me *coughs* Mets fan

In the late 1990s, Phillips acquired stars which led the team to the 2000 World Series such as Al Leiter, Mike Piazza, and Robin Ventura. He is also credited with drafting David Wright and acquiring Jos

[YungNeef]

Minaya was with the Mets when Phillips was. He left when Major League Baseball took over the Expos and made him their GM. I'm not willing to say Phillips got us either, because I don't think he was involved in our draft or international signings.

[YungNeef]

Both of you are wrong, because Minaya left the Mets to join the Expos in 2002.

[KnickTerp12]

^ Because Mets fans didn't pay that much attention when the Yanks were dominating and the Mets were doin nothin