John Maine

[Lord Commander]

Maine's peripherals just aren't that good to convince anyone that he can sustain this low of an ERA. First of all, he is largely a flyball pitchers. While it helps being in a pitcher's park, it is more likely that his ERA will rise as a flyball pitcher, especially as it gets warmer out and balls really begin to fly out of ballparks. His WHIP is currently 1.337, I'd have to do some research, but you'd be hard pressed to find a number of guys with that high of a WHIP and this low of an ERA after a full season. He doesn't strike out a great amount of batters, and obviously he walks a lot. With those peripherals, his ERA will probably finish a little lower than 4.

That's what I'm predicting for Maine - 15-10 </= 4.00 ERA. But I wouldn't be surprised, given the strides he's made under Peterson, if he were to post a better record. Hardly "garbage"

[nykgeneralmanager]

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That's what I'm predicting for Maine - 15-10 </= 4.00 ERA. But I wouldn't be surprised, given the strides he's made under Peterson, if he were to post a better record. Hardly "garbage"

I've never used the word garbage for him, I've been one of the few Yankee fans actually giving him credit as a solid pitcher. However, he is not better than any Yankee starter once Clemens and Hughes return, that is all I'm disagreeing with you.

[Lord Commander]

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I've never used the word garbage for him, I've been one of the few Yankee fans actually giving him credit as a solid pitcher. However, he is not better than any Yankee starter once Clemens and Hughes return, that is all I'm disagreeing with you.

No not you..he knows who he is. He started this thread..

[cmaff051]

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No not you..he knows who he is. He started this thread..

I backed down from my statement that he is garbage.

He still isn't better than anybody on this staff.

[34Celtic]

That's what I'm predicting for Maine - 15-10 </= 4.00 ERA. But I wouldn't be surprised, given the strides he's made under Peterson, if he were to post a better record. Hardly "garbage"

Just realize that doesn't translate the same to the American League East and we'll all just call it a day

[MetaKnick13]

Maine has still yet to prove to me that he is really anything special...

[majorleads]

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I backed down from my statement that he is garbage.

He still isn't better than anybody on this staff.

Well then if Maine is crap, I sure hope he matches up against Roger Clemens at Yankee Stadium.

[34Celtic]

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Well then if Maine is crap, I sure hope he matches up against Roger Clemens at Yankee Stadium.

So do we....So do we

[ReggieFULLeffect]

Toholewithsoul, nothing of what we are saying about Maine are predicitons, they are statements. We haven't predicted that he isn't that good, we said he isn't that good. You're over there playing Nostradamus saying that this one will get hurt and this one will lose it. That's just foolish to think that you know who is going to get hurt(unless we are talking about Pavano) and exactly how someone will play this year going on not even half a year of baseball.

[Lord Commander]

Toholewithsoul, nothing of what we are saying about Maine are predicitons, they are statements. We haven't predicted that he isn't that good, we said he isn't that good. You're over there playing Nostradamus saying that this one will get hurt and this one will lose it. That's just foolish to think that you know who is going to get hurt(unless we are talking about Pavano) and exactly how someone will play this year going on not even half a year of baseball.

Yeah well, Mussina isn't exactly setting the world on fire now is he???

[ReggieFULLeffect]

He hasn't set the world on fire at all this season. Bold prediction on your part. I predict that Jose Reyes will steal 50 bases this year. See how bold I can be?

[Lord Commander]

He hasn't set the world on fire at all this season. Bold prediction on your part. I predict that Jose Reyes will steal 50 bases this year. See how bold I can be?

Bold?!?! Considering he's already half-way to your "prediction" and we're only in May, I'd say you're just being flippant. On the other hand, Musinna looks like he's starting a new trend - downward...

[ReggieFULLeffect]

Bold?!?! Considering he's already half-way to your "prediction" and we're only in May, I'd say you're just being flippant.

I certiainly was being flippant. That was the point.

[Jose7]

John Maine tonight: 6 Ip | 4 BB | 8 Ks | 4 hits | 2 Er.

Suckas.

[cmaff051]

Congrats to John Maine on pitching well against that juggernaut Marlins offense.

Do they have any other good hitting clubs in the national league other than the Mets? It's pathetic how many scrubs in the national league are actually having respectable years. You only need to look at Ted Lily, who was mediocre at best in the American League, and to see how he is dominating the National League, to see how bad the National League truly is (other than the Mets).

[YungNeef]

Funny thing is, the Marlins offense is actually pretty damn good.

[Jose7]

Don't pay attention to him. He is just trying to downplay how good John Maine is and can be. His slider was rediculous today, the best I've seen it all season.

[nykgeneralmanager]

One thing about Maine is that he has only faced 2 top 5 offenses this season, the Yankees and Phillies. In those 2 games combined, he pitched 9.2 innings and allowed 13 hits and 7 runs to go along with 8 Ks and 9 BBs. In his 8 other starts, he has gone up against 5 teams in the bottom 10 of offense in the majors.

[majorleads]

One thing about Maine is that he has only faced 2 top 5 offenses this season, the Yankees and Phillies. In those 2 games combined, he pitched 9.2 innings and allowed 13 hits and 7 runs to go along with 8 Ks and 9 BBs. In his 8 other starts, he has gone up against 5 teams in the bottom 10 of offense in the majors.

How many pitchers faced more than 2 top 5 offenses this season and did well? Maine's problem is his control. His ball moves soooo much that it's very difficult to control. Obviously his problem is walks but, once he's able to find a consistent release point and use that great ball movement to his advantage, he will be a consistent winner.

Also remember now, Maine is a young pitcher and still learning how to get batters out. He just turned 26. Tonight he actually had his slider working, a pitch that wasn't working for him when he faced the Yankees. And you know what happens when you don't have your control against the Yankees, you get your brains beat in.

[nykgeneralmanager]

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How many pitchers faced more than 2 top 5 offenses this season and did well? Maine's problem is his control. His ball moves soooo much that it's very difficult to control. Obviously his problem is walks but, once he's able to find a consistent release point and use that great ball movement to his advantage, he will be a consistent winner.

Also remember now, Maine is a young pitcher and still learning how to get batters out. He just turned 26. Tonight he actually had his slider working, a pitch that wasn't working for him when he faced the Yankees. And you know what happens when you don't have your control against the Yankees, you get your brains beat in.

He doesn't have to do well against top 5 offenses to prove anything, but simply hold his own if he is going to be a good major league pitcher. He couldn't hold his own at all against those teams. He has placed some pretty horrid offenses, including the Diamondbacks, Cardinals, Giants, Rockies, and Nationals. He is going to have to do more against maybe not the top 5 offenses, but at least the top 10 or 15. Like I said, he doesn't need 6 shutout innings against those teams. If he put together a line of 6 innings, 6 hits, 3 runs, 5 Ks against the Yankees that would prove a lot. He hasn't done anything like that against an offense anything like the Yankees.