Why can't we put a salary cap in baseball?

[Mecca]

Honestly, my love for baseball has faded because of this. I used to watch around 100-120 games a year, and year by year, my love for the Yanks have faded. It's apparent why, there's no salary cap, so we just BUY everyone. Please don't tell me it's because we're smart and we use our money better. If other teams used their money like we do, they'd be bankrupt.


A salary cap and base needs to be set in place. Something like a 70 base and a 110 cap. I'm dying for it, and honestly it would make the sport much more competitive all around.

[rappa]

Well simply because there is no need for one. You're like 15 years old, you obviously don't know much about baseball. Since its so OBVIOUS we BUY everyone, how come we only have 1 ws in the past 10 years? Right, cause HIGHEST PAYROLL = CHAMPIONSHIPS.

I don't have the time right now in my day to show you through numbers but since your still in HS, please just do a little research before making dumb posts.

Over the past 10 years, only 1 team has won the WS with the highest payroll, that was the 09 yanks. Obviously thats just a small point but go and look at the turnover in what teams make the playoffs. It varies except for say the Yankees but then again you have the things in all other sports: How many times have the colts / pats made the playoffs in past 10 years? How bout the eagles? Or lets go to the NBA: lakers have been in the playoffs for how many straight years? both those leagues have salary caps.

And then again this whole buying argument is counterproductive when your own team, the ny knicks had the highest payroll in the nba for the past 3 years and were the worst team.

BUYING players doesn't work, and this topic has been debated countless times by a lot smarter people and to be quite honest, no one cares if your love for baseball has faded. You aren't very educated it seems when it comes to baseball nor have you even decided to look at the facts.

The yankees won the WS in a year when their payroll decreased, go figure.

Do some research and then bring some valid points why their should be a salary cap instead of just making up some half-witted argument that holds no merit and just goes to show why some yankee fans are disliked.

[Jitpal]

Here's a question. If you put in a salary cap are all minor leaguers, international free agent signings and draft bonuses a part of it? If they aren't then teams with money are just going to shift from spending 40-50 million more than everyone else on the major league roster to those guys. The top teams will buy up all the young talent and then pay them nothing for 6 years. Rinse and repeat. It still wouldn't be fair. Do you think if the Marlins were forced to increase their payroll 30-40 million would then want to compete to sign drafted players or international free agents with the Yankees who suddenly have an extra 40-50 million that they are used to spending, not being spent anymore? You would have to completely change baseball as we know it. The only way to balance it all out would be to go to a football system with non-guaranteed contracts and a hard cap. There is no way that ever happens in baseball. -Jitpal

[Mecca]

Well simply because there is no need for one. You're like 15 years old, you obviously don't know much about baseball. Since its so OBVIOUS we BUY everyone, how come we only have 1 ws in the past 10 years? Right, cause HIGHEST PAYROLL = CHAMPIONSHIPS.

I don't have the time right now in my day to show you through numbers but since your still in HS, please just do a little research before making dumb posts.

Over the past 10 years, only 1 team has won the WS with the highest payroll, that was the 09 yanks. Obviously thats just a small point but go and look at the turnover in what teams make the playoffs. It varies except for say the Yankees but then again you have the things in all other sports: How many times have the colts / pats made the playoffs in past 10 years? How bout the eagles? Or lets go to the NBA: lakers have been in the playoffs for how many straight years? both those leagues have salary caps.

And then again this whole buying argument is counterproductive when your own team, the ny knicks had the highest payroll in the nba for the past 3 years and were the worst team.

BUYING players doesn't work, and this topic has been debated countless times by a lot smarter people and to be quite honest, no one cares if your love for baseball has faded. You aren't very educated it seems when it comes to baseball nor have you even decided to look at the facts.

The yankees won the WS in a year when their payroll decreased, go figure.

Do some research and then bring some valid points why their should be a salary cap instead of just making up some half-witted argument that holds no merit and just goes to show why some yankee fans are disliked.

. I was 15 when I joined the site... almost 3 years ago. I'm 17 now, and I remembered more baseball while eating my cereal this morning then you've known your entire life. GTFO outta hear with that ****. I probably know 10x more than you. Personal Attacks all over this post. I hope your ass gets banned.

We also have made the playoffs 9 out of the last 10 years, and have been over .500 for over 15 years now.. How bout that one? Money gets you in the playoffs.

The NBA/NFL are different, there is a cap, and the Knicks had IT. That shouldn't count.

The Yankees haven't finished under .500 since 1992... But salaries mean nothing right!?

The only way the Rays made their run was drafting to PERFECTION. The Royals, Pirates, have basically no shot. The Yankees will never have to worry about being a last placed team. Your arguments are awful. Get outta hear.

[Mecca]

Here's a question. If you put in a salary cap are all minor leaguers, international free agent signings and draft bonuses a part of it? If they aren't then teams with money are just going to shift from spending 40-50 million more than everyone else on the major league roster to those guys. The top teams will buy up all the young talent and then pay them nothing for 6 years. Rinse and repeat. It still wouldn't be fair. Do you think if the Marlins were forced to increase their payroll 30-40 million would then want to compete to sign drafted players or international free agents with the Yankees who suddenly have an extra 40-50 million that they are used to spending, not being spent anymore? You would have to completely change baseball as we know it. The only way to balance it all out would be to go to a football system with non-guaranteed contracts and a hard cap. There is no I stiway that ever happens in baseball. -Jitpal

Well, for starters no one in the MLB should be making 20-30 million a year. That's just too much.

Also, yes, I would like to change baseball in that regards. The Yankees having an extra 100 million to spend wouldn't kill them completely as Cash has been wanting to lower the budget for a while now, to prove that he can win without top dollar.

I think there should be an MLB cap and an added farm cap. Such as a 110 max and a 130 minor cap.

[Dr. Detfink]

In this country, we do not subscribe to BILLION DOLLAR WELFARE.

Look no further than the NBA who over expanded and punishing the franchises NOT dumb enough to give Darko 30 million. Creating a situation where the Knicks either are forced to overpay to get a marginal player OR get stiffed by big time players (see Lebron).

MLB has MORE LEGIT parity than NFL.

Regular season means something. The BEST team doesn't always get to the Super Bowl but the best situation. As much as I loved the Giants were they the best team when they defeated the Pats? Dunno. But I DO KNOW, there is NO DISPUTING the SF Giants after 162 games, 2 playoff series, and a Seven Game WS.

[rappa]

Well simply because there is no need for one. You're like 15 years old, you obviously don't know much about baseball. Since its so OBVIOUS we BUY everyone, how come we only have 1 ws in the past 10 years? Right, cause HIGHEST PAYROLL = CHAMPIONSHIPS.

I don't have the time right now in my day to show you through numbers but since your still in HS, please just do a little research before making dumb posts.

Over the past 10 years, only 1 team has won the WS with the highest payroll, that was the 09 yanks. Obviously thats just a small point but go and look at the turnover in what teams make the playoffs. It varies except for say the Yankees but then again you have the things in all other sports: How many times have the colts / pats made the playoffs in past 10 years? How bout the eagles? Or lets go to the NBA: lakers have been in the playoffs for how many straight years? both those leagues have salary caps.

And then again this whole buying argument is counterproductive when your own team, the ny knicks had the highest payroll in the nba for the past 3 years and were the worst team.

BUYING players doesn't work, and this topic has been debated countless times by a lot smarter people and to be quite honest, no one cares if your love for baseball has faded. You aren't very educated it seems when it comes to baseball nor have you even decided to look at the facts.

The yankees won the WS in a year when their payroll decreased, go figure.

Do some research and then bring some valid points why their should be a salary cap instead of just making up some half-witted argument that holds no merit and just goes to show why some yankee fans are disliked.

. I was 15 when I joined the site... almost 3 years ago. I'm 17 now, and I remembered more baseball while eating my cereal this morning then you've known your entire life. GTFO outta hear with that ****. I probably know 10x more than you. Personal Attacks all over this post. I hope your ass gets banned.

We also have made the playoffs 9 out of the last 10 years, and have been over .500 for over 15 years now.. How bout that one? Money gets you in the playoffs.

The NBA/NFL are different, there is a cap, and the Knicks had IT. That shouldn't count.

The Yankees haven't finished under .500 since 1992... But salaries mean nothing right!?

The only way the Rays made their run was drafting to PERFECTION. The Royals, Pirates, have basically no shot. The Yankees will never have to worry about being a last placed team. Your arguments are awful. Get outta hear.

You know more then me about baseball? Please, you're not even in college. I played division 1 college baseball, I played minor league baseball all the way up to high a, and I even worked for the yankees baseball operations for over a year. Let me tell you kid, you have absolutely no idea what your talking about.

You're talking about playoffs and records but you still seem to neglect everything I said.

Money gets you in the playoffs? Right, what was the mets payroll the past few years and where have they been? Once again, you prove you don't know much.

You claim money buys you playoffs and then so simply disregard the knicks because IT was gm. It doesn't matter who was the GM, the knicks had no talent. Teams are consistent because they have talent. You speak of this salary cap and yet still show no arguments other then over .500 records and playoff streaks. WOW

Braves made the playoffs for how many years? How high was their payroll? Marlins won 2 world series in the past 15 years, how high were their payrolls?

I guess its the yankees fault for being a well run organization and everyone elses for not being.

Talent gets you where you need to be, and for the past 14 years, the yankees have had players at key positions who's WAR's were way above league average. In case you don't know what WAR is, its wins above replacement player. No team in the entire league had a core 4 like the yankees in Jeter, Rivera, Posada and Pettite. Thats a hall of fame ss, best closer of all time, borderline hof / great offensive catcher, and a workhorse SP.

Most teams would be happy with just one of those, yet the yankees were lucky enough to have all 4. This alone led to a great probability of making the playoffs, especially when you add in all the other factors such as money.

Comeon kid, make a valid point other then saying they make the playoffs and are above .500. Of course there going to be above .500 when they have 2 guaranteed hall of famers, an above average cf and catcher, and a workhorse sp. All 5 of them came from their own minor league system, the yankees didn't buy any of them, and all 5 lead them to 4 ws with the other 4 leading to a 5th.

Lets take a quick look at the top 10 teams in payroll for last season:
Yankees = playoffs
Red Sox = nope
Cubs = nope
Phillies = playoffs
Mets = nope
Tigers = nope
White Sox = nope
Angels = nope
Seattle = nope
Giants = WS Champs

wow, a stunning 3/10 made the playoffs out of the top 10. Of course, highest payrolls mean playoffs and world series oh my god.

Lets go back to 09:
yankees = ws champs
mets = nope
cubs = nope
red sox = playoffs
tigers = nope
angels = playoffs
phillies = playoffs
astros = nope
dodgers = playoffs
mariners = nope

So thats what 5/10....and the difference between the dodgers and the other 4 teams payrolls are miniscule so in reality its 4/10 so once again, money doesn't guarantee playoffs.

Now lets take a look at why these teams are in the playoffs and not their payroll.

Yankees, previously noted had the core 4 and then some players added by FA signings but mixed with home grown players such as cano, robertson, hughes, joba.

Phillies, home grown talent core in howard, utley, rollins, hamels.

red sox, home grown talent in youkilis, pedroia, papelbon, lester, ellsbury...

giants, lincecum, cain, bumgarner, wilson, posey, sandoval...

do you see the recurring theme? these teams all have homegrown talent that allows them to sustain success over time. Of course theyre payrolls are going to be high because they need to pay to keep their talent. Most of these teams have augmented their home grown talent with FA acquisitions, just like the yankees or through trades from their farm system, ie: phillies for cliff lee, red soxx for josh beckett, etc....

To say a team can't compete cause theres no salary cap is straight pessimism. You bring up the royals and say they suck right now and how the rays drafted well to get where they are.....UMM HELLO, ALL THESE TEAMS DRAFTED WELL AND THEN USED THEIR RESOURCES TO MAKE THEIR TEAMS BETTER.

The royals have the most loaded farm system in the MLB. They are going to be the next rays, and they can spend.

PAYROLLS aren't the problem, its organizational incompetency and a terrible draft / ifa system that allows the yankees and other big name clubs to take advantage of a system that has no pay structure to get high end talent they shouldn't have access too.

You're clearly way in over your head if you want to debate with me about baseball and to even believe you know more then me is a dream. You were an infant when the yankees were a dynasty, and it wasn't because they paid for everyone. Its WHEN they started to buy people is where they fell off the tracks.

Touching on another note you made to jitpal:

A farm cap? do you even know how many people are in a farm system? do you even know many levels of baseball their are? do you even know anything? just stop making suggestions, you're obviously un-educated in how a baseball organization is run.

[Mecca]

Personally attack me/Call me kid one more time, and we can really get into in personally, whereas talking tough over the internet is meaningless. I don't have the time to read your post as I have better things to do at the moment.

[ccvle]

Rappa backed up with stats and history. You opened a thread to have a discussion and all you pointed out was yankees spending money was bad.

[rappa]

Personally attack me/Call me kid one more time, and we can really get into in personally, whereas talking tough over the internet is meaningless. I don't have the time to read your post as I have better things to do at the moment.

Ha, more like you have no clue what in the world to say back since you bring nothing to the table. Let me guess, the better thing you had to do is go to sleep, probably past your bed time when you got to be up for high school at 7am.

Get a life KID, you shouldn't spend your teenage years on a messageboard which you clearly do as you have 9000 posts in 2-3 years. Maybe make some freinds in real life or do you get all whiney everytime someone disagrees with you

[Pharmcat]

enough of this