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fire giardi

pick up swish option and trade him

trade texiera to whoever strikes out on price/pujols while picking up some cash

sign darvish/wilson, offer CC one year extension at 25 mill to his current 4 yrs left

RANT ON

Girardi is an idiot. Hate blaming the manager for a loss, but the guy didn't change the lineup ONCE during the series despite having dead weight at the 4,5 and 6 spots. Posada should have been batting 6th tonight and my god free Montero you f***ing idiot. Gardner should have been leading off and everyone should have been moved one spot down.

It's really incredible that this team didn't win the World Series this year ..

Girardi didn't look good in this series, I agree with the above

Wait, you applaud Girardi changing the line up with Cano hitting third but now you flake on him? A-rod & Tex are big boys...changing a line up AGAIN is not going to explain All-Stars hitting .111 & .171 respectively. Unacceptable. Players lost that game.

Dr. Detfink wrote:Wait, you applaud Girardi changing the line up with Cano hitting third but now you flake on him? A-rod & Tex are big boys...changing a line up AGAIN is not going to explain All-Stars hitting .111 & .171 respectively. Unacceptable. Players lost that game.

leyland changes his lineups

i believe the POs are a time where you need to be willing to be flexible and change the lineup

but whatever, im not that mad, i wasnt expecting a ring this year anyways

I hardly call flip flopping Brandon Inge and Yankee killer Kelly in and out per lefty/righty to be THAT huge of an adjustment. Cabrera (.200), Martinez (.222) & Ordonez (.455) have been largely untouched.

Bottom line is, the big names did NOT deliver....The Tigers DARED A-rod & Teixiera to hurt them and they failed repeatedly. The numbers AND situations do not lie. They didn't get beat by anyone from the Red Sox, Rays, or Verlander...they got beat by middle relief and even worse that dancing chump Valverde.

I don't know what the medical conditions are for A-Rod and Tex (anyone wonder if Tex was juicing? Kind of like Giambi his numbers when south)....

Yanks need youth...and #2 pitcher. We know Montero is the future clean up hitter behind Cano but I'd like someone for average. Very concerned about CC's weight & his velocity.

Dr. Detfink wrote:I hardly call flip flopping Brandon Inge and Yankee killer Kelly in and out per lefty/righty to be THAT huge of an adjustment. Cabrera (.200), Martinez (.222) & Ordonez (.455) have been largely untouched.

Bottom line is, the big names did NOT deliver....The Tigers DARED A-rod & Teixiera to hurt them and they failed repeatedly. The numbers AND situations do not lie. They didn't get beat by anyone from the Red Sox, Rays, or Verlander...they got beat by middle relief and even worse that dancing chump Valverde.

I don't know what the medical conditions are for A-Rod and Tex (anyone wonder if Tex was juicing? Kind of like Giambi his numbers when south)....

Yanks need youth...and #2 pitcher. We know Montero is the future clean up hitter behind Cano but I'd like someone for average. Very concerned about CC's weight & his velocity.

arod has a bad knee, thumb and a shoulder injury

how does any1 expect him to turn on a fastball?

tex is not injured, he has just been figured out...he needs to simplify his swing and stop attempting to pull the ball....he pulls pitchers throw him off speed stuff and he pops out

would you do montero for cain?

Pharmcat wrote:

Dr. Detfink wrote:Wait, you applaud Girardi changing the line up with Cano hitting third but now you flake on him? A-rod & Tex are big boys...changing a line up AGAIN is not going to explain All-Stars hitting .111 & .171 respectively. Unacceptable. Players lost that game.

leyland changes his lineups

i believe the POs are a time where you need to be willing to be flexible and change the lineup

but whatever, im not that mad, i wasnt expecting a ring this year anyways

Didn't Torre put a struggling Arod 6th in the lineup in the playoffs because he was struggling? And I don't think it worked.

You can tweak lineups, but you don't usually move your big hitters around, they have to hit period.

Hope we don't end up with another Arod contract with CC. His deal is fine as it is, if he opts out, the new deal better not be some drastic increase in years and money...

I think this is where the Yanks need to get creative to ultimately plan 2-3 yrs ahead to land a big #2 front line pitcher (or #1 as CC gets older and fatter). Nova and (hopefully Hughes) are your #3 & #4 pitchers as AJ Burnett is your classic .500 pitcher at #5. Whether it's through the farm or through trade or FA....they desperately need to target a #2 pitcher.

Fielding wise, they could use more athletic hitters that hit for average to compliment the power. I'd love upgrades offensively especially at the corner OF positions. Infield, we can live with because until Jeter or A-rod are done, you might as well leg out their contracts.

Pen is VERY deep.

For once I agree with Detfink, moving the lineup around wouldn't have helped at all. The problem with trading Teix is that he has a no trade clause. I love how everyone's plan is to just trade everyone away all of a sudden and sign all the big name FA. That is not a good plan at all to be honest simply because we will be left with huge contracts once again.

If we are to trade Teixera, Montero would instantly become the 1B. Ideally, trading Tex to SF or LAA for either Santana or Cain would be ideal, but it's too big of a dream. The fact that Swisher is one of the worst post season performers, year in and year our, needs to be brought to the forefront. Time and time again this guy hasn't come through at all and albeit he has a decent option, he should definitely be looked at as expendable.

Hughes looked great in short relief, 94-95, maybe he can build on that and come into ST throwing the way he was 2 years ago.

I honestly feel our best bet would be to make a play for Yu Darvish. People will say yea it's going to cost 40mil posting fee, but people don't realize how easily that 40mil would be recouped through Japanese sponsorship / tv deals / following / merchandise / etc. He is a workhorse, not in the mold of Dice-K, as he's 6'5 and has been dominant with great control his whole career. Add Montero to this lineup for a full season, subtract Jorge and I think we'd be in business. Our relief corps will be returning, maybe even Joba comes back healthier and better than ever.

for the record ive read tex is leader for yu atm

btw who would you choose between wilson and darvish?

both will prolly cost close to 100 million

darvish brings yanks more revenue + has more better stuff?
with wilson you know you get a established pitcher

EDIT: the more i think about it, i think they should punt again this year and wait till next FA class, this FA class is weak compared to next one....save the money for that....bring back freddy, colon, and if they struggle, give the AAA kids some burn

Here's a kind of an interesting out of norm approach to "rebuilding" the Yankees that, while initially sounding illogical and extreme in parts, does make sense after some thought is given to it...

http://nybaseballdigest.com/?p=40566

Among the suggestions:

1. Off Sabbathia a deal that is the same as the one the Phils gave Cliff Lee (5 years $120-ish million) and include in it some sort of weight or body mass index clause which could make it more per.

2. Decline option on Nick Swisher and look for cheaper and "hungrier" options (mentions Beltran as a possiblity).

3. Pass on CJ Wilson (whom he compared to AJ Burnett and Carl Pavano) and Yu Darvish and go after a combination of trades for someone like Felix Hernandez or get an innings eater while giving some of their young guys extended time (basically the bridging the gap to cream of the crop FA stock of 2013).

4. Look to include much cash and trade ARod (to Miami...new home of the Marlins) and then use the money to go after Pujols or Fielder.

Pharmcat wrote:btw who would you choose between wilson and darvish?

both will prolly cost close to 100 million

darvish brings yanks more revenue + has more better stuff?
with wilson you know you get a established pitcher

EDIT: the more i think about it, i think they should punt again this year and wait till next FA class, this FA class is weak compared to next one....save the money for that....bring back freddy, colon, and if they struggle, give the AAA kids some burn

Well it's between the known (Wilson) and the unknown (Darvish). Normally you favor the known commodity. However, the problem with the known (Wilson) is "how good is he (especially when it counts in the playoffs)?". And there's still the unknown of whether he'd be able to handle NY and the spotlight. Is Wilson any better than a 3rd starter and would he, in a Yankee uniform, be another Burnett/Pavano (as some believe he will become)?

If you have to go with either, I'd probably go with Darvish. Younger, better stuff and he's familiar with the spotlight (he's like the Jeter of Japan as far as the media is concerned).

Punting is an option IF Sabbathia returns (in that you go with him and Nova and then what not...some innings eater type...for another season while you wait for the big FA class of 2013). I don't think it's an option if CC leaves...not for this team.

But the problem is really more than just the pitching IMHO...it's the whole vibe of this team in the postseason. There's not the ssne of energy, enthusiasm, desire or fearlessness that they had when they were winning it all. Like the Phils, they just aren't right come the playoffs...slmost liek they are playing not to lose than to win.

moocow007 wrote:

Pharmcat wrote:btw who would you choose between wilson and darvish?

both will prolly cost close to 100 million

darvish brings yanks more revenue + has more better stuff?
with wilson you know you get a established pitcher

EDIT: the more i think about it, i think they should punt again this year and wait till next FA class, this FA class is weak compared to next one....save the money for that....bring back freddy, colon, and if they struggle, give the AAA kids some burn

Well it's between the known (Wilson) and the unknown (Darvish). Normally you favor the known commodity. However, the problem with the known (Wilson) is "how good is he (especially when it counts in the playoffs)?". And there's still the unknown of whether he'd be able to handle NY and the spotlight. Is Wilson any better than a 3rd starter and would he, in a Yankee uniform, be another Burnett/Pavano (as some believe he will become)?

If you have to go with either, I'd probably go with Darvish. Younger, better stuff and he's familiar with the spotlight (he's like the Jeter of Japan as far as the media is concerned).

Punting is an option IF Sabbathia returns (in that you go with him and Nova and then what not...some innings eater type...for another season while you wait for the big FA class of 2013). I don't think it's an option if CC leaves...not for this team.

But the problem is really more than just the pitching IMHO...it's the whole vibe of this team in the postseason. There's not the ssne of energy, enthusiasm, desire or fearlessness that they had when they were winning it all. Like the Phils, they just aren't right come the playoffs...slmost liek they are playing not to lose than to win.

i dont know about darvish, some scouts say he is awesome, others say his off speed action will be picked up by mlb hitters who will then wait for his fastball....its just a huge unknown

wilson will also cost close to 100

i think team should punt and wait till 2012

moocow007 wrote:Here's a kind of an interesting out of norm approach to "rebuilding" the Yankees that, while initially sounding illogical and extreme in parts, does make sense after some thought is given to it...

http://nybaseballdigest.com/?p=40566

Among the suggestions:

1. Off Sabbathia a deal that is the same as the one the Phils gave Cliff Lee (5 years $120-ish million) and include in it some sort of weight or body mass index clause which could make it more per.

2. Decline option on Nick Swisher and look for cheaper and "hungrier" options (mentions Beltran as a possiblity).

3. Pass on CJ Wilson (whom he compared to AJ Burnett and Carl Pavano) and Yu Darvish and go after a combination of trades for someone like Felix Hernandez or get an innings eater while giving some of their young guys extended time (basically the bridging the gap to cream of the crop FA stock of 2013).

4. Look to include much cash and trade ARod (to Miami...new home of the Marlins) and then use the money to go after Pujols or Fielder.

1) cash may be willing, but levine will give cc whatever he wants

2) swisher is no good in POs, but at 10 mill hes fine....and beltran? no way, not another player with knee issues...again with the punting scheme, keep him for the year, and reconsider next year in that FA market

3) no 1 wants arod due to his health, tex is harder to trade due to his NTC...hence both will be back

Honestly I wouldn't go all out this off-season, next off-season is the year they should be spending big. There are a ton of big-time players:

Miguel Montero is a catching option with Martin becoming a FA next year, depending on how they value Jesus Monteros defense.
Josh Hamilton, Delmon Young, Ethier, Matt Kemp are OF options.
Grienke, Hamels, Cain, Danks, Marcum, Anibal Sanchez are all free agents without options. And Haren, Ervin Santana, and Shields all have team options.

I like CJ Wilson...I'm just not crazy about him. At least not the kind of guy that I would pay #1 money. The AL East is so nasty to pitch to...he's more of a #3 at $60M over so many yrs. Clearly not 80-100M.

cj wilson will get burnett money at least

like i said, punt this OS

if they want to get Yu b/c of marketing revenue, thats fine

I think Lance Berkman is proving more valuable than Nick Swisher...