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Pineda has a tear in his labrum. Arthroscopic surgery scheduled for next Tuesday

Mark Feinsand ‏ @BloggingBombers
Cashman said it's "a full year" for Pineda's rehab. He won't pitch in 2012.

Mark Feinsand ‏ @BloggingBombers
Cashman: "We believe this took place on the last pitch of his rehab outing."

Mark Feinsand ‏ @BloggingBombers
Cashman said the MRI taken at the time of the trade and the MRI taken in spring training were clean and had no sign of a shoulder tear.

FIRE CASHMAN

fire cashman for this blunder of a trade

Pharmcat wrote:fire cashman for this blunder of a trade

this dude is going to be jaba 2.0. i would of rather had cliff lee even if hes older i think he will age well. smh@cash

you knew it was bad when the agent wanted the 2nd opinion

cashman needs to be fired for this....this is the 2nd year in a row he has gotten pitchers that are damanged shoulder goods, he has no eye for talent at all

Pharmcat wrote:you knew it was bad when the agent wanted the 2nd opinion

cashman needs to be fired for this....this is the 2nd year in a row he has gotten pitchers that are damanged shoulder goods, he has no eye for talent at all

dude is just terrible, he gets alot of praise as a gm but given the resources the yankees have as team i could probally run it better

Well our vaunted Pitching rotation sucks again

This is more like carl povano 2.0. How do u get injured in rehab? Your shoulder just dont tear all of a sudden on your last pitch. You gotta have existen shoulder problems to start with.

just love when a trade goes belly-up

I hear Bonderman is available...only have to wait a year on him too.

read and weep

http://www.slate.com/articles/sports/sp ... d_him.html

fire cashman

anybody think we should go after oswalt (not sure if he wants to pitch here) or bad idea

damedash09 wrote:anybody think we should go after oswalt (not sure if he wants to pitch here) or bad idea

Sure, why not, I hear he has some tightness in his pitching arm.

ETA - woops, wrong thread.

This is truly upsetting but it is definitely due to him coming to camp out of shape and odds are didn't throw much coming in to camp. I even have the experience to prove it:

Long story short, I was drafted out of HS, didn't sign and went on to play D1 Baseball. Was anointed closer after a great fall and I was consistent 92-94 out of the pen. Over the winter, I went home and worked out vigorously and but due to being in the northeast, it was very difficult for me to stay on the assigned throwing regimen. With about 2 and a half weeks left, I came down with a severe case of the flu and was in bed for over a week, lost about 10lbs and was unable to throw at all. Although I lost weight during that time frame, I wasn't able to do any physical exercises, especially the most important, throwing and getting my arm in shape.

When I got back to school, I didn't want to fall behind everyone else being a freshman and didn't want to lose my grasp on the closer role. I did the same exact throwing as everyone else, basically going straight into bullpens without having practically thrown any for 2months (You don't throw at the end of the fall in most college programs, you just workout).

Although I had no problems at first, over time my shoulder became increasingly sore. I ended up getting my first college win in our 3rd game versus then ranked #1 Rice and was on top of the world. The following day while doing some arm exercises with the therabands, I felt a very sharp like pull in my shoulder. I had never been hurt a day in my life so I just figured it was nothing.

Turns out, that was the last game I would pitch that season as I was diagnosed with a SLAP tear (partial labrum tear) and also tore my bicep tendon off of my labrum as well. After conferring with multiple doctors, we ultimately tied it back to trying to ramp it up to quickly coming back without any prior build up. To this day I still wonder what would have happened if I stayed at school that winter break and was able to do the throwing program.

As for this injury, it's not a rotator cuff where you lose the strength in your shoulder. You need to have them stabilize the labrum by re-attaching it and then letting it heal. From there, it's all about building up the range of motion. It's an agonizing road but at the same time I feel pretty confident if he's dedicated and with the Yankees rehab staff, he should come back, but then again everyone heals differently and you need a strong work ethic to come back from ANY type of surgery.

Thats my story and it seems quite eerily similiar to what we heard about Pineda coming into camp.

rappa wrote:This is truly upsetting but it is definitely due to him coming to camp out of shape and odds are didn't throw much coming in to camp. I even have the experience to prove it:

Long story short, I was drafted out of HS, didn't sign and went on to play D1 Baseball. Was anointed closer after a great fall and I was consistent 92-94 out of the pen. Over the winter, I went home and worked out vigorously and but due to being in the northeast, it was very difficult for me to stay on the assigned throwing regimen. With about 2 and a half weeks left, I came down with a severe case of the flu and was in bed for over a week, lost about 10lbs and was unable to throw at all. Although I lost weight during that time frame, I wasn't able to do any physical exercises, especially the most important, throwing and getting my arm in shape.

When I got back to school, I didn't want to fall behind everyone else being a freshman and didn't want to lose my grasp on the closer role. I did the same exact throwing as everyone else, basically going straight into bullpens without having practically thrown any for 2months (You don't throw at the end of the fall in most college programs, you just workout).

Although I had no problems at first, over time my shoulder became increasingly sore. I ended up getting my first college win in our 3rd game versus then ranked #1 Rice and was on top of the world. The following day while doing some arm exercises with the therabands, I felt a very sharp like pull in my shoulder. I had never been hurt a day in my life so I just figured it was nothing.

Turns out, that was the last game I would pitch that season as I was diagnosed with a SLAP tear (partial labrum tear) and also tore my bicep tendon off of my labrum as well. After conferring with multiple doctors, we ultimately tied it back to trying to ramp it up to quickly coming back without any prior build up. To this day I still wonder what would have happened if I stayed at school that winter break and was able to do the throwing program.

As for this injury, it's not a rotator cuff where you lose the strength in your shoulder. You need to have them stabilize the labrum by re-attaching it and then letting it heal. From there, it's all about building up the range of motion. It's an agonizing road but at the same time I feel pretty confident if he's dedicated and with the Yankees rehab staff, he should come back, but then again everyone heals differently and you need a strong work ethic to come back from ANY type of surgery.

Thats my story and it seems quite eerily similiar to what we heard about Pineda coming into camp.

damn that sucks

you know I have really bad arm injury that its time for me to get checked out...my shoulder hurts and the pain extends down my tricepts....weight lifting injury i think

ive given it 4 months, hasnt gotten better at all

damedash09 wrote:anybody think we should go after oswalt (not sure if he wants to pitch here) or bad idea

I love how the M's GM was surprised. Any time a kid is thrown out there, you see power pitcher's life span shortened. You'll find exceptions BUT do you want to risk one of your most prized blue chips?

Oswalt is a good short term plan. 1-year blank check.

damedash09 wrote:anybody think we should go after oswalt (not sure if he wants to pitch here) or bad idea

Couldn't really hurt. Theres not many other options right now for them.

there is hope from schilling

http://espn.go.com/new-york/mlb/story/_ ... etter-ever

he says its all about the work ethic

considering pineada came into camp overweight does he have the ethic to beat this?

No.

i don't even follow baseball like that anymore and even i thought that was a stupid ass trade.