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Joba role has been minimized, phil hughes belongs in the NL

both are coming on free agency and with the 189M mandate, probably goners

pineada can replace hughes in the rotation this year

ship em off to a win now team like ATL who needs pitching....start stocking the farm

I agree, I don't think other teams are anxious to help us though, seems Cash-man can't find the deals.

I think the bigger problem is ownership over-riding Cashman. We saw that with the Soriano trade, the A-Rod signing and other moves. Outside of the odd exception (such as signing Ichiro), it seems that Cashman is right more often than not, and the owners are wrong. I think it's a bit unfair that Cashman cops so much abuse for the state of the team when it's seeming more and more obvious that ownership voids a lot of the moves he wants to make. I honestly think a change of ownership would help this team a lot. If we can find someone who can afford to own this team and pay players, while also letting Cashman do his job, I think this team will turn right around.

Letting Cashman do his job? Let's see...

30M + bidding cost to sign Kei Igawa who was Cashman's answer to Dice-K. Carl Pavano whom Cashman was STILL flirting with bringing him back. AJ Burnett. Sergio Mitre.

Is Michael Pineda going to pitch again this season or will he be absent for his SECOND season as a Yankee?

The farm system has been Cashman's primary responsibility, it's been full of busts for the past 6-7 seasons.

IF Cashman was doing his job, you would NOT be seeing the front office putting their hands in his bushes but the fact is, he's NOT good at evaluating talent. He is NOT a baseball man. He's a money man.

I don't know if I would go judge cashman just based on those moves. Igawa and Pavano happened so long ago. If I have to do it again, I would still trade Montero for Pineda. Cashman did have several solid veteran signings over the past couple of years (ibanez and russell martin)

Cashman can conveniently balk at Rafael Soriano and A-Rod but he's the one who outbid the Sawx for Mark Teixiera who may be ANOTHER dead weight contract and suspicious with all the injuries and huge drop in Avg and production yes?

We'll see if it was wise re-signing CC to that big of a contract.

And let's NOT forget Cashman and Levine were the ones giving Jeter a hard time because of ONE bad season. THAT'S when the Yankees decided to use the "responsibility" card after all the money wasted.

Yea, you can give Cashman credit for all these cheap signings, it has NOT made the Yankees better than Detroit. Barely better than the O's.

Is THAT a good job? I dunno. The Sawx had NO problems dumping Crawford's bad contract, trading A-Gone for prospects, and re-shuffling their team in a very short period of time.

Why are the Yankees bothering a season full of misfortune of adding more players that have very little value in a lost season?

I'm LOVING this season because its exposing the Yankees farm system, the inability to make trades, waiting TOO long to trade Hughes, Joba, Granderson, and other talents to restock the farm...and MOST of all, another pitcher who doesn't want to pitch in NYC (Pineda aka Pavano II).

We still in it. I seen worse. If we start getting healthy who knows....

Dr. Detfink wrote:I'm LOVING this season because its exposing the Yankees farm system, the inability to make trades, waiting TOO long to trade Hughes, Joba, Granderson, and other talents to restock the farm...and MOST of all, another pitcher who doesn't want to pitch in NYC (Pineda aka Pavano II).

Just wait until next year, its only getting worse.

That's fine. As a Yankee fan, I accept those terms on the condition that management does NOT 180 on the statement made at the beginning of the season. Before the season began, Hal Steinbrenner came on the Michael Kay show can was chest thumping lowering the payroll and making the youth "Nova, Hughes" accountable for being the difference makers.

When the YES network ratings plummeted, suddenly front office was like, "Waitaminute, we didn't sign up for this!!!!"

Don't get me wrong, it's a MIRACLE this line up is over .500. GIVE Joe Girardi the manager of the year award.

That said, why are the Yankees adding to a payroll next season?

There was never a better excuse to tank, dump expiring contracts, and rebuild.

NOPE.

I'm with Detfink.

no offers for hughes

thats just pathetic

Teams know the Yanks are just going to let him walk at the end of the year, why trade prospects for him when they can just sign him in 4 months...

I never said Cashman was perfect. He isn't. My point was more that he shouldn't cop the blame for EVERY bad move the team has made, when several of them were not his choice. By all means, blame him for the ones that were his call.

Vides990 wrote:Teams know the Yanks are just going to let him walk at the end of the year, why trade prospects for him when they can just sign him in 4 months...

Yep, they know that the Yanks won't offer Hughes arbitration and risk Hughes accepting it. So not even any compensatory pick in the supplemental round. Theyll basically end up losing him for nothing.

both ownership and cashman are to blame, they are both terrible

the farm sucks
they cant draft...killer Bs = killer busts
they cant develop the talent (joba hughes), or they dont know how to develop talent (look at clippard now)
they got cheap at wrong time and missed out on puig darvish chapman cespedes etc
i mean they got cheap and didnt even keep ibanez whose on a tear!
now left with a rag tag team with over the hill veterans with no talent infusion...just pathetic

this team needs a new owner asap

moocow007 wrote:

Vides990 wrote:Teams know the Yanks are just going to let him walk at the end of the year, why trade prospects for him when they can just sign him in 4 months...

Yep, they know that the Yanks won't offer Hughes arbitration and risk Hughes accepting it. So not even any compensatory pick in the supplemental round. Theyll basically end up losing him for nothing.

but didnt stop the mets trading and getting something for beltran?

ccvle wrote:

moocow007 wrote:

Vides990 wrote:Teams know the Yanks are just going to let him walk at the end of the year, why trade prospects for him when they can just sign him in 4 months...

Yep, they know that the Yanks won't offer Hughes arbitration and risk Hughes accepting it. So not even any compensatory pick in the supplemental round. Theyll basically end up losing him for nothing.

but didnt stop the mets trading and getting something for beltran?

It's easier to trade for one of the best Cf in the game ( at the time) having a good year then to trade for a solid pitcher having a down year