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NEW YORK -- After feeling being burned by Alex Rodriguez's current 10-year deal, New York Yankees owner Hal Steinbrenner vowed he wouldn't give free agent Robinson Cano a contract that runs a decade.

In initial talks with the Yankees, sources said Cano asked for a 10-year deal in excess of $300 million.

"I don't feel this organization is ready to do something like that," Steinbrenner said Tuesday on ESPN New York 98.7 FM's 'Michael Kay Show.' "No, I do not.

Steinbrenner people said Tuesday the team's "serious goal" is to have the payroll fall beneath the $189 million threshold to have their luxury tax rate significantly reduced.

get ready for a 70 win team next year.

team needs new FO and owner

Getting below the 189 mill line is an excellent goal. Sacrificing a season is worth it in the long run.

The Yankees didn't sacrifice a season though. They had every excuse to tank and get a top pick. Instead they missed the wild card by 2 games. So the Yankees don't have a top pick, never mind the front office can't draft to save their lives.

So sacrifice one year? Ask the Pirates and Royals how long tanking takes to build a decent club without free agent signings? Pretty hard. Yanks would have to sacrifice 20 yrs.

Bean counter Hal is a cheap skate but that much losing is going to really hurt the Yankees.

$189 over 6 yrs sounds about right. Ideally $150 over 4 yrs but that's not happening.

Dr. Detfink wrote:The Yankees didn't sacrifice a season though.

I'm talking about next season......

Dr. Detfink wrote:$189 over 6 yrs sounds about right. Ideally $150 over 4 yrs but that's not happening.

6 years, 189 for Cano? 30 Mil per Year? Are you mad, thats a horrible deal....
5 years 120 sounds right to me, I'd be fine with 6 years 150, but not a penny more.

What are you basing your numbers by? The market doesn't favor the Yankees. Plus they don't have the youth or talent. The market, thanks to the Angels has tragically screwed things up. So you can say till you are blue in the face about those numbers but fact is, yanks have ZERO leverage.

Cano knows there's no one on the Yanks who is up and coming that is going to shine.

Name me a team that's offering 30 mil a year? Ha, you're crazy. Look for a 5 yr 140 mil deal from the Yanks.

The problem has been the development, we've had above average talent that has flopped. They've come up significantly underdeveloped and it's about time there is some change. Mark Newman needs to go and a huge shake needs to occur because what's going on, is obviously not working.

Damon Oppenheimer has been a very good judge of talent and could/would possibly be a GM candidate in a lot of places. When you take his draft picks, which aren't always full of recognized names but typically high ceiling, then add in our signings in Latin America, we've had a good amount of high ceiling talent that just didn't materialize. Jeez, look at Joba, Hughes, Montero, Kennedy, Brackman, etc. We had some high level talent that just amounted to NOTHING.That's the department where heads need to roll. Sorry Mark, you've been here too long and need to be replaced.

I can see the Yankees offering Granderson that qualifying offer and him turning it down to get a multi-year deal. If that's the case, the Yanks can either use that pick or try and sign a player attached to compensation as well. I think Beltran is a good target, he can play the OF and DH and would CRUSH left field at Yankee Stadium.

I see us looking at the guy Tanaka from Japan this year and extend Kuroda the qualifying offer. If he takes it, great 1 more year. If not, hopefully we get draft picks for him too. Tanaka is in the Darvish mold, with very similiar stuff and numbers.

The goal to get under 189$ million is not because we are cheap but because right now we pay 50% on every dollar over the cap. If we get below $189 for one season, we would only pay 10% on every dollar over the cap. It's a significant amount of money and I don't see why people find it crazy to do so. It's not like it's a 189cap forever, it's a one year hurdle for the betterment of the future squads.

Dr. Detfink wrote:What are you basing your numbers by? The market doesn't favor the Yankees. Plus they don't have the youth or talent. The market, thanks to the Angels has tragically screwed things up. So you can say till you are blue in the face about those numbers but fact is, yanks have ZERO leverage.

Cano knows there's no one on the Yanks who is up and coming that is going to shine.

What are you basing your numbers on?
Pedroia got 7 years 100 mill, thats how I've come up with my guesstimates. I don't want to see a 7 year deal for Cano (though it wouldnt surprise me if the Yank went there) which is why I propose my 5 and 6 yr options with a much higher salary then Pedroia got. While Cano is better then Pedroia, he's not 200% better....

rappa wrote:The goal to get under 189$ million is not because we are cheap but because right now we pay 50% on every dollar over the cap. If we get below $189 for one season, we would only pay 10% on every dollar over the cap. It's a significant amount of money and I don't see why people find it crazy to do so. It's not like it's a 189cap forever, it's a one year hurdle for the betterment of the future squads.

Exactly yes. And if Cano has to depart for it to happen, so be it. Also, if we fail to get below 189 under the new CBA rules that 50% tax rate I believe goes up to something like 75%. No matter how rich the owner, its asinine to waste money like that.

Vides990 wrote:What are you basing your numbers on?
Pedroia got 7 years 100 mill, thats how I've come up with my guesstimates. I don't want to see a 7 year deal for Cano (though it wouldnt surprise me if the Yank went there) which is why I propose my 5 and 6 yr options with a much higher salary then Pedroia got. While Cano is better then Pedroia, he's not 200% better....

Pedroia, lack of size 5'8" is not going to give him much more in the open market. He's NOT on Cano's level especially on defense.

Plus, the ONLY reason why Boston gave him that coin was forcing Big Papi to take a shorter and less lucrative deal. Shockingly no one has ever tried to take Big Papi from Boston.

The Yankees do NOT have that kind of leverage. This is the organization that established, stars should be paid like stars going back to Babe Ruth.

LOL I never said Pedroi was as good as Cano I even said that in my post. I said IF Pedroia is worth 7/100 then Cano sure as **** is not worth 10 yrs 300, because guess what he's not 200% better then Pedroia. Cano is much closer in talent to Pedroia then he is Arod which is the kind of contract he's looking for.

We just watched a Red Sox team without high caliber cost players win the WS, the Yankees do not have to pay 30 mill per yr to Cano to win (infact if they do pay him, they'll just lose more) and the idea he has "leverage" bc the Yanks are rebuilding is asinine. You don't just pay players for the sake of paying them, they need to be some what worth their contract. IMO Cano will be on another team next yr.

Really? Who on the FA can the Yankees replace Cano with? Anyone in the farm system?

Ask rebuilding teams like the Royals just how automatic is having the TOP 5 picks in every MLB draft for the last 20 years working out? That's not asinine. It's Reality.

You gotta look at it from Cano's perspective. Would the best employee take a paycut from Apple? Trump? Buffet? or go to their competitor? Especially when you KNOW they have ridiculous amount of money stored up. That's the business side of this equation. The Yankees are suddenly acting like sisters of the poor when in fact, they made their beds long before Cano.

Now, you mentioned the Boston Red Sox. Well, keep in mind then GM Theo Epstein didn't wait around after those contracts: A-Gone, Crawford, V-Mart, Lackey blew up in his face. He bolted to Chicago.

Today's BoSawx GM Kevin Kernan wasted NO time dumping most of those contracts and turned around the franchise in no time at all. Keep in mind, none of those guys were Boston farm club that grew with the team but overpaid imports. THAT'S the difference. He knew none of those guys would feel as connected or comfortable with the club.

I think Cashman TRIED that methodology by trading for Vernon Wells. Adding Mark Reynolds, Lyle Overbay, and Youkalis....None of it worked out over the long haul.

Cano had head and above better numbers and will do so should he return as a Yankee. Right now, there's NO ONE the Yanks can attain who can give Cano a run for his money offensively.

I agree with basically all your points on why keeping Cano is a big deal, but that doesn't mean I believe we need to bend and cater to his demands. The only way to turn this franchise around is by making wise financial moves and paying Cano anything more then 20 mill per year is way too much, unless its a short term deal. If we have to suck next year because Cano won't take a 20 mill per yr contract (which is a raise over his current deal) then so be bit.