Yanks: Day Late and Dollar Short Strategy

thebuzzardman · Post #1 » by **thebuzzardman** » Tue Dec 31, 2013 3:06 am

A little late to the party, don't you think?

Never thought I'd see the day the Yanks struggle to play catch up and be so badly out maneuvered by other teams. Now they claim to "want to go all in"; I guess after all the good prospects are gone.

http://www.sbnation.com/mlb/2013/12/30/ ... ft-rangers

Vides990 · Post #2 » by **Vides990** » Tue Dec 31, 2013 1:45 pm

I'll believe it when I see it......

Dr. Detfink · Post #3 » by **Dr. Detfink** » Wed Jan 1, 2014 4:00 pm

It's a reflection of young and inexperienced ownership, compiled by the stupidity of a front office that can't back up what it boasts.

I don't have a problem with the front office trying to reduce the payroll, talking tough to Cano or any superstar but...BUT...the front office and ownership should be investing in the top scouts, top minor league coaches, and evaluators ESPECIALLY since the GM was not a former player nor scout. He's a business/entertainment lawyer.

The arrogance of the current ownership truly believed that players will do whatever it takes to remain a Yankee. Sorry, Yanks are no longer the only franchise shoveling top dollar.

Sadly the front office and ownership had to learn their lesson the hard way after they signed Lyle Overbay & the replacements...and were stunned the TV ratings had plummeted.

And now the Yanks have to overspend to be competitive again.

thebuzzardman · Post #4 » by **thebuzzardman** » Wed Jan 1, 2014 5:51 pm

What kills me about this?

It's been apparent for about 3/4 years the Yankee farm system is not "well stocked". Why the delay in doing this? It's just money, and really in the "chump change" category for the yanks, even with the "penalty"

It's a bit "high stakes gambling" in that you invest 20 million dollars amongst, I don't know, 8 players, but if one pans out at "above major league average", I think the money would be in a sense recouped by having that player cost controlled for, what, 3\4 years? If player somehow winds up elite, no brainer it saves money. If two players pan out, even as "average", seems like it would pay, and of course there is the benefit of potentially stocking the farm system with prospects. Also, the Yanks scouting in this area was generally better, though maybe that's in the past.

Also, retroactively annoying is the fact that this "penalty", how many years old is it? I recall when it was being proposed, as there was feeling "big market teams" (whatever the f*ck that means anymore with some many teams having rich owners throwing money around) had an advantage, that I felt the Yanks, in last year or two before the penalty should have thrown major cash around Latin America, before the penalty kicked in.

Basically, this team and it's GM shows stunning lack of planning and reacting to known events.

Can't have been surprise revenue sharing would lead you small market teams having $ to lock up talent, particularly pitching

Can't have been surprise certain teams would wind up with wealthy owners\owner groups increasing price of top players

This penatly for signing young players in LatAm not a mystery

While the number of players defecting from Cuba *MAY* have been a surprise, once it happened, it was a golden opportunity to address issues caused by deficient farm system (should not have been a surprise) and a way to lock up cheaper, younger players, a necessary thing based on Yanks own desire to eventually reduce payroll, and the repercussions of revenue sharing on player movement and the influx of more rich owners and it's additonal impact on player availabilty and price. It's like the whole league changed and the yankees\cashman sat there slackjawed with one thumb up the ass.

And even if some of it wasn't predictable (which I highly doubt), certainly the behavior of the Dodgers, Angels, Rangers, Tigers and others was pretty obvious after a year.

Cashman sucks, and Yankees for past 3 years have been on 1 year plans while other teams have looked 3-5 seasons out.

Pharmcat · Post #5 » by **Pharmcat** » Fri Jan 3, 2014 3:26 am

thebuzzardman wrote:What kills me about this?

It's been apparent for about 3/4 years the Yankee farm system is not "well stocked". Why the delay in doing this? It's just money, and really in the "chump change" category for the yanks, even with the "penalty"

It's a bit "high stakes gambling" in that you invest 20 million dollars amongst, I don't know, 8 players, but if one pans out at "above major league average", I think the money would be in a sense recouped by having that player cost controlled for, what, 3\4 years? If player somehow winds up elite, no brainer it saves money. If two players pan out, even as "average", seems like it would pay, and of course there is the benefit of potentially stocking the farm system with prospects. Also, the Yanks scouting in this area was generally better, though maybe that's in the past.

Also, retroactively annoying is the fact that this "penalty", how many years old is it? I recall when it was being proposed, as there was feeling "big market teams" (whatever the f*ck that means anymore with some many teams having rich owners throwing money around) had an advantage, that I felt the Yanks, in last year or two before the penalty should have thrown major cash around Latin America, before the penalty kicked in.

Basically, this team and it's GM shows stunning lack of planning and reacting to known events.

Can't have been surprise revenue sharing would lead you small market teams having $ to lock up talent, particularly pitching

Can't have been surprise certain teams would wind up with wealthy owners\owner groups increasing price of top players

This penatly for signing young players in LatAm not a mystery

While the number of players defecting from Cuba *MAY* have been a surprise, once it happened, it was a golden opportunity to address issues caused by deficient farm system (should not have been a surprise) and a way to lock up cheaper, younger players, a necessary thing based on Yanks own desire to eventually reduce payroll, and the repercussions of revenue sharing on player movement and the influx of more rich owners and it's additonal impact on player availabilty and price. It's like the whole league changed and the yankees\cashman sat there slackjawed with one thumb up the ass.

And even if some of it wasn't predictable (which I highly doubt), certainly the behavior of the Dodgers, Angels, Rangers, Tigers and others was pretty obvious after a year.

Cashman sucks, and Yankees for past 3 years have been on 1 year plans while other teams have looked 3-5 seasons out.

great post

Pharmcat · Post #6 » by **Pharmcat** » Fri Jan 3, 2014 3:27 am

the sad thing is no one really got canned for the debacle in the farm system, its like no one even cares

regardless, the lack of talent couldve been offset by IFA signings....puig, chapman, darvish, cespedes, etc....these guys were worth the money, a lot better than giving guys who cant play anymore big money (youkilis)