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no seriously

No I am FURIOUS.

Torre strikes again.

Pinch running for Giambi was (Please Use More Appropriate Word), he pulled andy too early. Mismanaged the bullpen.

WTF is up with Mo.

Also losing Jorge was tough because he has nice chemistry with our pitchers. We needed this win.

Torre fails in the big game again.

you can blame it all on joe. what was the lead when mariano came in?

Did Mariano age too much in one season?

Bernie would've put up a better fight than Kevin Thompson.

Also where the hell is Farnsworth? Why are we pitching Vizcaino a day after he got rocked.

GAHHH. Embarassing loss on national TV. The next 2 ae going to be tough with the garbage we bringing to the mound, plus our mediocre bullpen now.

Point is, if Mo can't get his **** together, our Bullpen is useless. Hes the glue, the backbone, and is supposed to pick up the slack when others cant step up.

- pinch hitting for Giambi
- Pettitte should've been in for all of the seventh
- had Britton, Farnsworth, Bruney, and Henn available, but threw in Myers and Vizcaino
- Put Mo in the eighth (What was up with his location though?)

And like I asked in the other thread, Phelps would've pinch hitted for Nieves, who would've caught in the bottom of the inning if we were to score?

Mariano isn't himself right now....so asking him to go 1 and 2/3 innings against a team that has had his number in the past is asking for a lot. Second, do we not have like at least two other pitchers we're comfortable in to get us two outs? Henn? Bruney? The whole Mike Myers thing was just a fiasco in itself.

PacersRule07 wrote:Mariano isn't himself right now....so asking him to go 1 and 2/3 innings against a team that has had his number in the past is asking for a lot. Second, do we not have like at least two other pitchers we're comfortable in to get us two outs? Henn? Bruney? The whole Mike Myers thing was just a fiasco in itself.

Uhmm asking Mo to come in in the 8th with a 3 run lead was so stupid, especially with Farnsworth and Henn in the pen. It's as if Torre doesn't want to have to think about the arms he has in the pen and just relies on mo.

HE DIDNT EVEN HAVE ANYONE BUT MO WARMING UP IN THE 8TH.

What is that crap? Mo is the closer. He shouldn't be up warming up in the 8th when you have a 4 run lead. Use your long men and your set up men.

Gah im so MAD

Rich Rane wrote:- pinch hitting for Giambi
- Pettitte should've been in for all of the seventh
- had Britton, Farnsworth, Bruney, and Henn available, but threw in Myers and Vizcaino
- Put Mo in the eighth (What was up with his location though?)

And like I asked in the other thread, Phelps would've pinch hitted for Nieves, who would've caught in the bottom of the inning if we were to score?

who the hell cares about catching if you cant even tie the game?

PacersRule07 wrote:Mariano isn't himself right now....so asking him to go 1 and 2/3 innings against a team that has had his number in the past is asking for a lot. Second, do we not have like at least two other pitchers we're comfortable in to get us two outs? Henn? Bruney? The whole Mike Myers thing was just a fiasco in itself.

Just stop. Boston does not have his number. They've just seen him the most.

No team has Mo's number. Individual players have his number, but not a team.

Tony Pena would've caught. Or they woulda pulled Girardi out of the YES booth

I'm not saying Boston owns Rivera because they don't, but Rivera struggles going up against Boston more than any other team, and they have had his number on a couple of occasions in the past. This is probably because they've seen him more and in big game spots than any team, but still...
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Isn't Cairo our emergency 3rd catcher?

the way mariano pitched today, it didnt matter if it was 8th or 9th.

PacersRule07 wrote:I'm not saying Boston owns Rivera because they don't, but Rivera struggles going up against Boston more than any other team, and they have had his number on a couple of occasions in the past. This is probably because they've seen him more and in big game spots than any team, but still...

No, that is not true at all. I'd like numbers to back up your assertion.

The fact is, we remember more when Mo blows saves against Boston then against any other team. Because they are our main rivals and our division rivals. But Rivera owns the Red Sox just like he does everybody else.

im pretty sure mariano's numbers against the sox arent as good as other teams in the past 3-5years.

So far this season, he's been the one getting owned. He has an ERA over 8.

I'm not going to present stats because it's unnecessary as I know what I've seen in the past couple of years.

PacersRule07 wrote:I'm not going to present stats because it's unnecessary as I know what I've seen in the past couple of years.

So, basically what you aresaying is that you have no way of proving what you said. I'll prove what I said... with FACTS. Not opinion, but facts.

These are his career ERAs:

Boston - 82 IP - 2.61 ERA
Baltimore - 86 IP - 3.23 ERA
Cleveland - 45 IP - 3.35 ERA
Angels - 45 IP - 3.94 ERA

But who cares about facts nowadays?

bring up the save/blew save and see what you got.

ccvle wrote:bring up the save/blew save and see what you got.

Everybody knows blown saves is a horrible statistic. It's not accurate at all. Mariano got a **** blown save for letting a sacrifice fly in that he inherited from Gordon in Game 5 of the 2004 ALCS. It's not an accurate statistic at all.

Mo, in his 10 year career, has 5 losses against Boston. 5 losses. In 74 appearances, he has saved 35 games, won 10 and lost 5.

This ripping on Mo is insane. Just insane. Some of you call yourself Yankee fans?