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It's time. Even in the midst of absolutely sucking for 2 weeks, we don't bunt, we don't steal, we don't hit and run. God **** forbid Torre would do something different once in a while to even ATTEMPT to get something going for some guys. He is absolutely horrendous, how anybody could have wanted him as the manager of this team after the 04 ALCS is beyond me.

Everybody gets on the players for ''not playing hard'' but you all fail to realize that they are following the example that Clueless Joe sets for them. Teams often take on the personality of their manager, and we need one with a pair of balls, a voicebox, and an attitude. Get this piece of **** out of my town NOW.

I disagree. Give him till the end of the year. We'll evaluate the manager situation at the end of the year. Firing Torre in the middle of the season does nothing good at all. The problem is our hitting and we showed signs of breaking out of the slump today.

cmaff051 wrote:I disagree. Give him till the end of the year. We'll evaluate the manager situation at the end of the year. Firing Torre in the middle of the season does nothing good at all. The problem is our hitting and we showed signs of breaking out of the slump today.

If you keep Joe, are you winning a World Series this season?

cmaff051 wrote:I disagree. Give him till the end of the year. We'll evaluate the manager situation at the end of the year. Firing Torre in the middle of the season does nothing good at all. The problem is our hitting and we showed signs of breaking out of the slump today.

Why evaluate the manager situation 5 months from now? The manager situation has been evaluated at the end of the last 3 seasons, if THAT doesn't say enough about it then I don't know what will. Firing Torre may not do much, but it can't hurt, the VERY least it will do is light a fire under this lame thing dubbed a baseball team...which is something that Torre will never get done himself. I'm not for firing somebody midseason, but I'm not sure I can go another day watching the same crap over and over again. Even the Mets stole 2nd and 3rd in the late innings. Did we move a runner once?

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If you keep Joe, are you winning a World Series this season?

I don't think firing Joe will automatically make us a World Series contender.

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I don't think firing Joe will automatically make us a World Series contender.

So why settle for sitting with what we have? Lets move on and at least take the risk and see what we can do from here. I think I'm just pissed that we didn't replace Torre with Sweet Lou over the offseason, and how Torre has handled the team thus far this season is bringing that out of me now.

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So why settle for sitting with what we have? Lets move on and at least take the risk and see what we can do from here. I think I'm just pissed that we didn't replace Torre with Sweet Lou over the offseason, and how Torre has handled the team thus far this season is bringing that out of me now.

You could blame Torre for the mismanagement of the bullpen in April, but you should be beyond blaming Torre for what's happened since. Torre can throw all the food tables he wants, yell at anybody he wants... whatever. If our guys don't start hitting, it doesn't matter. It's up to them.

I don't agree with firing managers during the season. Can you give me an example of when this tactic actually worked and the team actually got better?

Give Torre 81 games and evaluate him. I still say give him the full 162 games, but 81 games would be fine. 40 is just not many games to judge how good this team really is.

Did you forget that this team was 39-39 in 2005 and then went on to win 95 games? That's why I give Torre until the end of the season... give him the benefit of the doubt for all he has done for the Yankees and just give him until the end of the season.

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You could blame Torre for the mismanagement of the bullpen in April, but you should be beyond blaming Torre for what's happened since. Torre can throw all the food tables he wants, yell at anybody he wants... whatever. If our guys don't start hitting, it doesn't matter. It's up to them.

I don't agree with firing managers during the season. Can you give me an example of when this tactic actually worked and the team actually got better?

Give Torre 81 games and evaluate him. I still say give him the full 162 games, but 81 games would be fine. 40 is just not many games to judge how good this team really is.

Did you forget that this team was 39-39 in 2005 and then went on to win 95 games? That's why I give Torre until the end of the season... give him the benefit of the doubt for all he has done for the Yankees and just give him until the end of the season.

You are probably right about not firing him midseason, I'm just venting right now as I have been doing for 3 years about Torre. This will probably turn around at some point, but if/when it does, it won't be because Torre finally started making guys steal and playing hit and run. It will be because players who hit .342 last year will get out of 4 for 50 slumps, or career .310 hitters will get out of 15 for 90 slumps.

Players slump, but Torre has done nothing to help guys get out of them. That is why they have been SO prolonged...we play the same style of ball when we slump as when we are on fire, and that is absolutely terrible. In the last 10 days, we have probably had 10 different lineups. This is Torre's idea of ''getting guys going.'' Instead of playing hit and run to force them to focus on just making contact, he moves guys like Abreu from 3rd in the lineup, to 7th, to 1st, back to 6th in a matter of a week. That isn't how its done.

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You are probably right about not firing him midseason, I'm just venting right now as I have been doing for 3 years about Torre. This will probably turn around at some point, but if/when it does, it won't be because Torre finally started making guys steal and playing hit and run. It will be because players who hit .342 last year will get out of 4 for 50 slumps, or career .310 hitters will get out of 15 for 90 slumps.

Players slump, but Torre has done nothing to help guys get out of them. That is why they have been SO prolonged...we play the same style of ball when we slump as when we are on fire, and that is absolutely terrible. In the last 10 days, we have probably had 10 different lineups. This is Torre's idea of ''getting guys going.'' Instead of playing hit and run to force them to focus on just making contact, he moves guys like Abreu from 3rd in the lineup, to 7th, to 1st, back to 6th in a matter of a week. That isn't how its done.

I want Torre gone at the end of the season. I want his culture of babying his starting pitches out of this organization.

But I think firing him now does more harm than good. The press will have a field day with this and that can't be good for this team's psyche.

And this team's problems is not just with its manager, but with its roster and that falls on Brian Cashman also.

I think firing him now doesnt solve anything.

I just want him to show more passion in the dugout and chew the players who arent playing hard.But thats just not him

fire him

get Giardi

nykgeneralmanager wrote:It's time. Even in the midst of absolutely sucking for 2 weeks, we don't bunt, we don't steal, we don't hit and run. God **** forbid Torre would do something different once in a while to even ATTEMPT to get something going for some guys. He is absolutely horrendous, how anybody could have wanted him as the manager of this team after the 04 ALCS is beyond me.

Everybody gets on the players for ''not playing hard'' but you all fail to realize that they are following the example that Clueless Joe sets for them. Teams often take on the personality of their manager, and we need one with a pair of balls, a voicebox, and an attitude. Get this piece of **** out of my town NOW.

+1000

xTheHunterx wrote:I think firing him now doesnt solve anything.

I just want him to show more passion in the dugout and chew the players who arent playing hard.But thats just not him

Then keeping him won't ever solve that.

The Kandi Man Rocks wrote:fire him

get Giardi

Yeah I think it's time. Some times an old horse just has to be let out to pasture no matter how many races he has won in the past.

The only thing that firing Joe Torre during the season will do is piss off the players that support him... Jeter, Posada, AROD, Rocket ... Do Posada and Arod stick around next year of Torre gets canned? Will the rocket put all his effort into the comeback if Torre is canned?

If you want to fire Torre, you gotta blow up the team and re-knew its whole identity. The Yankees have been one way for a long time, and they aren't going to just change like that. The players have Torre's back.

come on guys...

do you honestly think managers have that big an impact on the field? if you're going to fire torre, that means you've got to blow up the team. arod must go, melky for pitching etc.

if you get rid of torre that tells everyone that no one is safe. itll be deluisional to think that this will light a fire under anyone. you guys need to get your pitching straightened out- not your 1-9 hitters. pitching pitching pitching.

gooGD wrote:come on guys...

do you honestly think managers have that big an impact on the field? if you're going to fire torre, that means you've got to blow up the team. arod must go, melky for pitching etc.

if you get rid of torre that tells everyone that no one is safe. itll be deluisional to think that this will light a fire under anyone. you guys need to get your pitching straightened out- not your 1-9 hitters. pitching pitching pitching.

BINGO !!!

the team plays w/ no urgency they have pride but no urgency , your not getting rid of all 25 players so unfortunately the coach which imo should have been fired for some time because he has the richest lineup and sits/watches them doesn't manage at all and frankly when he does he causes more losses then wins.

Myers for long relief are you kidding me ? MYERS !!? this is a guy that is used for 1 batter and is pulled, when Joe is asked why Myers doesn't pitch to more than 1 batter at a time he usually saids it's because he's a situtational pitcher, today a game you need he puts Myers in LR instead of Villone or Proctor and tomorrow's LR is DeSalvo ? he hasn't adjusted to nothing when we talk about this team not being agressive we're talking about baserunning , hit and run , bunt the guy over , sacrifice he doesn't do this, he doesn't manage anymore.

LOL...with Clemens signing with the team, there is no way IN HELL that Torre gets fired. Clemens basically said the only reason he came back was because of Torre. I bet he has something in his contract that says if Torre is gone, so he Clemens.

KnickTerp12 wrote:The only thing that firing Joe Torre during the season will do is piss off the players that support him... Jeter, Posada, AROD, Rocket ... Do Posada and Arod stick around next year of Torre gets canned? Will the rocket put all his effort into the comeback if Torre is canned?

If you want to fire Torre, you gotta blow up the team and re-knew its whole identity. The Yankees have been one way for a long time, and they aren't going to just change like that. The players have Torre's back.

Agreed. Girardi is a concern because he was a teammate with so many of these guys, and players like Clemens may not respond as well to having a young manager they played with less than 10 years ago. The fact that that young manager is reportedly a control freak just makes the situation worse, at least with a midseason change, when you're dealing with vets that complain at the slightest jostling of their routines. If you make this change with all of the vets consulted after the season, the team can ease into it knowing what they're dealing with, but for now, Torre has to stay.

The smaller, better change is the one that the organization will never do, which is bump Donny off the bench and bring in an established bench coach that will tell Torre what he needs to hear, like how he's insane for bringing in Mike Myers in the first inning of a Subway Series game. You can move him back to the bench next year to consult our new manager, ideally one with a clue on how to handle a pitching staff.

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BINGO !!!

the team plays w/ no urgency they have pride but no urgency , your not getting rid of all 25 players so unfortunately the coach which imo should have been fired for some time because he has the richest lineup and sits/watches them doesn't manage at all and frankly when he does he causes more losses then wins.

Myers for long relief are you kidding me ? MYERS !!? this is a guy that is used for 1 batter and is pulled, when Joe is asked why Myers doesn't pitch to more than 1 batter at a time he usually saids it's because he's a situtational pitcher, today a game you need he puts Myers in LR instead of Villone or Proctor and tomorrow's LR is DeSalvo ? he hasn't adjusted to nothing when we talk about this team not being agressive we're talking about baserunning , hit and run , bunt the guy over , sacrifice he doesn't do this, he doesn't manage anymore.

I thought you didn't believe in situational relievers. Anyways, I think Torre's head is about to fall off. I'd like to see all the haters try managing a team who has used 11 STARTING PITCHERS THROUGH MAY 20.