Cashman speaks...

[nykgeneralmanager]

On giving up Proctor:
"We have some nice young arms coming that we're transitioning down below. We have a lot of arms that we think are ready to take it to the next step, and fill in for what Proc was doing for us."
He also talked about Betemit's versatility to play 3rd, SS, and some 1st.

Kim Jones asked him about Torre's comments about the bullpen being fortified from depth from down below, and how everybody thinks that means Joba. Cashman said he'll see because there is Edwar, Joba, Ohlendorf, and Britton when he comes off the DL. "Time will tell if they can get the job done, but they will be given the opportunity."

Reaction to the Sox getting Gagne:
"He's a huge addition, he's been pitching well so he is going to have a nice impact for those guys. We talked to the Rangers about Gagne, but what they asked for, I could not surrender for a guy who, as good as he is, for 20 innings in the next two months it was tough to surrender the price tag they asked for from the Yankees...so we had to stand down from that price tag and move forward. I would have had to give up a guy that would be in our rotation next year or a guy that I'd have to pull out of our starting position players this year."
So that sounds like Hughes, Chamberlain, Kennedy, and Melky.

[neuroticomic2]

oy.

good job Cashman.
thats could have been scary.

[cmaff051]

Thank god Cashman is in charge and not the Tampa faction. Gagne would have been traded for Hughes and Chamberlain yesterday.

[PR07]

Cashman did the right thing.

It's just a shame that the Rangers asked for more value from us than what they asked for from the Red Sox.

[ijag23]

It almost looks like the Rangers sent Gagne to Boston just to spite Cashman for refusing to give them a good prospect.

[Pharmcat]

so let me get this straight

no pen help, couldnt get rid of farnsworth, and then on top of that we ship out one of our decent relievers for a bench player?

[nykgeneralmanager]

so let me get this straight

no pen help, couldnt get rid of farnsworth, and then on top of that we ship out one of our decent relievers for a bench player?

I'm still confused as to why you refuse to recognize Joba as being a tremendous bullpen upgrade. Girardi said it perfectly in the pregame show, saying that we already have 2 Proctors in Bruney and Farnsworth, guys that throw hard but have no idea where it is going. So plug in Joba who throws harder than Proctor, has MUCH better secondary stuff than Proctor, and can actually command his stuff. I don't know what your beef is, maybe you just have to see Joba throw a pitch to be convinced.

[Pharmcat]

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I'm still confused as to why you refuse to recognize Joba as being a tremendous bullpen upgrade. Girardi said it perfectly in the pregame show, saying that we already have 2 Proctors in Bruney and Farnsworth, guys that throw hard but have no idea where it is going. So plug in Joba who throws harder than Proctor, has MUCH better secondary stuff than Proctor, and can actually command his stuff. I don't know what your beef is, maybe you just have to see Joba throw a pitch to be convinced.

what i dont understand is the reluctance to trade any of these young pitchers

i understand joba and phil are untouchable....factor in Wang, and you got your front 3 right there.....so all the others: horne, kennedy, ohlendorf, clip will not have space in the lineup...esp if yanks sign santana.....so keeping them when they might not have any space in rotation doesnt make sense to me

[Jitpal]

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what i dont understand is the reluctance to trade any of these young pitchers

i understand joba and phil are untouchable....factor in Wang, and you got your front 3 right there.....so all the others: horne, kennedy, ohlendorf, clip will not have space in the lineup...esp if yanks sign santana.....so keeping them when they might not have any space in rotation doesnt make sense to me

Clip is on the market. Oheldorf looks like he might be going to the pen full-time. Horne and Kennedy are your 4/5. We do need 5 starters don't we? There is no guarantee that we sign Johan. What if some idiot owner offers him 40 million a year. Do you match that? Obviously an extreme example but it is possible to lose a bidding war when the other team needs it more than you. What if Johan decides he doesn't want a big market team? What if he gets injured and becomes half the pitcher he is now? So many things can happen between now and then. You can't count on getting him. -Jitpal

[cmaff051]

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what i dont understand is the reluctance to trade any of these young pitchers

i understand joba and phil are untouchable....factor in Wang, and you got your front 3 right there.....so all the others: horne, kennedy, ohlendorf, clip will not have space in the lineup...esp if yanks sign santana.....so keeping them when they might not have any space in rotation doesnt make sense to me

It's a number's game. The more you have, the better, because all of them are not going to pan out.

[Pharmcat]

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Clip is on the market. Oheldorf looks like he might be going to the pen full-time. Horne and Kennedy are your 4/5. We do need 5 starters don't we? There is no guarantee that we sign Johan. What if some idiot owner offers him 40 million a year. Do you match that? Obviously an extreme example but it is possible to lose a bidding war when the other team needs it more than you. What if Johan decides he doesn't want a big market team? What if he gets injured and becomes half the pitcher he is now? So many things can happen between now and then. You can't count on getting him. -Jitpal

what if Joba cant adjust to pen duties
what if britton cant get healthy
what if edwar cant stop walking people?

what if questions are useless

some of these prospects are really being overrated, and its forcing us to convert startes into relievers to cover our shortcomings in the pen
and on top of that, we trade one our few decent reliever for a bench player, while the reliever who showed up posada still pitches for us

[cmaff051]

What if Proctor can't get any important outs down the stretch? It's not like Proctor is Mariano Rivera.

[nykgeneralmanager]

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what i dont understand is the reluctance to trade any of these young pitchers

i understand joba and phil are untouchable....factor in Wang, and you got your front 3 right there.....so all the others: horne, kennedy, ohlendorf, clip will not have space in the lineup...esp if yanks sign santana.....so keeping them when they might not have any space in rotation doesnt make sense to me

Nobody ever said that Clippard and Ohlendorf were untouchable, they're just not the type of guys teams are looking to acquire from us because there are so many better ones in our system. You simply don't throw away potential starters, even if they aren't aces, for a 2 month rental that will pitch 20 innings. People like you are only so upset because he went to Boston. Had Gagne gone to Milwaukee, you'd be thrilled that Cashman held onto Kennedy and Horne.

The whole point of keeping these guys is so that you don't HAVE TO go give Santana $30 mil a year. That gives you more money to put into the draft and international free agent market (thus building an even STRONGER system), and to re-sign guys like Cano, Wang, Melky, ARod sooner than later. It may be the Yankees, but that doesn't mean there is no cost efficiency. They've learned a lot in the past 5 years or so.

[nykgeneralmanager]

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what if Joba cant adjust to pen duties
what if britton cant get healthy
what if edwar cant stop walking people?

what if questions are useless

some of these prospects are really being overrated, and its forcing us to convert startes into relievers to cover our shortcomings in the pen
and on top of that, we trade one our few decent reliever for a bench player, while the reliever who showed up posada still pitches for us

Okay, so you tell me, what is it about Kennedy and Horne that YOU feel makes them overrated? Because I and others have stated a number of times here why they are excellent prospects.

[Pharmcat]

What if Proctor can't get any important outs down the stretch? It's not like Proctor is Mariano Rivera.

what if horne and kenney dont pan out

and then the yanks blow a lead late in the season that costs them the WC cuz their pen couldnt hold the lead


these what ifs get old real fast

[cmaff051]

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what if horne and kenney dont pan out

and then the yanks blow a lead late in the season that costs them the WC cuz their pen couldnt hold the lead


these what ifs get old real fast

Your act gets old. Why don't you go watch some of these guys before you deem that they are not able to hold a candle to the great Scott Proctor?

[Pharmcat]

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Okay, so you tell me, what is it about Kennedy and Horne that YOU feel makes them overrated? Because I and others have stated a number of times here why they are excellent prospects.

they arent 1s or 2s

Joba, Hughes, and Wang is the future 3

then you have Horne, Kennedy, Ohlendorph, Betances, Marquez, with Sanchez coming back, Clippard, + rasner and karstens.......thats more than 5 me thinks...id be more than comfortable to trade some of these for pen help

[Pharmcat]

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Your act gets old. Why don't you go watch some of these guys before you deem that they are not able to hold a candle to the great Scott Proctor?

i cant fathom that proctor has been traded for a bench player meanwhile the cat who showed up posada sticks around ....thats a travesty

[cmaff051]

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i cant fathom that proctor has been traded for a bench player meanwhile the cat who showed up posada sticks around ....thats a travesty

You ever think it had something to do with Proctor having more value than Farnsworth because he was the better pitcher? You ever think it had something to do with the fact that Proctor is getting paid around $500,000 this year and Farnsworth is getting paid $5.5 million? Of course you didn't, that would cause you to have to look stuff up and actually think critically. I guess that's too much to ask.

[nykgeneralmanager]

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they arent 1s or 2s

Joba, Hughes, and Wang is the future 3

then you have Horne, Kennedy, Ohlendorph, Betances, Marquez, with Sanchez coming back, Clippard, + rasner and karstens.......thats more than 5 me thinks...id be more than comfortable to trade some of these for pen help

Of that list, the only one that had value for bullpen help was Ian Kennedy. His ceiling is a #2 pitcher, no way in hell would I deal him for any type of reliever that was on the market, that would be the most foolish thing Cashman could do.