Is it really the yanks that struggle?

[TKF]

Watching the cleveland/ Boston series, I watch Sebathia get rocked and I am watching carmona struggle. Now I know we are a better hitting team than boston, but I really think that every team in baseball, raises their game up a notch to beat the yanks. I think they play their best baseball in postseason to beat us. I mean can you explain the performance by beckett? The HR in that series from a marlins player that barely hit any all year? NO name angels hitters looking like Rod carew, the list goes on and on. Now I am not saying that the yankees haven't contributed to their demise, but I think over the years, teams have just played over their heads to beat the yanks, I mean their return to less than stellar play after they play us is a telling sign. I just think that teams love to beat the yankees, they love to hate us and of late, their have been saving their games, their A-games for the yankees...

Just venting after watching carmona tonight. I mean he is nothing close to the pitcher he was last week. I mean last week was probably the best he has and will ever pitch in his entire career...

[Pharmcat]

i think its the combo of the teams out there to get the big fish + the fact the yanks tighten up during the playoffs

the pressure of expectations gets to this team every year and they choke.

[rappa]

well look at rafae perez, they sox just went back to back off this supposed amazing reliever

[KnickTerp12]

LOL Eric Wedge is (Please Use More Appropriate Word). Leaves his lefty out there to get out the Sox 2 best rightys.

Sucks being a Yankee fan. They can't do anything wrong against us and now they are playing like a team that's never played baseball. GRRR

[SugeKnight718]

this is why a-rod gets blasted on the way he does. Don't get me wrong, I hope he comes back and all, but watching A-Rod and Manny and even Lowell come thru in big spots, you can only think to yourself, being the highest paid player, he should be able to do what they are doing, plus more. This is getting me to dislike the guy more and more.

[KnickTerp12]

I'm in shock at how stupid Eric Wedge was in this game. He single-handedly gave boston the lead. You don't pull your starter to bring in a LEFTY to face 1 lefty and 2 righties. GAHHHHHHHHHH

[TKF]

this is why a-rod gets blasted on the way he does. Don't get me wrong, I hope he comes back and all, but watching A-Rod and Manny and even Lowell come thru in big spots, you can only think to yourself, being the highest paid player, he should be able to do what they are doing, plus more. This is getting me to dislike the guy more and more.

yea, but it seems as if A-rod gets pitched a lot tougher.... really, I think that..

[KnickTerp12]

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yea, but it seems as if A-rod gets pitched a lot tougher.... really, I think that..

Pitchers and all players raise their game against the Yankees. Year after year there is no explanation for it

[SugeKnight718]

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yea, but it seems as if A-rod gets pitched a lot tougher.... really, I think that..

I don't wanna hear that. A pitch is a pitch. You trying to tell me no one cares about pitching to the BoSox, and only pitch to A-ROD. Give me a break. There is a reason why David Ortiz is who he is. There is a reason Manny Ramirez is who he is. There is no reason the A-Rod is this feared hitter because when it counts, he's putting up 9th batter in the line-up kind of numbers instead of what he's SUPPOSE to be putting up.

[TKF]

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I don't wanna hear that. A pitch is a pitch. You trying to tell me no one cares about pitching to the BoSox, and only pitch to A-ROD. Give me a break. There is a reason why David Ortiz is who he is. There is a reason Manny Ramirez is who he is. There is no reason the A-Rod is this feared hitter because when it counts, he's putting up 9th batter in the line-up kind of numbers instead of what he's SUPPOSE to be putting up.

ortiz and manny are not considered baseball's best players,manny and ortiz don't make 25 mil a year either. Again, it seems as if pitchers and others raise their games vs the likes of the yanks and A-rod... Sorry if you don't want to hear it, but it is true... A pitch is not always a pitch....

[mets87]

the idea behind this thread is absolutely laughable.

[TKF]

the idea behind this thread is absolutely laughable.

and so are the mets and their colossal collapse....

[Pharmcat]

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and so are the mets and their colossal collapse....

ouch

[gooGD]

Watching the cleveland/ Boston series, I watch Sebathia get rocked and I am watching carmona struggle. Now I know we are a better hitting team than boston, but I really think that every team in baseball, raises their game up a notch to beat the yanks. I think they play their best baseball in postseason to beat us. I mean can you explain the performance by beckett? The HR in that series from a marlins player that barely hit any all year? NO name angels hitters looking like Rod carew, the list goes on and on. Now I am not saying that the yankees haven't contributed to their demise, but I think over the years, teams have just played over their heads to beat the yanks, I mean their return to less than stellar play after they play us is a telling sign. I just think that teams love to beat the yankees, they love to hate us and of late, their have been saving their games, their A-games for the yankees...

Just venting after watching carmona tonight. I mean he is nothing close to the pitcher he was last week. I mean last week was probably the best he has and will ever pitch in his entire career...

last i checked there is a reason why baseball is played.

with your logic, teams should just pack up their bags and not bother showing up against the yankees because clearly
a) they arent better than you
b) they "wahhh wahhhh wahhhh" bring their best against the best.

all you hear about around the country "they are the best"
"you cant break mo"
"mystique"
"lore"

teams get up to play the best, you got a problem with that?

[Scrub Sura]

Or, maybe...just maybe the Yankees aren't as good as you want to believe?

[cmaff051]

Watching the cleveland/ Boston series, I watch Sebathia get rocked and I am watching carmona struggle. Now I know we are a better hitting team than boston, but I really think that every team in baseball, raises their game up a notch to beat the yanks. I think they play their best baseball in postseason to beat us. I mean can you explain the performance by beckett? The HR in that series from a marlins player that barely hit any all year? NO name angels hitters looking like Rod carew, the list goes on and on. Now I am not saying that the yankees haven't contributed to their demise, but I think over the years, teams have just played over their heads to beat the yanks, I mean their return to less than stellar play after they play us is a telling sign. I just think that teams love to beat the yankees, they love to hate us and of late, their have been saving their games, their A-games for the yankees...

Just venting after watching carmona tonight. I mean he is nothing close to the pitcher he was last week. I mean last week was probably the best he has and will ever pitch in his entire career...

Our pitching has been terrible the last few years. I think there is easily an explanation why our pitching has been awful: we haven't had an above average staff since 2003.

The last 2 years the Yankees have only played 4 games in the playoffs each year. Anything can happen in four games. Teams can get hot, teams can get cold. If our pitching was good enough to pick up the offense, I have no doubts that our hitting would have picked up in the ALCS.

That being said, the Yankees got alot of breaks from 1996-2000 during their World Series dynasty. I remember specifically the Mets series in 2000... Luis Sojo hits a 100 bounce grounder that scored the series winning run. I remember in Game 1 of that series when Todd Zeile hit that double off the wall but Timo Perez decided to stare at it instead of running and trying to score the run. He was out at the plate and that saved the game pretty much. In Game 5 of that series, Piazza's out in the last out of the World Series was smacked but absolutely died on the warning track.

We got alot of breaks from 1996-2000... not so much now. Add to that a crappy pitching staff and you can see why we've struggled.

Remember Tony Clark's double over the wall in Game 5 of the 2004 ALCS? If that stays in the park, the Yankees win the series. That's another example.

[TKF]

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Our pitching has been terrible the last few years. I think there is easily an explanation why our pitching has been awful: we haven't had an above average staff since 2003.

The last 2 years the Yankees have only played 4 games in the playoffs each year. Anything can happen in four games. Teams can get hot, teams can get cold. If our pitching was good enough to pick up the offense, I have no doubts that our hitting would have picked up in the ALCS.

That being said, the Yankees got alot of breaks from 1996-2000 during their World Series dynasty. I remember specifically the Mets series in 2000... Luis Sojo hits a 100 bounce grounder that scored the series winning run. I remember in Game 1 of that series when Todd Zeile hit that double off the wall but Timo Perez decided to stare at it instead of running and trying to score the run. He was out at the plate and that saved the game pretty much. In Game 5 of that series, Piazza's out in the last out of the World Series was smacked but absolutely died on the warning track.

We got alot of breaks from 1996-2000... not so much now. Add to that a crappy pitching staff and you can see why we've struggled.

Remember Tony Clark's double over the wall in Game 5 of the 2004 ALCS? If that stays in the park, the Yankees win the series. That's another example.

OH I agree, but that shows you how good that yankee team was, constatnly playing with a target on their backs, it is never an easy thing, teams seemed to up their games for the yankees, it happens to every great franchise I am sure, it just underscores how hard it is to win when you are expected to. Classic example, this years tigers, easy to play as an underdog, get that target on your back and the lights get brighter, teams seem to up their games, and yes sometimes breaks don't go your way..

[TKF]

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last i checked there is a reason why baseball is played.

with your logic, teams should just pack up their bags and not bother showing up against the yankees because clearly
a) they arent better than you
b) they "wahhh wahhhh wahhhh" bring their best against the best.

all you hear about around the country "they are the best"
"you cant break mo"
"mystique"
"lore"

teams get up to play the best, you got a problem with that?

actually I have no problem with that. Did I say I ever did, I was just throwing it out there how hard it is to win, when youare expected to win, teams up their games to play the yankees, it happens.... How is that hard to understand?

Your response was completely juvenile...

[gooGD]

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actually I have no problem with that. Did I say I ever did, I was just throwing it out there how hard it is to win, when youare expected to win, teams up their games to play the yankees, it happens.... How is that hard to understand?

Your response was completely juvenile...

No, but you guys think that is ok to complain when guys like granderson have career days against the yankees. its part of baseball...

All scrubs have their day. Some you guys get this entitlement that
"this scrub is not allowed to beat us, he cant touch us, gtf off the field"

Please, there are so many factors that could have reasoned why carmona didnt do as well.... the weather, control issues ,etc. You cant watch this guy for 2 games and come around and complain saying

This guy was lights out against us, having the best pitching performance of his life, but gets blown out of the water against the bosox? We are the better hitting team.. why did this guy own us?

[SugeKnight718]

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ortiz and manny are not considered baseball's best players,manny and ortiz don't make 25 mil a year either. Again, it seems as if pitchers and others raise their games vs the likes of the yanks and A-rod... Sorry if you don't want to hear it, but it is true... A pitch is not always a pitch....

You are talking out of your ass, seriously. You mean to tell me pitchers buckle down against the Yankees and take it easier on Manny and Ortiz??? Are you that stupid??? The point here is that Manny and David are better batters than A-Rod. If you want to talk all around, I guess you can say A-Rod, but I would even question if the clutchness and ability to control a game the way Manny and Ortiz can cancels the fact that A-Rod plays D and they don't. I mean being paid the most and you can't even put up the kind of numbers the other guys are really questions why exactly anyone would look into a Red Sox fans eye and say A-Rod is the best in the game when A-Rod can't touch Manny or Ortiz after 162 games. And in the end, thats where it really counts.

We all said MJ was the best to do it, but he didn't do it in one time, against weak teams. He showed up for weak teams, better teams, and last but definatly not least in the playoffs. Some A-Rod isn't and Manny and Ortiz do season in and season out.