Jorge Wants Four Year Deal - Wiretap

[Slamm Goodbody]

New York Daily News - Brian Cashman's top priority of getting Jorge Posada and Mariano Rivera re-signed remains the same, but at least one of those Yankee stalwarts isn't inclined to make it that easy on the Bombers.

Posada appears ready to make the Yankees work for his services, according to sources familiar with the discussions, as the five-time All-Star catcher plans to wait until he can hear offers from other teams before making a decision.

Posada and the rest of his fellow free agents can begin fielding offers from other teams a week from today, though clubs are free to express their interest in free agents now without discussing money.

The biggest sticking point for Posada may wind up being the length of a deal, as the 36-year-old is seeking a four-year pact, according to sources, who said the Yankees have internally discussed an offer of three years and $40 million.

Jorge really wasn't bluffing when he said he was going to enjoy free agency...

[TKF]

No he wasn't bluffing, but that is cool, I am tired of the yankees dealing scared, these are the yankees, they need to get back to dealing from a position of strength......

[cmaff051]

No he wasn't bluffing, but that is cool, I am tired of the yankees dealing scared, these are the yankees, they need to get back to dealing from a position of strength......

Exactly...Posada is a yankee lifer, but that doesn't mean the Yankees should offer him a 4 year deal in his late 30s. Give him a good offer,a 3 year deal with a team option, and if he doesn't like it, he walks. No more bending over backwards for players past their prime....give him a take it or leave it offer..

[TKF]

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Exactly...Posada is a yankee lifer, but that doesn't mean the Yankees should offer him a 4 year deal in his late 30s. Give him a good offer,a 3 year deal with a team option, and if he doesn't like it, he walks. No more bending over backwards for players past their prime....give him a take it or leave it offer..

you know torre called the yankees offer a slap in the face when we all know he would have made the playoffs last year and at the very least gotten 6 mil, yet he takes 4 mil from the dodgers... wow..

People get so used to the yankees paying big, they feel they can force the Yankees to overpay. well it hasn't worked since 2000 and now it is time to change. I love posada, but the yankees still have jeter, most likely rivera, and a very productive lineup with a host of young players that have proven they can play postseason ball( cano, melky, joba, hughes). Again these are the yankees, deal from a position of strength!

[VinnyTheMick]

great....none of our catching prospects are ready for the big leagues so we can simply tell him "you crazy? no f_ckin way"

[cmaff051]

great....none of our catching prospects are ready for the big leagues so we can simply tell him "you crazy? no f_ckin way"

Would you rather Cashman say...."Hey Jorge, you are our only option... you can bend us over all you want... here is a 5 million, 80 million dollar deal for you..."

[Markos]

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People get so used to the yankees paying big, they feel they can force the Yankees to overpay. well it hasn't worked since 2000

you sure you want to throw that out there?

Giambi anyone?
Mussina?

the list goes on for ages

[cmaff051]

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you sure you want to throw that out there?

Giambi anyone?
Mussina?

the list goes on for ages

Yankees overpayed for Mussina? Really? $88.5 million over 6 years is not paying over market value when Mike Hampton got a better deal (8/121) during the same offseason and was a vastly superior pitcher to Hampton?

Giambi? You are really going to go there? How about your very own Manny Ramirez, who set the market for Giambi? Manny got 8/168 in the 2000 offseason, Giambi got 7/120.

Same thing with Jeter. Jeter was ready to take much less than he would eventually get until Tom Hicks swooped in and offered Arod a $252 million dollar contract. Jeter then asked for more money and he got it.

Yankees rarely, if ever, set the market.

Can somebody ban this troll? I'm all for intelligent discussion, but this guy has no idea what he is talking about and all he does is come to the Yankee forum and try to instigate everybody. He needs a time-out...

[Lconte17]

I'd give posoda a 4 year deal for 4/40. Id even give him a no trade clause for the first 2 years. year 3 and 4 id put in the contract that the yankees can buy out the remaining contract for 25% of what is owed and thus making him a free agent.

[Pugsley_2491]

today on mike and the maddog they were saying he prolly wants 4 years for about 15 mill a year

[Markos]

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Unlike you who trolled every red sox postseason thread and actually was suspended.

I never said anything about setting prices. But it is a fact that there have been plenty of players who they signed and have not performed to that contract. I was just pointing out the statement was false.The red sox have overpaid too but nobody claims to the contrary. (although Manny Ramirez is hardly overpaid as he has put up one great season after another)

I wasn't talking about Mussina's first deal. Its the second one where he is most definetely overpaid. a player who gets paid 12.5 million per year should not be benched for a minor leaguer and not start in the playoffs.

Giambi is overpaid compared to his production and health

Carl Pavano

Jaret Wright

Randy Johnson

[cmaff051]

Dude, you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. None. Please shut up, you are arguing two completely different points and it makes you look completely foolish. The Yankees didn't have the benefit of hindsight when they signed Giambi. Nor did they have the benefit of hindsight when they signed Pavano. When they signed Giambi, Manny Ramirez had already been given a massive deal by the Red Sox. The Yankees were forced to match that or else they wouldn't have been able to sign Giambi. Obviously, if they knew that he would have health problems, they wouldn't have given him a 120 million dollar deal, but they didn't know that in the 2001 offseason. They thought he would be healthy for the entire deal.

Same thing for Pavano. A $4 year, $40 million dollar deal for a good middle of the rotation pitcher who was just about to enter his prime was a good deal. Many teams were offering a similar contract to Pavano. Obviously, if the Yankees knew that he would only pitch 100 innings in his four year tenure, they wouldn't have given him the deal. But they didn't have the benefit of hindsight like the great Markos has.

Randy Johnson. Let's analyze the situation in the 2004 offseason. He was just coming off a year where he was the most dominant pitcher in the National League, and it looked like he had many years left in the tank. The Diamondbacks weren't willing to pay him the remaining $16 million on his contract, so they traded him to the Yankees, who had the talent to give back to the Diamondbacks. If he went on the market in the 2004 offseason, he would have gotten a very similar deal that the Yankees gave him (2 years, 32 million) from every team in the league who could afford him.

Jaret Wright. He got 3/21 from the Yankees, but Kris Bensen got 3/22.5 a few months before in the same offseason from the Mets. So how exactly did the Yankees set the market?

I don't expect you to respond to this because you've been thoroughly debunked and you've shown throughout your time on these forums that you are gutless, but next time make a better case for your arguments. You haven't proven one instance where the Yankees set the market out of whack. Keep trying, though.

[VinnyTheMick]

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Would you rather Cashman say...."Hey Jorge, you are our only option... you can bend us over all you want... here is a 5 million, 80 million dollar deal for you..."

No. I was simply stating that unlike our young arms, our young catching prospects aren't ready & that that will have an impact on negotiations with Posada.

[Jitpal]

There is no way in hell we should offer any more than 3 years. I think 2 would be ideal but I don't see how Posada would accept that. I had an idea of a possible solution to solve a few of our problems.

Melky, Kennedy + something for Jarrod Saltalamachia(sp?). Texas needs a CF and Melky is far cheaper than Rowand, Jones or Hunter. They seem to be really high on Kennedy because of all the Gagne rumors from last year. We throw in a little more and get Salty. It does a lot of things. Posada can no longer hold Cashman hostage because he is a legitimate alternative. If Posada does come back, Salty can back him up and play some 1B. He is a good 1B so even on days when Molina would be catching he can play 1B. He replaces some of the offense we lose with Arod departing. We have a catcher for the future. Might be expensive but I think it is worth it. -Jitpal

[Markos]

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It doesn't surprise me that you didnt even bother reading what I said and wasted all that time coming up with that drivel. All I said was that several players that have played for the Yankees have been overpaid while they were playing for New York. In other words they did not live up to the contract that they were given. It may have happened for whatever reason like injury or they couldn't handle the pressure. It happens to all teams but to say that no players have been overpaid by NY in 7 years is false. Since 2001, some of the players that have come through NY have been overpaid underachievers and I don't understand how you cannot understand that point.

I only wish I had your lack of life or I'd go back through the countless threads on this forum when you or others have called your own players overpaid. (Unfortunately the search feature doesn't work)

[Pharmcat]

ok, can we all please stop with the unnecessary cheap shots?

[Markos]

ok, can we all please stop with the unnecessary cheap shots?

no problem, if my tone was accusatory i apologize

[ReggieFULLeffect]

It doesn't surprise me that you didnt even bother reading what I said and wasted all that time coming up with that drivel. All I said was that several players that have played for the Yankees have been overpaid while they were playing for New York. In other words they did not live up to the contract that they were given. It may have happened for whatever reason like injury or they couldn't handle the pressure. It happens to all teams but to say that no players have been overpaid by NY in 7 years is false. Since 2001, some of the players that have come through NY have been overpaid underachievers and I don't understand how you cannot understand that point.

I only wish I had your lack of life or I'd go back through the countless threads on this forum when you or others have called your own players overpaid. (Unfortunately the search feature doesn't work)

He's blasting you for being unspecific. It's easy to say players were overpaid but how about some examples. It's also easy to say Giambi and Pavano were overpaid (in hindsight, admit it) but cmaff made valid points in arguing your point.

Also, this isn't Nazi Germany. It's a message board. Some of you dudes take this all a little too seriously. You're blasting each other for "trolling" on each other's favorite team's boards? It makes no sense guys.

[Markos]

It doesn't surprise me that you didnt even bother reading what I said and wasted all that time coming up with that drivel. All I said was that several players that have played for the Yankees have been overpaid while they were playing for New York. In other words they did not live up to the contract that they were given. It may have happened for whatever reason like injury or they couldn't handle the pressure. It happens to all teams but to say that no players have been overpaid by NY in 7 years is false. Since 2001, some of the players that have come through NY have been overpaid underachievers and I don't understand how you cannot understand that point.

I only wish I had your lack of life or I'd go back through the countless threads on this forum when you or others have called your own players overpaid. (Unfortunately the search feature doesn't work)

He's blasting you for being unspecific. It's easy to say players were overpaid but how about some examples. It's also easy to say Giambi and Pavano were overpaid (in hindsight, admit it) but cmaff made valid points in arguing your point.

Also, this isn't Nazi Germany. It's a message board. Some of you dudes take this all a little too seriously. You're blasting each other for "trolling" on each other's favorite team's boards? It makes no sense guys.

I guess it really depends on how you define overpaid. I think he thinks that if you sign a player to a market level contract then he is not overpaid no matter how he performs. I think if you pay a player a large amount and he does nothing, then it was a mistake signing and hence that player is overpaid.

[moocow007]

How much can Pudge Rodriguez be had for?