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I know a lot of people were hating on Cashman for not pulling the trigger on a Santana deal last winter. Look at it now, we have all of our young chips (other than Tabata), we have a lefty ace(Sabathia), we spent the same amount of money(give or take), and now Santana is hurt. The elbow injury isn't something new, I remember reading in some Minnesota news papers about how Santana's elbow was giving many concern. He was having elbow problems at the end of the 2007 season too. I think Brian Cashman deserves some respect for making the right call even though the majority of fans were screaming to bring Santana in at any cost. -Jitpal

Good Call- To many people wanted Cash's head last year. I myself didnt want to part with Hughes. I would of had a few names i woulda moved and not come off that. So the non move seems to be working out well. Hopefully Hughes can become the legit starter we all know he can be. However with that said I think we gave up Tabata for to little, and if we could have got Santana for IPK, Tabata, Melky, Marquez and another prospect [note tabata and marquez are now gone for Nady and Swisher] i think Cash would of looked like a genius then too. Cause i think he woulda went all out for CC anyways and left us with CC, Wang, Santana, Joba, Andy which woulda been even more crazy then having Burnett. But it is what it is, and Cash has done a good job with his solo control. He netted us CC, and Tex. Kept a lot of prospects, drafted pretty well. The only blunder on his name, is not sticking up to Hank about not resigning Arod after saying the yankees would not renegotiate if he opted out...

his blunders include blowing the 2 draft picks last year

and hughes has to p an out for him to look like a genius

I remember when we signed Sabathia, Cashman made it known that this was their plan for well over a year because they knew he would hit the market and with the new ballpark we would be able to offer him the money.

We have held onto Hughes, even if some people are quick to dismiss a 22 year old who has shown some incredible flashes. His injuries have had more to do with bad luck than being injury prone. He came back last September and was dominant, he was lights out in the AFL, and is off to a good start this spring. He still has work to do but I still have high expectations. Not to mention that who knows who the other piece in the deal may have been (Kennedy, Betances, Cano, Jackson, etc.).

Santana is an amazing pitcher, but even before he was a Met his velocity began to drop from consistently in the 92-93 range now to more of a 90-92 mph fastball. His final 4 years in Minnesota showed a slow decrease in every single one of his peripherals including hits, Ks, BAA, OBP, etc. and those decreases continued last season even while switching from the AL to the NL. Great pitcher and nobody can take that away from him, but there have to be some concerns there.

Pharmcat wrote:his blunders include blowing the 2 draft picks last year

and hughes has to p an out for him to look like a genius

Cole was not his fault at all because they had no reason at all to believe he wouldn't sign. It happens every year with a number of teams, and we get to use those two draft picks this season so we don't really lose out on a thing.

Also, I don't think Hughes really has to turn into a stud for Cashman to look good. With Santana, we wouldn't have Sabathia. Would you take Sabathia + Hughes + another top prospect or would you take Santana, regardless of what Hughes turns into?

Landing CC and Tex was brilliant, end of story.

nykgeneralmanager wrote:

Pharmcat wrote:his blunders include blowing the 2 draft picks last year

and hughes has to p an out for him to look like a genius

Cole was not his fault at all because they had no reason at all to believe he wouldn't sign. It happens every year with a number of teams, and we get to use those two draft picks this season so we don't really lose out on a thing.

Also, I don't think Hughes really has to turn into a stud for Cashman to look good. With Santana, we wouldn't have Sabathia. Would you take Sabathia + Hughes + another top prospect or would you take Santana, regardless of what Hughes turns into?

not being a hater, but i dont see the genius behind throwing large amt of $$ at players, im not sure how that involves skill of the gm

but yes, i like cc, phil and other top prospect myself

Pharmcat wrote:

nykgeneralmanager wrote:

Pharmcat wrote:his blunders include blowing the 2 draft picks last year

and hughes has to p an out for him to look like a genius

Cole was not his fault at all because they had no reason at all to believe he wouldn't sign. It happens every year with a number of teams, and we get to use those two draft picks this season so we don't really lose out on a thing.

Also, I don't think Hughes really has to turn into a stud for Cashman to look good. With Santana, we wouldn't have Sabathia. Would you take Sabathia + Hughes + another top prospect or would you take Santana, regardless of what Hughes turns into?

not being a hater, but i dont see the genius behind throwing large amt of $$ at players, im not sure how that involves skill of the gm

but yes, i like cc, phil and other top prospect myself

I think normally you would be right, throw money and the guys will come. However, in this case, Cashman had to do a true sell job along with the money to bring Sabathia here. Now the impact of the money vs the impact of Cashman's recruiting trip can be debated but Sabathia did mention it as one of the key reasons he was putting on the pinstripes.

The Cole thing was a mistake but essentially an unavoidable one. His agent, I believe Boras, said he would sign. They negotiated, they had a deal, and then last minute Cole's father called the whole thing off. There is nothing Cashman or conceivably any general manager could have done. It is obvious the Cole family did not negotiate in good faith and pretty much any team would have fallen prey to them.

Hughes is so young, he will pan out. I can't remember the last pitcher who didn't have health problems and had lights-out stuff at the major league level at his age. Maybe Dontrelle Willis and look where he is now. Most of these other guys have all been 23-24 when they started to put it all together. Hughes is 22, right now. Give him some time, when Pettitte retires, Hughes will step in and give this rotation a huge boost. -Jitpal

yea im not gonna post here bashing cash

cuz we have a real solid team and a great chance to go all the way