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Post#1 » by nykgeneralmanager » Mon Jul 27, 2009 5:31 am

Screw the minor league thread, this kid deserves his own thread.

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He was manhandling high-A ball with a line of .356/.406/.583 in 180 at bats. He had 26 runs, 64 hits, 15 doubles, 1 triple, 8 home runs, 37 RBI, and a 14/25 BB/K ratio in 48 games.

Then he was promoted to AA at 19 years old. Sure, his defense is shotty, but the bat had nothing more to gain from A ball. And lets face it, the bat is what is going to make him a major league player and hopefully superstar, so that has to dictate his promotions.

Now he has played 39 games in AA, accumulating 149 AB. In his first 28 AB in Trenton, he was clearly adjusting as he hit just (and I use "just" loosely for a 19 year old catcher in AA) .285, but he had 0 home runs and 0 doubles. Since then he is 38 for 121 (.314) with 9 home runs and 7 doubles and a BB/K ratio of 14/18 in AA. So since moving up, he has actually increased his power in less at bats and improved his already impressive BB/K ratio.

On another forum somebody calculated his OPS+ to be 171 this year. At his current pace, he is going to win minor league player of the year I would imagine, and he has become the #1 or #2 prospect in all of baseball. I can't argue putting Heyward ahead of him due to the differences in defense. Montero as a catcher makes him possibly a one in a decade type of prospect with the potential to have a bat similar to Mike Piazza. Put that bat at DH or RF and it loses some value, but still remains as a top prospect.

Now the question is where do you go from here? His bat will be major league ready next season, possibly right away. At this point it is hard to deny that he can hit, he would very much hold his own in the majors next season.

Do you continue to move him along based on his bat? He would start next season in AAA most likely, no reason to rush him no matter how ready he looks. Matt Weiters looked more than ready and even he is struggling at the next level. Montero turns 20 in November, so he will be playing ALL of next season as a 20 year old, so we can always take our time. But why take our time if the guy is ready? His defense isn't very good, but I think it will be good enough if he can put up Mike Piazza numbers, that never held the Mets back.

I think at this point next year, he is platooning at C/DH with Posada as he gets acclimated to the major leagues. Then by the time Posada's contract is up, hopefully Romine turns into the player we expect and he too will reach the majors. From there, Montero either becomes a full-time DH, a RF (not likely IMO but I've seen the idea tossed around), or he and Romine can platoon as well.

Either way, Montero is arguably the best Yankees prospect since Jeter. Yes, even a better prospect than Hughes was 2-3 years ago given the uncertainty of pitching prospects. The potential this kid has is absolutely mind blowing.
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Post#2 » by Dr. Detfink » Mon Jul 27, 2009 9:39 am

He'll get 100 at bats next season as a RF...cause Nick Swisher sucks.
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Post#3 » by VinnyTheMick » Mon Jul 27, 2009 12:51 pm

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Its hard to believe this guy is only 19. He certainly is built like a guy in his mid 20's. I want him in the bigs next season. I do see a problem with him getting PT up here since we have aging stars that require some DH time during the season & his defense behind the plate isn't the best. How does he call a game?

It's a tough call. Its also a great problem to have.
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Post#4 » by nykgeneralmanager » Mon Jul 27, 2009 1:14 pm

All the guys at Trenton have had awesome things to say about throwing to him so far. Of course if they are asked they wouldn't say he can't call a game to save his life, but they have been quick to compliment him.

The key is that both Damon and Matsui will be gone in all likelihood, that opens up a lot of at bats at DH, which is why I think a platoon with Posada can work.
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Post#5 » by VinnyTheMick » Mon Jul 27, 2009 1:33 pm

nykgeneralmanager wrote:All the guys at Trenton have had awesome things to say about throwing to him so far. Of course if they are asked they wouldn't say he can't call a game to save his life, but they have been quick to compliment him.

The key is that both Damon and Matsui will be gone in all likelihood, that opens up a lot of at bats at DH, which is why I think a platoon with Posada can work.



Good points. I figure Arod will be getting days at DH even if hes fully recovered from the hip injury. Hes in his mid 30's & its just smart to give him days off. Ditto to Posada & Jeter. A platoon could work though, the more I think about it.
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Post#6 » by Pharmcat » Mon Jul 27, 2009 2:03 pm

hows his mental makeup?
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Post#7 » by nykgeneralmanager » Mon Jul 27, 2009 2:22 pm

Pharmcat wrote:hows his mental makeup?

Nobody can say a negative thing about his mental makeup or his work ethic, he fully understands how popular he has become and wants nothing more than to work at catching and stick at the position. In his short career, his numbers are always better with RISP than bases empty and he hits game tying grand slams, so that should say a lot about him mentally.
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Post#8 » by VinnyTheMick » Mon Jul 27, 2009 2:25 pm

He just looks like a flat out stud. I can't wait til he is behind the plate & AJax is patrolling center field. In the next 5 years this team will look very different. Its kind of scary (losing Mo to retirement) but exciting at the same time.
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Post#9 » by Dr. Detfink » Mon Jul 27, 2009 4:49 pm

I'll take Cervelli behind the plate, who calls a good game, good arm, and surprising offensive capabilities. Put Jesus in RF with Austin "ACtion" Jackson in CF, and Melky in LF. Power, speed, and arm strength. in the outfield.
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Post#10 » by moocow007 » Sat Aug 1, 2009 1:01 am

Can he play the OF?
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Post#11 » by nykgeneralmanager » Sat Aug 1, 2009 1:50 am

No reason to believe he can. He is big and slow at 19, so he won't be getting any leaner or quicker as he gets into his 20s. If you stick him out there you are basically asking to have a terrible defensive OF, so you may as well just deal with shortcomings as a catcher in order to increase his value as a player and get more for your money.

BTW, 3 for 5 with 2 doubles, 1 RBI, and a R tonight
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Post#12 » by PR07 » Sat Aug 1, 2009 6:34 am

Isn't Carlos Lee big and slow?

Either way this kid's a beast and is going to be something really special. Do you think he'll make the show coming out of spring training next season or do you think he'll be more of a midseason call-up?
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Post#13 » by Dr. Detfink » Sat Aug 1, 2009 8:21 am

Montero is a DH plain and simple. With Nady, Damon, Matsui out the door, it wouldn't shock me if he gets the call up.

The Yanks already have problems in the outfield and if Girardi has hinted that he wants a faster, more mobile outfield. When Matsui and Damon go, you will see Austin Jackson called up for 100-150 at bats to see where he is at his development.
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Post#14 » by rappa » Sat Aug 1, 2009 6:26 pm

Montero is 19 YEARS OLD. To say hes a DH plain and simple is just (Please Use More Appropriate Word). He has gotten 10x better since he first signed with the Yankees. A lot of pitchers like throwing to him because he's a monstrous target behind the dish. I think he will be up maybe for a little september cameo and then next year mid-july and platoon with Posada.
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Post#15 » by Dr. Detfink » Sat Aug 1, 2009 6:53 pm

19 yrs and getting called up next season? Don't make me laugh. He'll get called up 21-22 for 100 at bats, and that's at best. Believe CAshman's mantra for stockpiling this talent wait till next year..and next year.

The comparisons to Mike Piazza are not encouraging when you consider Mike was the "green light" for base stealers. If he's average defensively in minor league at throwing guys out, do you think he can handle the Chone Figgins of MLB? Highly doubtful.

You must not be a tool to just screening out all the negative aspects of a player.

Besides, next season clearly Cervelli will platoon with Posada and Molina. Cervelli has a great arm and his hitting has shocked scouts.
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Post#16 » by rappa » Sat Aug 1, 2009 8:06 pm

Dr. Detfink wrote:19 yrs and getting called up next season? Don't make me laugh. He'll get called up 21-22 for 100 at bats, and that's at best. Believe CAshman's mantra for stockpiling this talent wait till next year..and next year.

The comparisons to Mike Piazza are not encouraging when you consider Mike was the "green light" for base stealers. If he's average defensively in minor league at throwing guys out, do you think he can handle the Chone Figgins of MLB? Highly doubtful.

You must not be a tool to just screening out all the negative aspects of a player.

Besides, next season clearly Cervelli will platoon with Posada and Molina. Cervelli has a great arm and his hitting has shocked scouts.



Can you just leave the forums? You have no clue what your even saying. He's 19 and MASHING in Double-A. He's going to continue at Double-A for the rest of the season and then go play in the AFL after the season. The art of being a catcher isn't just throwing people out. As he's moved up to AA, he has thrown out a higher percentage of base stealer's then he did when he was in High A. Not only does he keep improving his footwork, but Girardi himself said in ST that Montero was the best blocker at camp! Your fooling yourself if you don't think he won't improve to be adequately behind the plate. If he calls a great game, receives balls well and does a good job at blocking, that's more then enough when your being compared to the GREATEST HITTING CATCHER OF ALL TIME.

The timeline is for him to be in the Majors by mid-july next year if he continues to progress at the rate he has. His bat is that special where he will get some time behind the plate and DH. The fact that you only look at the negatives and not positives is a shame, you are a debby downer. You and Kandi should go have your own hater-aid forum.

The fact is, not many catchers throw out the chone figgins types. Thats why chone figgins types are so special! If your not encouraged that his bat has drawn comparisons to a catcher that hit .308 for his career, 36hr per season and 113 rbi per season, you my friend are silly.
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Post#17 » by Dr. Detfink » Sat Aug 1, 2009 9:47 pm

EXCUSE me, the ART of a Catcher IS Defense. THAT's your GOALIE in MLB.

That's not just throwing runners out. That's learning to smother wild pitches, call games, and earn a pitcher's trust.

The value of a catcher who can actually um, catch has NEVER been HIGHER in this de-roided era where teams are manufacturing runs in the advent of a power outage.

You want to know what a catcher who can hit but can't throw out a runner is? The NEXT Javy Lopez. A douche who could hit but Greg Maddux REFUSED To have catch for him.

In the future, you'll see Cervelli BEFORE Montero behind the plate. Mark my words.

WHY?

Cause hitting comes and goes but DEFENSE...DEFENSE ALWAYS defines games in TIGHT playoff series.
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Post#18 » by nykgeneralmanager » Sun Aug 2, 2009 3:18 am

Dr. Detfink wrote:19 yrs and getting called up next season? Don't make me laugh. He'll get called up 21-22 for 100 at bats, and that's at best. Believe CAshman's mantra for stockpiling this talent wait till next year..and next year.

The comparisons to Mike Piazza are not encouraging when you consider Mike was the "green light" for base stealers. If he's average defensively in minor league at throwing guys out, do you think he can handle the Chone Figgins of MLB? Highly doubtful.

You must not be a tool to just screening out all the negative aspects of a player.

Besides, next season clearly Cervelli will platoon with Posada and Molina. Cervelli has a great arm and his hitting has shocked scouts.

He will be a major leaguer at some point when he is 20 years old. You can argue over what position, but his bat will get him here next season.
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Post#19 » by nykgeneralmanager » Sun Aug 2, 2009 5:02 pm

Maybe some bad news...

Montero was 1 for 1 with an RBI last night before getting crossed up on a pitch and the ball nailed his throwing hand and he left the game in pain. No word yet on anything, but PJ Pilitterre has been sent to AA, so that may be a sign that Montero may be out for a little bit. Just hope its nothing serious.
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Post#20 » by nykgeneralmanager » Sun Aug 2, 2009 5:41 pm

Well thats that, Montero fractured his middle finger and is out for 4-6 weeks, aka the rest of the season.

Amazing season for Montero, its a shame he couldn't continue this tremendous run but there is no rush. This does slow his development behind the plate which does effect how quickly he will get to the Bronx, but hopefully he can still begin next season in AAA.

He finishes the season with a line of .337/.389/.562 with 25 doubles, 17 home runs, 1 triple, 70 RBI, 117 hits, 45, runs, 347 AB and an outstanding 28 BB/47 K ratio for a power hitter in 92 games played. His post all-star break line was .373/.403/.661. He has solidified himself as a top 5 prospect in all of baseball and has a chance to do some memorable things. We'll just have to wait a little longer.

I assume we'll see him in the Arizona Fall League this winter.

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