OT-yankee fans

[patrickchewing]

some players were placed on waivers today, the biggest name being robinson cano. also placed on waivers was bruney, melancon, and robertson. this is pretty interesting, i wonder what the big idea is?

[jjjjjjjj]

okay... here's how it works.

1. if anyone claims them, they can pull the player out of waivers.
2. if anyone claims them, they can trade them to that team.
3. if no one claims them, they can trade the player to anyone.

cashman's doing it so that if he needs to make a trade until the waiver line trade deadline comes, he'll be able to do so. it's not like basketball where it means basically an outright release.

and if anyone does put a claim on them, cashman WILL pull them back. that's pretty obvious.

[patrickchewing]

yeah i understand how waivers work. i just think this shows the yankees would be willing to move cano and that surprises me. i mean im sure it would take a very good player for us to make a move and the stars would have to align, but non the less it caught me off gaurd.

[NyKnicks1714]

I know nothing about baseball, and I'm confused about waivers. What's the point of the trade deadline if you can just put someone on waivers and trade them afterwards anyway?

[jjjjjjjj]

yeah i understand how waivers work. i just think this shows the yankees would be willing to move cano and that surprises me.

no, its cashman putting feelers out for their assets. cano is a top 5 second baseman and he'd be curious to know what he'd fetch. it doesn't mean they are willing to move cano...

Kemp for Cano was discussed in the offeseason but Cashman wanted no part of that. i doubt after cano has had a nice comeback season, cashmoney would be "willing to move cano"...

it sorta like putting a decent raise into the pot when you're the table bully... if someone puts chips in, they've got something and in this case, cash is thinking... here's my asset, what are you willing to pay for him.

[Clincher]

I know nothing about baseball, and I'm confused about waivers. What's the point of the trade deadline if you can just put someone on waivers and trade them afterwards anyway?

With waiver rules, the worst team can get 1st dibs on a player placed on waivers taking the team giving up the player(s) decides to give the person away in a deal or just for nothing.

Before the deadline, you get any player from any team without any team potentially blocking you off from getting who you'd want.

[jjjjjjjj]

I know nothing about baseball, and I'm confused about waivers. What's the point of the trade deadline if you can just put someone on waivers and trade them afterwards anyway?

waivers in basketball is like baseball in that the poorest team can grab a player and his contract... but in basketball, the player is released outright if no one picks him up.

and to answer your question, please look at what i wrote above. in baseball, if you put someone on waivers and someone claims the player, you can take the waived player back... this is a technique used by GMs to see how interested other GMs are in their waived players. it doesn't mean the player isn't valuable or unwanted like basketball or with players with massive contracts (see Manny).

Some GMs don't even bother to put in a claim because they know that, at least in this case, cashman will definitely pull the waived player back. all of them have trade value, and have been helping the major league squad.

[patrickchewing]

with cano i just dont see the point. it seems that its a waste of time

[jjjjjjjj]

with cano i just dont see the point. it seems that its a waste of time

well.. i guess... that's sorta what baseball is though. if you condensed the action in a whole game, it would last less than an hour.

its just to feel what's out there... there is no lose situation with this, just positives. either get cano back, or have someone go crazy over him and offer a really good player.

[patrickchewing]

with cano i just dont see the point. it seems that its a waste of time

well.. i guess... that's sorta what baseball is though. if you condensed the action in a whole game, it would last less than an hour.

its just to feel what's out there... there is no lose situation with this, just positives. either get cano back, or have someone go crazy over him and offer a really good player.

yeah this is true, i guess we'll see what happens

[YouthMovement]

Brandon Phillips
Chase Utley
Aaron Hill
Ian Kinsler
Dustin Pedroia
Brian Roberts

Cano isn't a top 5 second baseman. That's excluding Orlando Hudson, and even maybe a healthy Howie Kendrick is arguable.

[patrickchewing]

Brandon Phillips
Chase Utley
Aaron Hill
Ian Kinsler
Dustin Pedroia
Brian Roberts

Cano isn't a top 5 second baseman. That's excluding Orlando Hudson, and even maybe a healthy Howie Kendrick is arguable.

brandon phillips and brian roberts are not better then cano, and this year even pedroia is questionable

[jjjjjjjj]

Brandon Phillips
Chase Utley
Aaron Hill
Ian Kinsler
Dustin Pedroia
Brian Roberts

Cano isn't a top 5 second baseman. That's excluding Orlando Hudson, and even maybe a healthy Howie Kendrick is arguable.

utley is the only player clearly better than cano.

cano has a 841 OPS
Pedroia 816
kinsler 795
hudson 788
roberts 785
phillips 789
utley 953
hill 834

so actually, offensively, cano is actually the second best second basemen this season. may i has another?

and if you're familiar with defensive metrics like UZR,

http://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?p ... 09&month=0

shows cano is middle of the pack defensively... putting offensive production and defensive numbers together, i'd say...

Utley, Cano/Pedroia tied, Hill, etc.

So yeah, Cano isn't top 5, he's top 3. maybe the fact he has a better range factor, better fielding percentage, more double plays and putouts edges him over pedroia.

[YouthMovement]

brandon phillips and brian roberts are not better then cano, and this year even pedroia is questionable

Um, Phillips is on pace for 25 hrs, 107 rbi, and 28 sb. He gets 20/20 every single year, and he's a brilliant defender. Cano hit .271 last year for gods sake, and you're arguing that he's better than the reigning AL MVP? Are you serious? Just because Roberts doesn't hit for power doesn't make him inferior to Cano. He defends very well, and he steals close to 50 bases a year. Phillips has 13 more rbi than Cano in 7 less games.

And Aaron Hill has 77 rbi and 26 hrs while bating .291. He's on pace for 39/116 and 205 hits. Cano has 16 hrs at Yankee stadium, the same stadium in which Johnny freaking Damon has 20 hrs in. So, as I said before.

In no particular order: Pedroia, Utley, Hill, Phillips, THEN cano/roberts and the rest

Michael Kay will tell you that.

[NyKnicks1714]

I know nothing about baseball, and I'm confused about waivers. What's the point of the trade deadline if you can just put someone on waivers and trade them afterwards anyway?

waivers in basketball is like baseball in that the poorest team can grab a player and his contract... but in basketball, the player is released outright if no one picks him up.

and to answer your question, please look at what i wrote above. in baseball, if you put someone on waivers and someone claims the player, you can take the waived player back... this is a technique used by GMs to see how interested other GMs are in their waived players. it doesn't mean the player isn't valuable or unwanted like basketball or with players with massive contracts (see Manny).

Some GMs don't even bother to put in a claim because they know that, at least in this case, cashman will definitely pull the waived player back. all of them have trade value, and have been helping the major league squad.

So let's say two teams want to make a trade after the deadline. Cant one team put a player on waivers, have the other team claim him, then make the trade? How would it be different than a normal trade?

[Duhon2Lee42]

I read the Ny post everyday and didn't notice the Cano on waivers story. We bet not trade him or entertain any deals that include him. Lol at the Cano hate in the topic. Good laugh. Idc if he's not a top 20 2nd baseman, I want him here.

[BelieveTheDream]

it means nothing...

[magnumt]

with cano i just dont see the point. it seems that its a waste of time

More than likely there just seeing if they can flip a high-bat for a high pitcher to lock up that 5th spot, and maybe replenish some spots in the Farm system. Trust me, Cashman is no longer pushing to trade Cano.

Remember he almost dealt him Years ago just as he was breaking out as a filler in another Trade, which the other Team declined...thanks goodness . Cano's age, and agility/playmaking at his position make him a hot commodity, not to mention he's not a trouble maker/low-key, and he is VERY fearless in clutch moments (ala Jeter).

With Ramiro Pena looking like a great replacement for Jeter, those 2 (Pena and Cano) can grow well together for the next 8-10 Years or so.

[nykgeneralmanager]

It's meaningless, teams put half their roster on waivers just to see who would get through or sometimes just to try to sneak somebody else through. For instance lets say the Yankees want to deal Robertson, they put a good player like Cano on waivers with him so that a team who wants to prevent the Yankees from making a move can only claim one of them (obviously Cano) and then Robertson can clear waivers and be traded.

[Appleshampoo]

Michael Kay will tell you that? hahaha you must be joking. As if Michael Kay is some kind of brilliant baseball mind. The only good thing about Michael Kay is listening to Paul O'Neil and David Cone rip on him during games