offseason thread

Pharmcat · Post #1 » by **Pharmcat** » Sun Nov 8, 2009 8:44 pm

the beauty of baseball, the offseason is always busy!

i still havent savored the victory enough, and ive realized we'll be cherishing this one for years

but its time to move on right?

the big FA are andy, matsui, and damon....offer matsui and andy 1 yr deals BUT dont haggle over a couple million, offer a damon 2 yr deal with the 2nd year as vested (the 19 over 2 yrs for abreu has set a good bar for damon imo)

i understand the need to get young, but we realized with phil and ian that you cant just throw them in the fire, so ease them in and phase out the vets

FA wise, the rumor is we are willing to go 12 mill on lackey, im not sure if i like him with all the wear on his arm?

Wade2k6 · Post #2 » by **Wade2k6** » Sun Nov 8, 2009 9:06 pm

I'll take Lackey for 12 million. It gives the Yanks a legitmate #2 behind CC, and moves Burnett to #3. If they could get Andy to return they'd have a great top 4 with the 5th spot going to Hughes, Joba, or Wang.

Pharmcat · Post #3 » by **Pharmcat** » Sun Nov 8, 2009 10:02 pm

montero has grown out of the C spot, so unless he can play the OF, I would be open to listen to trade offers for him for a #1-2 SP

regardless, i love the offseason, always so much to talk about

only thing on lackey is that he has lost some zip on his fb, scares me a bit

cmaff051 · Post #4 » by **cmaff051** » Mon Nov 9, 2009 1:13 am

There is absolutely no chance we get Lackey at anything below $16 mil a year. Lackey's market value has been set by Burnett's contract.

Pharmcat · Post #5 » by **Pharmcat** » Mon Nov 9, 2009 1:32 am

whose gonna pay him 16 million?

cmaff051 · Post #6 » by **cmaff051** » Mon Nov 9, 2009 2:31 am

Pharmcat wrote:whose gonna pay him 16 million?

The Yankees - if they want him.

Wade2k6 · Post #7 » by **Wade2k6** » Mon Nov 9, 2009 3:23 am

Pharmcat wrote:montero has grown out of the C spot, so unless he can play the OF, I would be open to listen to trade offers for him for a #1-2 SP

regardless, i love the offseason, always so much to talk about

only thing on lackey is that he has lost some zip on his fb, scares me a bit

First off, if I'm the yankees I'm not trading Montero at this point. He had a breakout year and is still young as hell. You need to keep him for at least another year to see if he's really the type of prospect he has shown, and if he is, why would you trade away a player that has a chance to be great from the C spot? Second, if you want a #1 or 2 starter, you sign one in FA (especially when you have the Yankees budget), you don't trade a top 5 prospect in baseball for it. If they want a #1 or 2 they can sign Lackey outright without giving up a top 5 prospect.

Pharmcat · Post #8 » by **Pharmcat** » Mon Nov 9, 2009 3:58 am

Wade2k6 wrote:
Pharmcat wrote:montero has grown out of the C spot, so unless he can play the OF, I would be open to listen to trade offers for him for a #1-2 SP

regardless, i love the offseason, always so much to talk about

only thing on lackey is that he has lost some zip on his fb, scares me a bit

First off, if I'm the yankees I'm not trading Montero at this point. He had a breakout year and is still young as hell. You need to keep him for at least another year to see if he's really the type of prospect he has shown, and if he is, why would you trade away a player that has a chance to be great from the C spot? Second, if you want a #1 or 2 starter, you sign one in FA (especially when you have the Yankees budget), you don't trade a top 5 prospect in baseball for it. If they want a #1 or 2 they can sign Lackey outright without giving up a top 5 prospect.

i was just saying, i think its fair to say hes grown out of the C position and he cant play 1b here, if we can trade him for a #1, i would be keen to do it

i dont consider a lackey a #1 btw

CrazyKnicks · Post #9 » by **CrazyKnicks** » Mon Nov 9, 2009 5:10 am

I haven't thought about next season yet, still enjoying the victory.
But today I was watching the local news, FOX 5 (for whatever it's worth lol) and they were saying that the yanks might try to go young in he outfield by trading for a salary arbitration eligible young OF that his team can't afford.
I say bring Damon and Matsui back for (2 years each the most) and trade for that young OF and platoon him with Damon and see what happens...
We should try to deal with the Marlins who are shedding salary, try to pick up some nice young pieces.

Pharmcat · Post #10 » by **Pharmcat** » Mon Nov 9, 2009 5:14 am

^^did they mention any players?

CrazyKnicks · Post #11 » by **CrazyKnicks** » Mon Nov 9, 2009 5:24 am

Pharmcat wrote:^^did they mention any players?

No, they just mentioned that we would have to do something similar to the Hermida deal. They also said that the Yankees might not want to resign Damon and Matsui because of their injury concerns but might be pressured to because of their postseason performances.

jeff1624 · Post #12 » by **jeff1624** » Mon Nov 9, 2009 7:09 am

Meh.. I don't want Lackey.

Sabathia
Burnett
Pettite
Hughes/Wang
Chamberlain/Wang

Should be the rotation next year.

ccvle · Post #13 » by **ccvle** » Mon Nov 9, 2009 12:38 pm

i know swisher is under contract but doesnt it make more sense to replace him and bring back damon?

ccvle · Post #14 » by **ccvle** » Mon Nov 9, 2009 12:40 pm

montero is just 20yrs old.... what class is he in?

rappa · Post #15 » by **rappa** » Mon Nov 9, 2009 2:53 pm

Montero is in Double AA. There is no reason to believe he can't improve behind C since he's so young, but as Pharmcat stated he is a massive human being. Albeit the Yankees have played with Posada behind the dish for over a decade and we all know he isn't no defensive wiz. With that being said, Mark Newman has said that Montero is the most special bat he's ever had in the system since Derek Jeter. Even if he becomes a DH, his prime projections are 35+hr power with .300+ BA. Trading him could be a monumental mistake but the only way he should be traded is if Felix Hernandez is coming our way. He is 24, and is already a clear #1. Trading Montero for him will give us another stud SP who will be here for the next 7 years, all being in his prime.

Pharmcat · Post #16 » by **Pharmcat** » Tue Nov 10, 2009 12:16 am

rappa wrote:Montero is in Double AA. There is no reason to believe he can't improve behind C since he's so young, but as Pharmcat stated he is a massive human being. Albeit the Yankees have played with Posada behind the dish for over a decade and we all know he isn't no defensive wiz. With that being said, Mark Newman has said that Montero is the most special bat he's ever had in the system since Derek Jeter. Even if he becomes a DH, his prime projections are 35+hr power with .300+ BA. Trading him could be a monumental mistake but the only way he should be traded is if Felix Hernandez is coming our way. He is 24, and is already a clear #1. Trading Montero for him will give us another stud SP who will be here for the next 7 years, all being in his prime.

pretty much agree here

Pharmcat · Post #17 » by **Pharmcat** » Tue Nov 10, 2009 12:17 am

good article on espn on the meetings:

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/columns/s ... id=4637105

Pharmcat · Post #18 » by **Pharmcat** » Tue Nov 10, 2009 12:35 am

cnnsi is saying the yanks could give lackey burnett type money

Sacramento_King · Post #19 » by **Sacramento_King** » Tue Nov 10, 2009 4:58 am

Pharmcat wrote:cnnsi is saying the yanks could give lackey burnett type money

16 per season is to rich for my blood.

What do you guys think of Bedard? Probably not healthy to start the season but could be a high risk / high reward guy. Maybe a change of scenery would do him good.

Pharmcat · Post #20 » by **Pharmcat** » Tue Nov 10, 2009 5:12 am

Sacramento_King wrote:
Pharmcat wrote:cnnsi is saying the yanks could give lackey burnett type money

16 per season is to rich for my blood.

What do you guys think of Bedard? Probably not healthy to start the season but could be a high risk / high reward guy. Maybe a change of scenery would do him good.

16 is too much imo, but honestly, with the team we have, a guy with lackey would pretty much have a chance to do something special for multiple years (pitching would be soo deep), so whats a couple extra million per year?

regardless

ive always been a bedard fan, but i think hes been on record saying he couldnt pitch in ny, so why even bother