Swish traded to White Sox
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Swish traded to White Sox
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I cant say I didnt know this was coming,a couple weeks ago I read an article that said he could be on his way out,and with the trade of Haren,and getting a RF in Carlos Gonzalez back in return I figured it was probley going to happen sometime during the season,but I really wanted to see Barton moved to DH,Swish to 1st,but I understand what Billy is doing.Try and get you guys some scouting reports soon.
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Well.. a bittersweet day as a fan.
I hate losing Swish... I think he had a down year and really will eventually become a .300 / 30 / 100 guy at the LF/RF spots. But, we need to go very young this year, and nearly completely rebuild. Getting Sweeney and Gio... I honestly know nothing about either one, or the other guy we got. No idea if its a good return yet...
But I trust Beane
Also...
Rich Harden
Joe Blanton
Huston Street
Dan Johnson
Eric Chavez
Mark Kotsay
Jack Cust
Cmon down! You could be the next to go!
I hate losing Swish... I think he had a down year and really will eventually become a .300 / 30 / 100 guy at the LF/RF spots. But, we need to go very young this year, and nearly completely rebuild. Getting Sweeney and Gio... I honestly know nothing about either one, or the other guy we got. No idea if its a good return yet...
But I trust Beane
Also...
Rich Harden
Joe Blanton
Huston Street
Dan Johnson
Eric Chavez
Mark Kotsay
Jack Cust
Cmon down! You could be the next to go!
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Buy your Daric Barton jersey's now and wait for them to appreciate in value
Daric and Suzuki are the beginnings of a new core. They already have half a season of service... just start looking at them as the vets, it'll make things easier on ya'll this year...
Blanton's likely the next to go... with the bounties on pitching this offseason, Beane would be foolish not to swing Blanton out of here... Street too. Gagne got 10 mil. 10 MIL. Street could certainly fetch a top of the line prospect.
Daric and Suzuki are the beginnings of a new core. They already have half a season of service... just start looking at them as the vets, it'll make things easier on ya'll this year...
Blanton's likely the next to go... with the bounties on pitching this offseason, Beane would be foolish not to swing Blanton out of here... Street too. Gagne got 10 mil. 10 MIL. Street could certainly fetch a top of the line prospect.
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Good return by Oakland.
I'm not so sure about Sweeney but he's still pretty young. I like the other 2 pieces you guys got.
I don't see them trading Blanton because they aren't going to have much left in the rotation but Street could be a possibility, as Reggae stated about Gagne, the reliever market is ridiculous and Beane can take advantage of that. I think James Simmons is rising enough to where he could possibly make the roster as a reliever. They threw him into AA straight from college and did a reasonable job.
I'm not so sure about Sweeney but he's still pretty young. I like the other 2 pieces you guys got.
I don't see them trading Blanton because they aren't going to have much left in the rotation but Street could be a possibility, as Reggae stated about Gagne, the reliever market is ridiculous and Beane can take advantage of that. I think James Simmons is rising enough to where he could possibly make the roster as a reliever. They threw him into AA straight from college and did a reasonable job.
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The Prospects
Gonzalez, 22, now has been traded twice by the White Sox. Chicago drafted him in the supplemental first round out of a Miami high school in 2004, sent him to the Phillies in the Jim Thome trade in November 2005 and reacquired him in a swap for Freddy Garcia in December 2006. Gonzalez is one of the game's better lefthanded pitching prospects, and he led the minors with 185 strikeouts in 150 innings at Double-A Birmingham in 2007. He went 9-7, 3.18 in 27 starts for the Barons, limiting opponents to a .216 average and 10 homers. Gonzalez' best pitch is his curveball, and he also has a low-90s fastball that can reach 96 mph. He has shown improvement with his changeup and isn't far from reaching the major leagues. He has a ceiling as a No. 2 or 3 starter.
De los Santos, 21, came out of nowhere last season in his U.S. debut. Signed out of the Dominican Republic in 2006, he rode his mid-90s fastball and plus slider to an appearance in the Futures Game last summer. He went 10-5, 2.65 in 26 games (20 starts) between low Class A Kannapolis and high Class A Winston-Salem. He had a 153-43 K-BB ratio in 122 innings, while opponents batted just .163 with eight homers against him. He has better pure stuff but not as much polish or savvy as Gonzalez, as well as a similar ceiling. De los Santos will need more time to develop.
Sweeney, 22, had fallen out of favor with the White Sox. A second-round pick out of an Iowa high school in 2003, he performed well in big league camp the following spring and subsequently was rushed by Chicago. Sweeney's power never has developed and he spent most of 2007 at Triple-A Charlotte, where he hit just .270/.348/.398 with 10 homers and 47 RBIs in 105 games. He wasn't called up in September, an indication of how the Sox felt about him, though he has played briefly in the majors in each of the last two years, hitting .213/.250/.288 with one homer and 10 RBIs in 33 games. With average speed and a plus arm, he can play any of the three outfield positions. He'll get a chance to win a starting job with the A's during spring training.
Gonzalez, 22, now has been traded twice by the White Sox. Chicago drafted him in the supplemental first round out of a Miami high school in 2004, sent him to the Phillies in the Jim Thome trade in November 2005 and reacquired him in a swap for Freddy Garcia in December 2006. Gonzalez is one of the game's better lefthanded pitching prospects, and he led the minors with 185 strikeouts in 150 innings at Double-A Birmingham in 2007. He went 9-7, 3.18 in 27 starts for the Barons, limiting opponents to a .216 average and 10 homers. Gonzalez' best pitch is his curveball, and he also has a low-90s fastball that can reach 96 mph. He has shown improvement with his changeup and isn't far from reaching the major leagues. He has a ceiling as a No. 2 or 3 starter.
De los Santos, 21, came out of nowhere last season in his U.S. debut. Signed out of the Dominican Republic in 2006, he rode his mid-90s fastball and plus slider to an appearance in the Futures Game last summer. He went 10-5, 2.65 in 26 games (20 starts) between low Class A Kannapolis and high Class A Winston-Salem. He had a 153-43 K-BB ratio in 122 innings, while opponents batted just .163 with eight homers against him. He has better pure stuff but not as much polish or savvy as Gonzalez, as well as a similar ceiling. De los Santos will need more time to develop.
Sweeney, 22, had fallen out of favor with the White Sox. A second-round pick out of an Iowa high school in 2003, he performed well in big league camp the following spring and subsequently was rushed by Chicago. Sweeney's power never has developed and he spent most of 2007 at Triple-A Charlotte, where he hit just .270/.348/.398 with 10 homers and 47 RBIs in 105 games. He wasn't called up in September, an indication of how the Sox felt about him, though he has played briefly in the majors in each of the last two years, hitting .213/.250/.288 with one homer and 10 RBIs in 33 games. With average speed and a plus arm, he can play any of the three outfield positions. He'll get a chance to win a starting job with the A's during spring training.
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What's Next For Oakland?
What's Billy Beane's next move? He's already traded his team's best pitcher and one of his better hitters. Let's start with a couple of additional moves brought up by Susan Slusser.
Trade Eric Chavez. Chavez expects to go, and he was refreshingly candid in his comments. His contract runs through 2010, and he's willing to waive his no-trade rights. He's had three surgeries this winter, so he has to prove his health before anyone acquires him. A big first half would go a long way.
Sign Barry Bonds. Such a move wouldn't surprise Chavez. Slusser believes a bargain Bonds chasing 3,000 hits and extending his home run record could be a way to get fans in the park despite a noncompetitive 2008 team. For $8-10MM, I could see it.
Other possibilities outside of the two mentioned by Slusser:
Trade Mark Kotsay. He makes $8MM in '08 and only managed 56 games last year. Maybe the Braves would take him on in exchange for a nonprospect, if the A's kick in $3MM.
Trade Mark Ellis. He's signed at $5MM for '08, plays Gold Glove second base defense, and is an above average hitter for his position. Too bad for the White Sox he didn't get thrown in as part of the Swisher trade. Outside of the Rockies I don't see many fits for Ellis.
Trade Rich Harden. Since he has a reasonable $7MM option for 2009, Harden is similar to Chavez and Kotsay in that it makes sense to wait to see if he can build a little value before trading him.
Trade Joe Blanton. I'd be surprised if this doesn't happen, with Beane adding three or four more of some team's top ten prospects.
Trade Huston Street. Why not? He's got three years of service time left, so he should draw a better bounty than Jose Valverde did. Perhaps Beane can focus on acquiring a good young middle infielder here.
Vets like Bobby Crosby, Alan Embree, and Justin Duchscherer probably shouldn't get too comfortable either.
What's Billy Beane's next move? He's already traded his team's best pitcher and one of his better hitters. Let's start with a couple of additional moves brought up by Susan Slusser.
Trade Eric Chavez. Chavez expects to go, and he was refreshingly candid in his comments. His contract runs through 2010, and he's willing to waive his no-trade rights. He's had three surgeries this winter, so he has to prove his health before anyone acquires him. A big first half would go a long way.
Sign Barry Bonds. Such a move wouldn't surprise Chavez. Slusser believes a bargain Bonds chasing 3,000 hits and extending his home run record could be a way to get fans in the park despite a noncompetitive 2008 team. For $8-10MM, I could see it.
Other possibilities outside of the two mentioned by Slusser:
Trade Mark Kotsay. He makes $8MM in '08 and only managed 56 games last year. Maybe the Braves would take him on in exchange for a nonprospect, if the A's kick in $3MM.
Trade Mark Ellis. He's signed at $5MM for '08, plays Gold Glove second base defense, and is an above average hitter for his position. Too bad for the White Sox he didn't get thrown in as part of the Swisher trade. Outside of the Rockies I don't see many fits for Ellis.
Trade Rich Harden. Since he has a reasonable $7MM option for 2009, Harden is similar to Chavez and Kotsay in that it makes sense to wait to see if he can build a little value before trading him.
Trade Joe Blanton. I'd be surprised if this doesn't happen, with Beane adding three or four more of some team's top ten prospects.
Trade Huston Street. Why not? He's got three years of service time left, so he should draw a better bounty than Jose Valverde did. Perhaps Beane can focus on acquiring a good young middle infielder here.
Vets like Bobby Crosby, Alan Embree, and Justin Duchscherer probably shouldn't get too comfortable either.
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Gammons Chat: Crisp, Santana, Ramirez
The Boston Globe ran a chat with Peter Gammons today, and some good hot stove material came about.
Gammons believes the Rangers or A's could go after Coco Crisp if he's not dealt to the Twins. He notes that "the A's think he's the best CF in the game right now," and that Billy Beane could acquire him to flip him.
The Boston Globe ran a chat with Peter Gammons today, and some good hot stove material came about.
Gammons believes the Rangers or A's could go after Coco Crisp if he's not dealt to the Twins. He notes that "the A's think he's the best CF in the game right now," and that Billy Beane could acquire him to flip him.
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oakfanintheeast wrote:why in the world would the A['s trade Cust?
He's 29 and the friendliness of his contract ends next year. Haren and Swisher were both on friendly deals and are 2 years younger than Cust... Or because we don't want another Matt Stairs situation, where we hang on to a slugger like Cust too long and his value becomes nil.
Factor in his inclusion in the Mitchell report and I don't see a reason to even keep the guy, minimal production or not.
But... considering Cust is only a DH, and most good teams already have an idea of who they want there, Cust really doesn't have a lot of options.
The only conceivable teams to take him are Seattle, Baltimore, and Minnesota.... We probably dont want to trade him to Seattle, a division rival... Baltimore would have to swallow the pain of trading for someone they cut no more than 2 years ago... Sota's the only place that makes sense, and they have a 3B prospect I really like. It's a shame they gave him some major league time though.
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I 
Devine's skills... I remember hearing how highly touted he was when he was supposed to challenge Wickman.
He motored through A/AA/AAA for ATL... needs that extra boost to be a MLB player, hopefully we can give it to him. We have been burned by ATL before though (Dan Meyer).
Its a weird situation though - for this to be a successful trade, Devine has to pan out... otherwise we just saved 1.5 million, and lost Kotsay for that...
Devine's skills... I remember hearing how highly touted he was when he was supposed to challenge Wickman.
He motored through A/AA/AAA for ATL... needs that extra boost to be a MLB player, hopefully we can give it to him. We have been burned by ATL before though (Dan Meyer).
Its a weird situation though - for this to be a successful trade, Devine has to pan out... otherwise we just saved 1.5 million, and lost Kotsay for that...
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ATLANTA -- Braves general manager Frank Wren's search for a veteran center fielder officially came to a close on Monday, when Mark Kotsay passed his physical.
The Braves acquired Kotsay from the A's in exchange for right-handed pitcher Joey Devine, Minor League right-hander Jamie Richmond and cash considerations. Before the deal could be finalized, Kotsay had to undergo a physical that allowed the Braves medical staff to evaluate his troublesome back.
"Mark is one of the most accomplished defensive center fielders in the game and is a true professional," Wren said on Monday. "We feel that we have added another quality 'baseball player' to our club."
Bothered by a herniated disc during the 2005 and 2006 seasons, Kotsay underwent arthroscopic surgery in March and missed the first two months of this past season. Prolonged discomfort and spasms limited the 32-year-old outfielder to just 56 games and forced him to end his season on Aug. 14.
Since announcing that they wouldn't attempt to re-sign Andruw Jones in early October, the Braves have been in search of a veteran center fielder who could man the position until top prospect Jordan Schafer is ready to test his talents at the Major League level.
If he remains healthy, Kotsay could prove to be better than any of the short-term solutions the Braves had envisioned acquiring to utilize in center field. He is entering the final season of a three-year deal and the A's are going to pay more than $5 million of his $7.33 million salary.
During his 11-season Major League career, Kotsay has hit .282 and compiled a .337 on-base percentage. His finest season came with the A's in 2004, when he produced career-bests in batting average (.314), on-base percentage (.370) and slugging percentage (.459).
Kotsay's back began providing regular discomfort in 2005 and his production has since steadily decreased. During the past three seasons, he has hit .267 with a .388 slugging percentage and .321 on-base percentage.
Entering the 2005 season, Kotsay's career statistics included a .287 batting average, a .425 slugging percentage and .343 on-base percentage.
The Marlins selected Kotsay with the ninth overall pick in the 1996 First-Year Player Draft and then provided him his first shot in the Majors one year later. He was traded to the Padres before the 2001 season and remained in San Diego until being traded to the A's before the 2004 season.
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The Braves acquired Kotsay from the A's in exchange for right-handed pitcher Joey Devine, Minor League right-hander Jamie Richmond and cash considerations. Before the deal could be finalized, Kotsay had to undergo a physical that allowed the Braves medical staff to evaluate his troublesome back.
"Mark is one of the most accomplished defensive center fielders in the game and is a true professional," Wren said on Monday. "We feel that we have added another quality 'baseball player' to our club."
Bothered by a herniated disc during the 2005 and 2006 seasons, Kotsay underwent arthroscopic surgery in March and missed the first two months of this past season. Prolonged discomfort and spasms limited the 32-year-old outfielder to just 56 games and forced him to end his season on Aug. 14.
Since announcing that they wouldn't attempt to re-sign Andruw Jones in early October, the Braves have been in search of a veteran center fielder who could man the position until top prospect Jordan Schafer is ready to test his talents at the Major League level.
If he remains healthy, Kotsay could prove to be better than any of the short-term solutions the Braves had envisioned acquiring to utilize in center field. He is entering the final season of a three-year deal and the A's are going to pay more than $5 million of his $7.33 million salary.
During his 11-season Major League career, Kotsay has hit .282 and compiled a .337 on-base percentage. His finest season came with the A's in 2004, when he produced career-bests in batting average (.314), on-base percentage (.370) and slugging percentage (.459).
Kotsay's back began providing regular discomfort in 2005 and his production has since steadily decreased. During the past three seasons, he has hit .267 with a .388 slugging percentage and .321 on-base percentage.
Entering the 2005 season, Kotsay's career statistics included a .287 batting average, a .425 slugging percentage and .343 on-base percentage.
The Marlins selected Kotsay with the ninth overall pick in the 1996 First-Year Player Draft and then provided him his first shot in the Majors one year later. He was traded to the Padres before the 2001 season and remained in San Diego until being traded to the A's before the 2004 season.
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JAMIE RICHMOND, RHP
Proper Name: James Mark Richmond
Born: March 23, 1986 in Toronto
School: Texarkana (Texas) CC Ht.: 6-3 Wt.: 185
Bats: R Throws: R
Individual Pitching Stats
Club (League) Class W L ERA G GS CG SV IP H R ER HR BB SO WP BB/9 SO/9 AVG WHIP STR%
Rome Braves (SAL) Low A 7 6 3.05 25 24 0 0 138.2 141 71 47 9 25 98 8 1.62 6.36 .255 1.20 ---
MINOR LEAGUE TOTALS 7 6 3.05 25 24 0 0 138.2 141 71 47 9 25 98 8 1.62 6.36 .255 1.20 ---
Proper Name: James Mark Richmond
Born: March 23, 1986 in Toronto
School: Texarkana (Texas) CC Ht.: 6-3 Wt.: 185
Bats: R Throws: R
Individual Pitching Stats
Club (League) Class W L ERA G GS CG SV IP H R ER HR BB SO WP BB/9 SO/9 AVG WHIP STR%
Rome Braves (SAL) Low A 7 6 3.05 25 24 0 0 138.2 141 71 47 9 25 98 8 1.62 6.36 .255 1.20 ---
MINOR LEAGUE TOTALS 7 6 3.05 25 24 0 0 138.2 141 71 47 9 25 98 8 1.62 6.36 .255 1.20 ---