The trade market for pitchers

Ex-hippie · Post #121 » by **Ex-hippie** » Thu Jan 24, 2008 5:09 pm

It seems I disagree with Bulltalk on the overall merits of a Bedard trade, but I'm definitely in agreement that a Bedard-Hernandez-Washburn-Batista-Silva rotation would be very good. Bedard really was that good when healthy last year, and we forget that Hernandez is still extremely young (younger than a lot of people who haven't done as much as he has, but seem to have more hype now, like Tim Lincecum and Joba Chamberlain). He can be really, really good. The other three are what Jesus called "LAIMs," and that's not a bad way to get through a 162-game schedule. If those three can give us 96 starts, 600 innings and, say, 55 or 60 quality starts, we're in very good shape. When/if we get to the postseason, we have the 1-2 punch to compete there. Game 3 might be dicey, but we can probably live with that.

Post #122 » by **Basketball Jesus** » Thu Jan 24, 2008 6:26 pm

Bulltalk wrote:Well for one, as I mentioned before, I wouldn't include BOTH Jones and Clement in a Bedard trade. I'm sure they'd have to have Jones for any kind of a deal to happen, and I'm sure they'd want Clement, but I wouldn't dare move a potential power-bat in Clement in any such package. No deal.

I think that

KA_G4040 · Post #123 » by **KA_G4040** » Sun Jan 27, 2008 10:38 pm

what do you mean the Mariners are a bad defensive team?

Yuni has had his problems throwing the ball but he gets to way more balls than almost nobody can get to. Lopez only had like 4 errors last year. We got probably the best double play combo in the league. Now only if they could get their OBP up to around .310.

NateMustGo · Post #124 » by **NateMustGo** » Thu Jan 31, 2008 5:10 pm

If the Bedard trade falls through who else is out there that we could target as a great pick up ? Any ideas out their?

Ex-hippie · Post #125 » by **Ex-hippie** » Mon Feb 25, 2008 8:13 pm

I hadn't realized this before, but I read over the weekend that Kyle Lohse remains unsigned. Remember how Silva and Lohse were supposed to be ranked 1A and 1B among non-Japanese free agent pitchers? I'd rather have Silva than Lohse, but this apparent drying-up of the market is yet another sign of how dramatically Bavasi overpaid for Silva.

Post #126 » by **Bulltalk** » Tue Feb 26, 2008 3:11 am

hippie wrote:I hadn't realized this before, but I read over the weekend that Kyle Lohse remains unsigned. Remember how Silva and Lohse were supposed to be ranked 1A and 1B among non-Japanese free agent pitchers? I'd rather have Silva than Lohse, but this apparent drying-up of the market is yet another sign of how dramatically Bavasi overpaid for Silva.

It was an anchor signing, though I agree probably overpaid. Bavasi needed to anchor something down before he could move onto his next page of strategy.

I definitely get a mild case of vertigo when I know Bavasi is out on the prowl. :lol:

I must say that this off-season is a bit of a flip of the coin. It *could* work out for the M's for the next few years. Then again, it might not. Even many of the prognosticators are all over the map on the M's fate this year.

If it does work out for them, then I might be even more frightened of Bavasi. Bavasi and hubris are the makings of a dangerous concoction.

Post #127 » by **PhilipNelsonFan** » Tue Feb 26, 2008 9:36 am

Info from the Seattle times:

It's official. What we've been telling you all week. Carlos Silva is the Mariners' No. 3 starter, followed by Jarrod Washburn at No. 4 and Miguel Batista (seen throwing a bullpen session this morning -- we've added photos since our initial post) at No. 5. What's more, the team intends to use Batista -- if he's needed -- out of the bullpen in weeks where his No. 5 spot is skipped.

Bedard and Felix are the top two, respectively.

The rotation goes LHP, RHP, RHP, LHP, RHP.

Ex-hippie · Post #128 » by **Ex-hippie** » Tue Feb 26, 2008 4:54 pm

I wonder why the team is so fixated on naming the precise order of its starting rotation this early. Does it matter that much? Don't they want the pitchers to think there's some kind of incentive to prove something in the preseason (even if it's mostly illusory)?

I'd say Washburn should be the #5, although the team seems to be allergic to having lefties back to back (Bedard at #1 will follow the #5), probably because they think opponents will be able to adjust between games. My SWAG (sophisticated wild-ass guess) is that this is a highly overrated phenomenon. If I'm right about that, the corollary would be that it's more important to stash your worst starter at #5, thus minimizing his appearances and maximizing the ability to skip him in the rotation when possible, than it is to go left-right-left. Finally, I would also guess that, from a perspective of opponents' adjustments, Bedard has more in common with Felix than he does with Washburn.

But, hey. It probably doesn't matter much either way.

Post #129 » by **Sweezo** » Fri Mar 28, 2008 3:18 am

TheUrbanZealot wrote:In any sense, I don't want to see this guy fluke in pre-season, then end up w/ 1 of the starting spots, only to end up being axed in the process...

Well...no need to worry. He had a good preseason, and appears set to be a long man out of the pen. If you're watching him pitch against the Giants tonight, the knuckle's on and he looks pretty damn good.

And for all the high risk you rambled on about...where was it? Adding Dickey may have cost Baek a roster spot, but I'm not sure that qualifies.

It might all be meaningless, as spring training often is, but I still don't think adding Dickey was worth getting up in arms.