Series Thread: Seattle Mariners vs. Texas Rangers

[Sweezo]

Making such a bold prediction is pretty ridiculous, especially when he's only had ONE start for our ballclub.

Give him a year before you start with that.

Ramirez wasn't likely to make the rotation in Atlanta, was likely to be DFA'd, and was hardly a highly sought commodity on the trade market. And the M's gave up one of the best relief pitchers in baseball to get him.

He absolutely isn't worth what we gave up to get him, even if he ends up having a good year, because he probably could have been had for far less. Not to mention, pitchers like him are a dime a dozen in baseball...if you can't land him for cheap, find one of the other injury prone mediocre groundballers who get hit hard and put him in SafeCo.

If you pay $18,000 for a '89 Ford Taurus with 250k miles on it...and you end up getting another 250k miles out of it, that doesn't mean you didn't horribly overpay from the get go.

[Sweezo]

Nice to see Icihro finally show up and Vidro looked like the 300 hitter we traded for.Betre hitting for power while were still in the race is a nice plus also.maybe just maybe this team can compete this year.

Not to mention...Beltre's smoking the ball when he hits it. He's making hard contact, and has had some bad luck with the ball simply finding fielders. This is easily the best I've seen him look to start the season as a Mariner.

Despite the mediocre production, I've never really given up on him. He frustrates me, but I believe he has the talent to produce as he was expected to when he signed here.

[Bay_Areas_Finest]

I still dont agree with you on the Ramirez thing, Sweezo. If Ramirez was to go something like 17-8 with a mid 3 ERA, you wouldn't consider that a good deal for us? I think it would be fantastic, because you would have added a very good piece to a weak starting rotation.

Our bullpen is going to be solid w/o Soriano, but we needed to add good arms in the rotation.

Now, if Ramirez flops and is horrible, then yes, I agree with you. Because right now, I DONT like the trade, but saying it is going to be a bad one regardless of what Ramirez does is a tad outlandish.

[Sweezo]

I really don't mind adding Ramirez...I just can't be convinced that it really would have taken Soriano to get him since his stock was so low.

[Sweezo]

Making such a bold prediction is pretty ridiculous, especially when he's only had ONE start for our ballclub.

Give him a year before you start with that.

Well, it hasn't been a year...but which pitcher would you rather have right now?

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       IP     ERA   K    BAA      WHIP
Player A: 26     7.62  10    .368       2.19
Player B: 16.1  3.52  12    .148       0.85

...and that's including the postponed game where Ho-Ram went 4 innings and gave up 4 runs (none earned).

It's simple. One guy gets outs, and one guy doesn't. I wish we still had the guy who gets outs...

[Ex-hippie]

I still dont agree with you on the Ramirez thing, Sweezo. If Ramirez was to go something like 17-8 with a mid 3 ERA, you wouldn't consider that a good deal for us? I think it would be fantastic, because you would have added a very good piece to a weak starting rotation.

Of course. But the problem is that Ramirez going 17-8 with a mid 3 ERA has zero chance of happening. It always had zero chance of happening because Ramirez isn't good enough. Sure, if we traded Felix Hernandez for John "Wayback" Wasdin, and then Wasdin won 25 games for us, I'd think we did pretty well in retrospect. Hell will have frozen over, but it would have been a good trade.