Adam Jones to Baltimore for Erik Bedard?

[Bulltalk]

I'm sticking to my "McPhail is jerking Bavasi around" theory, and I seriously hope Bavasi pulls the plug on this one unilaterally. That's in part because I never liked the trade in the first place (maybe I can buy into Tillman or Butler, but not both), but also because I fear for the organization's credibility. Bavasi's actions have cried out "I'm desperate to do a trade for short-term benefits" throughout this whole process. It's like our organizational poker face has been completely lost. We need to get it back.

I'm with you now on this, hippie. Everytime I hear something new about this deal, it's about us giving up MORE. This deal's current incarnation is Jones, Tillman, Sherrill, Butler, and Mickolio for Bedard.

That's too much! Walk away. Jones, Tillman and Sherrill is ENOUGH! Possibly some lesser prospect in addition to these three, but certainly not Butler, or perhaps even Mickolio. We're already giving them a starting outfielder, a strong setup relief pitcher, and perhaps our top pitching prospect. Throw in Tui, or "maybe" Mickolio, call it a deal, or tell them where to stick it.

If there's one thing I've come to learn about Bavasi is that he's almost always overpaying, be it in trade, or in signing FA's. You're right. Bavasi is really starting to come off as a cheap whore who you can always get more off of. It's starting to grate me.

[Bow2Yao11]

There is now a rumor going around about a 6 for 2 deal involving Bedard and Brian Roberts....

If it is true then that's why there is a delay....


This is what I've been hearing from a Orioles message board

Bedard
Roberts

for

Jones
Lopez
Tillman
Triunfel
Butler
Mickolio


So basically we take out Sherill but throw in Triunfel and Lopez.

I would rather trade Sherill than Triunfel because it's way too much if he is throw in...


This is what I've been hearing and we might find out in the next couple of days.

[Sweezo]

Whatever. Just get the damn thing over with because every day I pick up the paper it seems like we're adding one of the few minor league players I'm familiar with.

Triunfel should be untouchable, and in any organization he would be.

[Bow2Yao11]

Bavasi has said Triunfel is untouchable so I don't know if he has changed his mind....

and Angelos has nixed a 6-2 deal for Roberts to the Braves before because he loves Roberts

[Bulltalk]

There is now a rumor going around about a 6 for 2 deal involving Bedard and Brian Roberts....

If it is true then that's why there is a delay....


This is what I've been hearing from a Orioles message board

Bedard
Roberts

for

Jones
Lopez
Tillman
Triunfel
Butler
Mickolio


So basically we take out Sherill but throw in Triunfel and Lopez.

I would rather trade Sherill than Triunfel because it's way too much if he is throw in...


This is what I've been hearing and we might find out in the next couple of days.

Eghads! The more I hear about this trade, the worse it gets for us.

--Jones
--Tillman
--Triunfel
--Butler
--Mickolio

Are you kidding me? 3 of our top pitching prospects, and two of our top everyday player prospects for Bedard?

Somebody shoot Bavasi.

[Bulltalk]

If Bedard isn't signed to an extension immediately, and the deals look like any of these recent incarnations, this is pure Bavasi slash and burn to save his arse.

For heaven's sake, there's nothing wrong with saying "f*ck it" if they are asking for too much.

[Ex-hippie]

Wait a second... now we're getting Roberts in the deal... and the cost is Triunfel? It gets worse, not better?

Mind you, I really like the idea of trying to get Roberts. "Small ball" may be out of vogue -- but if you're going to do it, you should do it right. I would envision Roberts batting leadoff and getting on base for Ichiro in the #2 spot. Opponents could choose to hold Roberts on the bag, leaving a big gap for a lefty hitter who is literally one of the best ever at hitting 'em where the infielders ain't. Or they can field their positions normally and let Roberts run loose -- at a very high percentage, since they're not holding them. Since Ichiro is so good at getting the bat on the ball, they can also execute the hit-and-run at a high success rate. It could be fun to watch, and it beats the crap out of building your lineup around habitual out-makers like Juan Pierre.

But for Triunfel? F*ck no.

[Bow2Yao11]

Ok, it was just a rumor.....Roberts is not included in the deal

Roberts would've been nice as a #2 hitter but we need a middle-of-the-order masher more


We are getting only Bedard and we don't have to give up Triunfel (phew)


The trade is near completion and can probably be announced as early as
Monday.

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3229937

BEDARD AND FELIX BEST 1-2 PUNCH in the MLB!!!

[PhilipNelsonFan]

I'd probably be a lot cooler with this if Bavasi, you know, didn't just try to trade away the two best starting pitching prospects we have. Sherrill's expendable, Mickolio's expendable, and I've never been as high as some on Adam Jones. Losing both Butler AND Tillman strikes me as off-putting, especially since the next-best SP prospect (Aumont) won't be ready this decade.

[Basketball Jesus]

I would' t really say the two best. Sure, Tillman's the best of the bunch and will probably end up being one of the top-15 prospects in all of baseball next year but, at this point, so many other guys have passed Butler on the potential-polish chart that he's essentially organizational fodder with seemingly fleeting potential to be good. I'd be more upset to lose either Aumont or Ramirez than Butler.

[Bow2Yao11]

Get ready for the announcement guys!!!

Trade should be announced in the next 48 hours or so!!!

We just need Bedard to take his physical

We also need Bedard to sign an extension like Johan did with the Mets!!!

[Sweezo]

I'd say I'm rooting for Bedard to fail his physical...but for some reason I don't think that would stop the trade from happening. It would probably just give Bavasi a reason to throw in another prospect.

[Ex-hippie]

Oh, just get it over with already, guys. I can't take another article about how the deal is oh-so-close but not complete yet. Just put us out of our misery. We beg you.

[Ex-hippie]

Just for fun: my rankings of the worst trades in team history. All of this is off the top of my head, with no research.

10. Jose Cruz Jr. for Mike Timlin and Paul Spoljaric

9. Ken Griffey Jr. for Mike Cameron, Brett Tomko and Antonio Perez

8. Dave Henderson and Spike Owen for Mike Brown, Mike Trujillo, Rey Quinones and John Christensen

7. Adam Jones, George Sherrill, Chris Tillman, Tony Butler and Kam Mickolio for Erik Bedard (pending)

6. Bill Swift, Dave Burba and Mike Jackson for Kevin Mitchell and Mike Remlinger

5. Rick Honeycutt, Larry Cox, Mario Mendoza, Leon Roberts and Willie Horton for Richie Zisk, Bryan Allard, Steve Finch, Jerry Don Gleaton, Ken Clay and Rick Auerbach

4. Carlos Guillen for Ramon Santiago (even more offensive because Guillen was dumped so we could sign Rich Aurilia)

3. Tino Martinez, Jeff Nelson and Jim Mecir for Sterling Hitchcock and Russ Davis

2. David Ortiz for Dave Hollins

1. Jason Varitek and Derek Lowe for Heath Slocumb

[Sweezo]

Of those trades...I'd say the Cruz Jr. trade ended up being fine as Cruz wasn't quite the player we hoped he'd be, and the Griffey situation was us making do with a bad situation where a player demanded a trade to one market and one market only. Cameron was about as good as we could have hoped for as a replacement for Junior.

The Bedard trade sticks out as it's really the only one on the list where we're trading for a legitimate stud.

[Basketball Jesus]

Not a bad list there, hippie. I'm surprised no mention of the Rafael Soriano trade or the Danny Tartabull deal (which is probably the worst pre-Sox trade in team history), though, and I'd probably remove the David Ortiz trade because nobody thought he'd end up being the player he is today.

[NateMustGo]

Just for fun: my rankings of the worst trades in team history. All of this is off the top of my head, with no research.

10. Jose Cruz Jr. for Mike Timlin and Paul Spoljaric

9. Ken Griffey Jr. for Mike Cameron, Brett Tomko and Antonio Perez

8. Dave Henderson and Spike Owen for Mike Brown, Mike Trujillo, Rey Quinones and John Christensen

7. Adam Jones, George Sherrill, Chris Tillman, Tony Butler and Kam Mickolio for Erik Bedard (pending)

6. Bill Swift, Dave Burba and Mike Jackson for Kevin Mitchell and Mike Remlinger

5. Rick Honeycutt, Larry Cox, Mario Mendoza, Leon Roberts and Willie Horton for Richie Zisk, Bryan Allard, Steve Finch, Jerry Don Gleaton, Ken Clay and Rick Auerbach

4. Carlos Guillen for Ramon Santiago (even more offensive because Guillen was dumped so we could sign Rich Aurilia)

3. Tino Martinez, Jeff Nelson and Jim Mecir for Sterling Hitchcock and Russ Davis

2. David Ortiz for Dave Hollins

1. Jason Varitek and Derek Lowe for Heath Slocumb

Hippie I usally have alot of respect for what you write,but to put this trade down as seventh worse when these guys havent even played a game for us is crazy. You can't judge a trade like that when they havent even played yet? Man Hippie needs to lay off the hippie lettuce! I'm all for giving Bedard at least a start or two before we judge the trade. Oh ya and that SUPERSTAR AJones hes a sure fire first ballot Hall of Famer as soon as he puts on that Os uni!

[Ex-hippie]

Not a bad list there, hippie. I'm surprised no mention of the Rafael Soriano trade or the Danny Tartabull deal (which is probably the worst pre-Sox trade in team history), though, and I'd probably remove the David Ortiz trade because nobody thought he'd end up being the player he is today.

Oh man, I completely forgot Soriano. Yikes. Like I said, it was a top-of-my-head thing.

I did think of Tartabull, but Scott Bankhead did have some decent years for us, and Mike Kingery had a quite respectable career. Not a very good trade, but I didn't think it quite rose to the level of the all-time worst. Same can be said of Ivan Calderon for Scott Bradley. Bradley was actually supposed to be a pretty decent haul at the time, and probably should have played more instead of Dave Valle.

Another one I thought of was Tom Paciorek for a package centered around Jim Essian. But Paciorek's value was kind of inflated anyway, and he didn't do anything after leaving.

Also, a fine point by Sweezo on the Cruz Jr. trade. That one looked really, really bad at the time, and they surely could have gotten more value for Cruz. But then again, the same can be said for Arquimedez Pozo for Jeff Manto. Or Desi Relaford for Terry Mulholland. Those trades look better in retrospect because the players we traded away turned out not to be so hot.

P.S. MoMustGo: I guess I was pretty blatant with the flame bait, eh? Can't say I blame you for taking the bait. But still. I continue to believe this is too much to trade for Bedard.

Final edit: To Sweezo's other point that "the Bedard trade sticks out as it's really the only one on the list where we're trading for a legitimate stud," I guess the Kevin Mitchell trade falls in that category as well. People were projecting Mitchell to hit 50 homers in the Kingdome. I'm sure Bedard will pan out better than Mitchell did, but this does have a lot in common with the Mitchell trade: the team isn't quite ready to make the big move for an impact player and reach the top, but it trades away a lot of valuable pieces they could really miss down the road.

[Basketball Jesus]

Oh man, I completely forgot Soriano. Yikes. Like I said, it was a top-of-my-head thing.

In retrospect, you could somewhat justify the trade as a challenge trade for two young, injury-prone pitchers but, even then, everybody knew Ramirez was a decidedly sh*tty pitcher. Well, everybody except Bavasshat.

I did think of Tartabull, but Scott Bankhead did have some decent years for us, and Mike Kingery had a quite respectable career. Not a very good trade, but I didn't think it quite rose to the level of the all-time worst.

I think you might be confusing Mike Kingery with Dave Kingman Kingery was spectacularly awful with the Mariners:

http://www.baseball-reference.com/k/kingemi01.shtml

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[Ex-hippie]

Ugh. In researching Tartabull, I can