RS 24/25 - Mavs @ Jazz (Thu 9PM EST Tonight)

[daoneandonly]

We had meltdown here after game 1 in OKC series, this year we are a bit early.

Losing 4 one possession games in a row is tragic. But they're missing important players, Luka is far from MVP mode, Kidd is lost as normal and they're still knowing each other. That's positive look, but we can cry too.

We can also admit what most analysts and fans warned and predicted that Luka Ky and Klay shouldn't play all at once. Hence klay should go to the bench or another team

Hence, Klay might be with +7 on, +12 on/off the most impactful player.

All you have is +/- which once again said Josh Green was an impactful player. Wins and losses the most important metric (both Dallas' and Golden State's) is what matters, and those numbers show Klay sucks

[Bob8]

We had meltdown here after game 1 in OKC series, this year we are a bit early.

Losing 4 one possession games in a row is tragic. But they're missing important players, Luka is far from MVP mode, Kidd is lost as normal and they're still knowing each other. That's positive look, but we can cry too.

Bob, we were supposed to be a contender, we need a top4 seed absolutely (well I honestly expected better too) and a calm RS.

If you are ok with this start then you think this roster is not enough to win a title... And it's ok.

Otherwise even you can't accept what happened.

We have lost 4 closed games against some very good teams, not having many important players. That's it.

You might remember Clippers last year, when they got Harden, they couldn't win anything in that period, but they ended 4th in the end.

[Bob8]

We can also admit what most analysts and fans warned and predicted that Luka Ky and Klay shouldn't play all at once. Hence klay should go to the bench or another team

Hence, Klay might be with +7 on, +12 on/off the most impactful player.

All you have is +/- which once again said Josh Green was an impactful player. Wins and losses the most important metric (both Dallas' and Golden State's) is what matters, and those numbers show Klay sucks

Are you sure that you're understanding what those numbers means, he's averaging 30.3 minutes and Mavs are winning those minutes by 7 points and his replacements are -12 on 100 possessions. when he sits. Yes, Klay is a problem.

For the record Josh was - 2.1 on and - 6.9 on/off. Mavs were better, when he was on the bench.

Very interesting stat is, that Klay has far the highest offensive rating of his career.

Player, who you can be mad is Luka, because he sucks in the clutch. Good news is, that normally should change with bigger sample size. Be mad on Klay is just laughable.

[41Dirk41]

We had meltdown here after game 1 in OKC series, this year we are a bit early.

Losing 4 one possession games in a row is tragic. But they're missing important players, Luka is far from MVP mode, Kidd is lost as normal and they're still knowing each other. That's positive look, but we can cry too.

Bob, we were supposed to be a contender, we need a top4 seed absolutely (well I honestly expected better too) and a calm RS.

If you are ok with this start then you think this roster is not enough to win a title... And it's ok.

Otherwise even you can't accept what happened.

We have lost 4 closed games against some very good teams, not having many important players. That's it.

You might remember Clippers last year, when they got Harden, they couldn't win anything in that period, but they ended 4th in the end.

I like your optimism... Hope you are right my friend.

[Bob8]

Bob, we were supposed to be a contender, we need a top4 seed absolutely (well I honestly expected better too) and a calm RS.

If you are ok with this start then you think this roster is not enough to win a title... And it's ok.

Otherwise even you can't accept what happened.

We have lost 4 closed games against some very good teams, not having many important players. That's it.

You might remember Clippers last year, when they got Harden, they couldn't win anything in that period, but they ended 4th in the end.

I like your optimism... Hope you are right my friend.

You will have enough time for pessimism, if things go really south. We're not there yet.

[Maverick41]

A big problem is the lack of size at the 4 after PJ. Since PJ has been out, we've constantly gotten wrecked on the glass. Naji is too small and constantly ball watches instead of boxing out on a rebound. Maxi has been mostly injured. Omax is just too raw and still not ready to play at an NBA level.

The other problem is the guard play from the bench. Dinwiddie has been beyond trash to start. Hardy has played hard but he makes so many infuriating decisions.

I've said this before and I'll keep saying it. Klay is better off the bench. He can still play 30 minutes but as the flamethrower 6th man off the bench instead. It will settle the bench scoring and inserting a defensive player (Grimes or Naji) would help not letting teams go bonkers on us every 1st quarter and bring more energy. This is the formula that won us a lot of games, let's try it again.

[Bob8]

A big problem is the lack of size at the 4 after PJ. Since PJ has been out, we've constantly gotten wrecked on the glass. Naji is too small and constantly ball watches instead of boxing out on a rebound. Maxi has been mostly injured. Omax is just too raw and still not ready to play at an NBA level.

The other problem is the guard play from the bench. Dinwiddie has been beyond trash to start. Hardy has played hard but he makes so many infuriating decisions.

I've said this before and I'll keep saying it. Klay is better off the bench. He can still play 30 minutes but as the flamethrower 6th man off the bench instead. It will settle the bench scoring and inserting a defensive player (Grimes or Naji) would help not letting teams go bonkers on us every 1st quarter and bring more energy. This is the formula that won us a lot of games, let's try it again.

I don't understand obsession with Klay. He has far the best offensive rating of the team and his D is not the worst. He fits a lot better with Luka than Kyrie, so if you need to leave one of them out of the starting unit to play better D, should be Kyrie, who is not doing much in first Q anyway. Won't happen, but that would be strategically much more beneficial. Luka starts like he was used in previous seasons, then comes Kyrie and takes the Keys. Klay is playing the best with Luka, so he not starting doesn't look logical to me.

Offensive rtg,

Klay 119
Luka 115.1
Kyrie 114.7
Gafford 111
PJ 110

[Maverick41]

I don't understand obsession with Klay. He has far the best offensive rating of the team and his D is not the worst. He fits a lot better with Luka than Kyrie, so if you need to leave one of them out of the starting unit to play better D, should be Kyrie, who is not doing much in first Q anyway. Won't happen, but that would be strategically much more beneficial. Luka starts like he was used in previous seasons, then comes Kyrie and takes the Keys.

We know Kyrie coming off the bench would never happen. Klay already has last year and can do it again and arguably have more shots that way. The bench is starving for scoring.

Also we all know that the 1st quarter is usually Luka going 1v1 or PnR anyway. The minute somebody doubles, insert Klay. I agree with you that Klay plays better with Luka but he's useless out there in the early parts of games where almost every team doesn't double Luka right away.

[Bob8]

I don't understand obsession with Klay. He has far the best offensive rating of the team and his D is not the worst. He fits a lot better with Luka than Kyrie, so if you need to leave one of them out of the starting unit to play better D, should be Kyrie, who is not doing much in first Q anyway. Won't happen, but that would be strategically much more beneficial. Luka starts like he was used in previous seasons, then comes Kyrie and takes the Keys.

We know Kyrie coming off the bench would never happen. Klay already has last year and can do it again and arguably have more shots that way. The bench is starving for scoring.

Also we all know that the 1st quarter is usually Luka going 1v1 or PnR anyway. The minute somebody doubles, insert Klay. I agree with you that Klay plays better with Luka but he's useless out there in the early parts of games where almost every team doesn't double Luka right away.

If Luka was running picks from the begging, like he had in previous seasons, Klay would have had numerous open shots, for some reason Mavs are playing some unorganised ball with multiple players playmaking and Luka being thought of playing off ball.

They promised Klay to start, he's too big star to just forget that promise.