This is how I would bet

oldeagle · Post #1 » by **oldeagle** » Fri Mar 28, 2008 2:08 am

I bet the Mavs won't make the playoffs. I will tell you why.
Look at every year since Avery has been coaching.
First year-finals
second year-67 regular season wins and first round loss.
This year won't make the playoffs.
Don't get me wrong. I would love for the Mavs to win it all. but as far as money goes,,,,I don't think they will make it.

Post #2 » by **DDansby123** » Fri Mar 28, 2008 2:53 am

The Mavs are proving game-in and game-out to be a group of heartless wimps. This team is so scared in crunch time and in close games, it's ridiculous. I won't be sad if we miss the playoffs and blow this thing up in the offseason if this continues.

Being short on talent is one thing (and we obviously are), but being short on guts and determination is another. And no, that's not all Avery Johnson's fault (just to nip that in the bud). Some, yes, but not all.

oldeagle · Post #3 » by **oldeagle** » Fri Mar 28, 2008 2:58 am

What a crock of laksdjflakjdf;ljas It is Avery's fault no ifs ands or buts...he was given a good team and has run it into the gournd...The team has talent... Avery refuses to use the talent and stick to his system...Avery couldn't coach his way out of paper bag...with a pair of scissors.

Teffer10 · Post #4 » by **Teffer10** » Fri Mar 28, 2008 4:11 am

Instead of bashing Avery so much, we should be thankful that he was able to motivate a team to play way over their heads and get to the finals one season and then win 67 reg season games the next.

I do agree that it may be time for him to move on but this team never had the talent to go all of the way without playing over its head.

This team should be restructured in the off season and I hope we have a draft pick to help. I wouldn't mind Larry Brown taking over the team next season.

JES12 · Post #5 » by **JES12** » Fri Mar 28, 2008 4:23 am

Looks like the Maverick's stock too.

Teffer10 · Post #6 » by **Teffer10** » Fri Mar 28, 2008 4:29 am

DDansby123 wrote:The Mavs are proving game-in and game-out to be a group of heartless wimps. This team is so scared in crunch time and in close games, it's ridiculous. I won't be sad if we miss the playoffs and blow this thing up in the offseason if this continues.

Being short on talent is one thing (and we obviously are), but being short on guts and determination is another. And no, that's not all Avery Johnson's fault (just to nip that in the bud). Some, yes, but not all.

I agree that we should blow this up in the off season. The question is how?

We have virtually no trade value unless we want to part with Dirk. Howard, Terry, Stack, and maybe Kidd should be gone. I wouldn't mind keeping Kidd if we could get the right pieces around him.

I'm just afraid that Cuban is going to half-ass this thing in the off season and we will become the Knicks of the west.

If we are going to rebuild, we might as well start from scratch and part with Dirk. However, if we can add 2 solid players in or around their prime to go with Dirk and Kidd, I'd be happy with that.

I still think Kidd/VC/Marion/Dirk/Damp is very realistic and something that would give us a decent chance.

If we go the rebuild route, I'd consider trading Dirk and Howard in some type of 3 team deal that would net us 2 lotto picks to go along with the one we will probably have and some young talent.

I would much rather go the Kidd/VC/Marion/Dirk/Damp route though. That should be pretty simple to accomplish if our DAM FO had the guts to pull it off.

I can honestly say that I will not be a Mav fan next season if Terry and Stack are part of this team's core.

JES12 · Post #7 » by **JES12** » Fri Mar 28, 2008 4:39 am

Teffer10 wrote:I would much rather go the Kidd/VC/Marion/Dirk/Damp route though. That should be pretty simple to accomplish if our DAM FO had the guts to pull it off.

I can honestly say that I will not be a Mav fan next season if Terry and Stack are part of this team's core.

How do you plan to accomplish this?

Howard & Stack for Marion I can see happening, but how do you get Carter, Redd, Miller or any other SG?

The only way I can see that is maybe a 3 team deal where Terry goes elswhere, Eddie Jones goes to NJ before his opt out deadline and the other teams sends something of value to NJ. And that is very unlikely.

I feel our best option is to hope some 8-10 mil player signs for MLE and Howard+ for the other swing player.

I'd still go with Howard & Terry for Wallce & J-Rich.

dirkforpres · Post #8 » by **dirkforpres** » Fri Mar 28, 2008 4:58 am

Mavs are teh suck.

Teffer10 · Post #9 » by **Teffer10** » Fri Mar 28, 2008 5:45 am

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Here is how I think that could be accomplished:

1. Howard, Terry and 09 draft pick for Marion.

2. Stack and George (S&T) for VC.

George would probably do this because he would get some big bucks for one year.
NJ would save a ton of money by virtually dumping Carter.

JES12 · Post #10 » by **JES12** » Fri Mar 28, 2008 6:13 am

We don't have a 2009 pick unless you are talking about 2nd round pick.

Marion is not worth both Howard and Terry. (overpaying)

NJ would want more than Stack & George (underpaying)

Darren · Post #11 » by **Darren** » Fri Mar 28, 2008 2:28 pm

I'd a matter of trust and legitimacy. After all the blame and disappointment, the players no longer trust the "Avery blueprint". They're looking for himself. While Mark gets the fat contract to them, they have no motivation to play with discipline. That's what I have seen so far.

Teffer10 · Post #12 » by **Teffer10** » Fri Mar 28, 2008 3:17 pm

JES12 wrote:We don't have a 2009 pick unless you are talking about 2nd round pick.

Marion is not worth both Howard and Terry. (overpaying)

NJ would want more than Stack & George (underpaying)

Who has our 09 pick...what trade did we give that up in? It is my understanding that we would only lose the 09 pick if we end up in the lotto this season.

Marion is an upgrade over Howard. If anything, Terry's contract would decrease the value of Howard so I think Miami would be the team that would want more.

Why wouldn't NJ want to save all of that money? They were trying to dump him for anything they could get at TDL. George would be an expiring and Stack's contract is much shorter. We might have to add something but I think that deal or something similar is very doable. Cuban would be the one that wouldn't want to overpay for Carter.

jwa1107 · Post #13 » by **jwa1107** » Fri Mar 28, 2008 7:02 pm

dirkforpres wrote:Mavs are teh suk.

Sken · Post #14 » by **Sken** » Sat Mar 29, 2008 12:09 am

Teffer10 wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

Who has our 09 pick...what trade did we give that up in? It is my understanding that we would only lose the 09 pick if we end up in the lotto this season.

Marion is an upgrade over Howard. If anything, Terry's contract would decrease the value of Howard so I think Miami would be the team that would want more.

Why wouldn't NJ want to save all of that money? They were trying to dump him for anything they could get at TDL. George would be an expiring and Stack's contract is much shorter. We might have to add something but I think that deal or something similar is very doable. Cuban would be the one that wouldn't want to overpay for Carter.

There is absolutely NO way Dallas can trade the pick... you cannot trade "2 consecutive future picks" and the '10 pick is property of NJ (that rule is why the traded picks were a year apart).

RE VC - I don't think Kidd would be happy at that chain of events. If that were the direction we are to go I would attempt a Stack, Jones, George (S&T) for Vince...

That package should land a MAX paid player who is in need of a change of scenery. Would that deal help if it was used for a Jermaine O'Neal? maybe IF Dallas could secure Marion with that deal it would definitely help, but Miami would definitely want some type of pick and/or young player to make that deal...

JES12 · Post #15 » by **JES12** » Sat Mar 29, 2008 12:13 am

Teffer10 wrote:Who has our 09 pick...what trade did we give that up in? It is my understanding that we would only lose the 09 pick if we end up in the lotto this season.

Marion is an upgrade over Howard. If anything, Terry's contract would decrease the value of Howard so I think Miami would be the team that would want more.

Why wouldn't NJ want to save all of that money? They were trying to dump him for anything they could get at TDL. George would be an expiring and Stack's contract is much shorter. We might have to add something but I think that deal or something similar is very doable. Cuban would be the one that wouldn't want to overpay for Carter.

1) Let me re-pharse that...we don't have a tradeable 2009 1st round pick as you can't trade 2 consecutive picks prior to draft night. Now in 2009 on draft night, we can draft & then trade like the Wizards did with Harris.

2) Terry should still have value around the league as a starter.

3) If the Nets wanted to trade Carter for expirings or near expirings, a deal would have been made by trade deadline IMO. But who knows, I could be wrong...this was, after all, the same GM that raped the Mavs in the Kidd trade.

Teffer10 · Post #16 » by **Teffer10** » Sat Mar 29, 2008 3:30 pm

JES12 wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

1) Let me re-pharse that...we don't have a tradeable 2009 1st round pick as you can't trade 2 consecutive picks prior to draft night. Now in 2009 on draft night, we can draft & then trade like the Wizards did with Harris.

2) Terry should still have value around the league as a starter.

3) If the Nets wanted to trade Carter for expirings or near expirings, a deal would have been made by trade deadline IMO. But who knows, I could be wrong...this was, after all, the same GM that raped the Mavs in the Kidd trade.

Okay...that makes sense.

Do you know if we would lose the 09 draft pick if we pick in the lottery this year?
Norm has been harping about that on the Ticket.
Also, if we don't make the POs, we would be able to trade the 09 pick wouldn't we?

I think the problem with VC is that his contract is ridiculous. Similar to Terry and Damp, VC is a good player that many teams would love to have but don't want any part of that contract.

IMO, VC is a player the Mavs could procure without giving up any core players. Guys like Redd, Miller, and Maggette would be better but we would probably have to give up Howard to get one of them.

I do like your Terry/Howard for Wallace/Richardson idea though. Even if we had to include someone like Wright, it would still be interesting.