Dallas + Kidd - Diop - Harris = Fail

[Dundaliz]

I think people are underestimating how much more important having quality and depth at center will be even more so than having a great point guard and leader. One of the two positions is the most important position on the court and it's not point guard.

I personally am hoping Cuban can pull something out of the hat this off-season to open up our window again because I just can't see it happening this year with so many quality teams in the West whom are clearly better than the Mavs with or without Kidd. It was never gonna happen anyway this year with Harris and Diop but at least the window was there even three or four years down the track should Harris continue to get better, plus we would have more pieces to trade to surround him and the others with better talent.

Though I'm still gonna support the team and am still excited about seeing what we can do with Kidd.

[Darren]

It's very interesting to see how Mavs fans react. They complain about DG's objection in the first place and complain about the downside of the trade after 1 game.

I'm a fierce supporter to Devin and no impressed by J.Kidd.
If this's what had been done, you can let it be & see what happen.
It's the year to make the choice - fully rebuild or compete regardless.

Or we can do neither next offseason. Unfortunately, Mark decides to gamble despite promising future. You know, I am a supporter of rebuild. Trading Dirk, we can get a roster with enough talents like Altanta. And we are bound to top few picks for a couple of years.
While Devin and others mature, we would have a really strong team.
Good PG & C are rare. And we have both but trades them away.

Our problems come from locker room. AJ's 3-year plan fails. No one is listening to him. Dirk has put too much blame on his teammates' inability to step up in playoff. The locker room is just chaotic. All of them are looking for jumpers. The so-call leaders - JET and Stack - both fits this category.

You can say this is caused by Mark's generosity as well. He pays too much to JET and Stack to make them too comfortable and stop the Mavs from getting real values in trades.

Anyway, let's it be. The trade deadline has passed. If you're too disappointed, let's be patience or support another teams. That's nothing we can do.

[sule]

With Kidd, the Mavs are much more legit, IMO. Kidd has no choice but to bring it during the playoffs. If he doesn't, he'll probably never have another chance to win again.

[FreakOfNAture]

Agreed. You can't underestimate the hunger of a veteran and savvy player who realizes this is likely his last shot at a ring.

[Ozek]

So far, Mavs + Kidd have 3 wins versus horrible teams and 3 losses versus playoff teams.

Versus LA, Dampier fouls out and Dirk has to guard Gasol. End of game, Kidd drives and Gasol smartly just backs up to let Kidd shoot a wide open 15 footer. Of course he misses. Like I said, no smart coach is gonna have someone come off of Dirk / Terry / Stack to guard Kidd. They let Kidd shoot and we lose.

This is what I foresee and I stand by my original post. Dampier will foul out and Kidd will miss open shots while Dirk & Terry are covered tight. This trade = fail.

[DDansby123]

So far, Mavs + Kidd have 3 wins versus horrible teams and 3 losses versus playoff teams.

Versus LA, Dampier fouls out and Dirk has to guard Gasol. End of game, Kidd drives and Gasol smartly just backs up to let Kidd shoot a wide open 15 footer. Of course he misses. Like I said, no smart coach is gonna have someone come off of Dirk / Terry / Stack to guard Kidd. They let Kidd shoot and we lose.

This is what I foresee and I stand by my original post. Dampier will foul out and Kidd will miss open shots while Dirk & Terry are covered tight. This trade = fail.

I think you forgot the green font.

[Ozek]

Yes, this trade is still fail. Anyone still need more proof? Kidd showed us how useless he is guarding Chris Paul and also how bad he guards other guards (Pargo).

Who would you rather have had guarding West - Diop, or Dampier? Even a blind man who can only listen to the radio would still know that Diop is the only choice.

Who would you rather have guarding Paul and Pargo - Harris, or Kidd? After what we just witnessed, no one should say Kidd.

[JES12]

Agreed. You can't underestimate the hunger of a veteran and savvy player who realizes this is likely his last shot at a ring.

[JES12]

I think you forgot the green font.

Don't expect anyone to admit they are wrong, but the green font remark was

[Patterns]

HAHAHAHHA. The OP was spot on.

And some of the rebels were right when they said that Diop was needed to guard people like West/Chandler.

[DDansby123]

-= original quote snipped =-

Don't expect anyone to admit they are wrong, but the green font remark was

Where to begin, where to begin...

First, the green font remark was based on the idea that Kidd shooting equals a loss for us. The guy came here and shot 46% on 3's after you and others said he couldn't shoot a lick, and you're calling ME out?

Second, I've admitted being wrong on numerous occasions here, and I certainly don't need you (with all your obvious integrity) telling me when I need to do so. You pulled the same classless BS in another thread. Of course, you seem to enjoy using my name in a lot of your posts, so that's not wholly unexpected.

Third, the irony in you telling me to admit my mistakes is incredibly funny.

Fourth, I'm not surprised that the We Hate Kidd Crew is out en masse to pat themselves on the collective back. Of course, they would've done that regardless of the outcome in the playoffs, so, again, it's not surprising.


Regardless, yes, the Kidd trade was a failure this season. It's not the end of the world, nor the beginning of the Mavs' demise.

[JES12]

Mr play on words trying to weasel himself out of another lost argument.

1) You quoted the entire post, not the 3 pt shooting part (which there was no 3 pt shooting part), therefore, your comeback is wrong, irrelevant and just another half *** attempt of weaseling out of another post in which you try to act all mighty and fail miserably.
2) I've never, ever seen you admit you were wrong (not to say that you haven

[DDansby123]

Mr play on words trying to weasel himself out of another lost argument.

You've won our arguments. All of them. You were 100% correct on everything, and I was 100% wrong. You correctly predicted every single thing that would happen with this Mavs team, and I didn't. Are you satisfied now?

1) You quoted the entire post, not the 3 pt shooting part (which there was no 3 pt shooting part), therefore, your comeback is wrong, irrelevant and just another half *** attempt of weaseling out of another post in which you try to act all mighty and fail miserably.

If you weren't so pathetic, I'd be laughing my butt off. I'm trying to explain my reasoning behind the post, and you just go off and, once again, assume you know everything. You're convinced I'm wrong no matter what I tell you. Honestly, dude, I have no reason, none at all, to go back and try to make stuff up after the fact to cover up some mistake I made. I'm telling you I was focusing on the Kidd shooting side of that argument, along partially with the Dampier will foul out part. If you think I'm lying or trying to get out of an argument (that I've already admitted being wrong about, no less), then I guess that's your prerogative.

2) I've never, ever seen you admit you were wrong (not to say that you haven