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rotation change??? 

Post#1 » by TheLSUMaverick » Wed Jul 30, 2008 5:44 am

Ok now i know this is post is going to have everyone wanting my head....BUT...
I think that this move could maybe work. Why can't we move Brandon Bass to the 3?
Ok now i know that Bass can't shoot the ball half as well as howard but this could allow
J-Ho to swing to the 2 and would add someone who is not scared to take the ball to the
hoop. My only main concern will be his ability to guard some of the quicker 3's. Maybe
I just answered my own question but i would really like to give this a try. I think this could
allow us to be tougher on all spots of the floor. Now i'm not saying lets do this right away
and it will fix our team i just wanna know...would you give this a try??
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Post#2 » by italy_23 » Wed Jul 30, 2008 5:47 am

problem here is that howard is not a 2 by himself, bass not a 3. while I could even see bass at the 3 offensively, I dont know how he could be able to defend the other 3s.
the only way I'd play howard at shooting guard is if we got a second star at the 3
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Post#3 » by JES12 » Wed Jul 30, 2008 6:31 am

Everyone keeps saying Bass is not quick enough to be a 3, but I, for one, do not believe that at all. He seems quick enough on the defensive side to guard 3s, but I don't know about offensivley. i still want to see them do it.

Diop (or Damp) / Dirk / Bass / Howard / Kidd

I want to see that linup and I want to see if for extended minutes and until i do, any statement that says "Bass can't play the 3" automatically goes in one ear and out the other as an unfounded statement.
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Post#4 » by TheLSUMaverick » Wed Jul 30, 2008 7:54 am

JES12 wrote:Everyone keeps saying Bass is not quick enough to be a 3, but I, for one, do not believe that at all. He seems quick enough on the defensive side to guard 3s, but I don't know about offensivley. i still want to see them do it.

Diop (or Damp) / Dirk / Bass / Howard / Kidd

I want to see that linup and I want to see if for extended minutes and until i do, any statement that says "Bass can't play the 3" automatically goes in one ear and out the other as an unfounded statement.


I personally think he can play the 3 and would love to see it. I have been screaming
thisfor so long. I beleive we would attack the rim so much more with this lineup
out there and ithink that is this teams problem...we don't attack as much as we
should too much stop and shoot.Bass is very mobile and i think this would work
out perfectly. We could maybe let Dirk start comming out a little bit more to
spread the defense and allow Bass to attack the basket with his
power. Defensively i think he would be perfect on 3's like lebron and ron artest.
But i do agree with you JES12 it might be tough to get him going offensively
against some of the 3's. He would have to work on his jumper a lot more as well.
I'm not saying lets do this for the entire season i'm
simply saying lets try it for maybe the pre season and see how this works.
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Post#5 » by littlemav » Wed Jul 30, 2008 2:15 pm

I have been saying the same thing as you. I think putting bass at the 3 will force teams to adjust to us on offense. I don't see any reason not to try it. everytime down the court either dirk or bass is going to have a mismatch. its almost like the opposite of nellie-ball, but w/ the same effect
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Post#6 » by Realmavsman » Wed Jul 30, 2008 2:18 pm

I do not see Bass as a 3 at all. And I don't see Howard as a 2. While I am not against experimenting, I see that experiment as a failure.

I got some flack for suggesting we stick Gerald Green in the starting lineup at the 2 and leave Howard at 3. Green should work well with Kidd and I still see him as the best shooting option at the 2 unless you want to bring JET back to the starting lineup. Of course maybe Antione Wright would be an option at starting SG. I prefer to keep JET as the 6th man shooting PG of the 2nd unit. I like a 2nd unit of:

JET
Wright
Stack
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Post#7 » by catalyst » Wed Jul 30, 2008 2:39 pm

JES12 wrote:Diop (or Damp) / Dirk / Bass / Howard / Kidd

I want to see that linup and I want to see if for extended minutes and until i do, any statement that says "Bass can't play the 3" automatically goes in one ear and out the other as an unfounded statement.


That was going to be my comment after reading the thread. Lets try it out and see. That is what the pre-season is for.
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Post#8 » by myconsumerclub » Wed Jul 30, 2008 3:06 pm

Till it gets tried we will never know so just try MBT so we can stop having to read these types of threads and by the way it's Howards handles I am most worried about if we do this. he has shown no ability to pass or dribble lately and that concerns me as well. A 2 guard should be 2nd in assists on your team behind the PG.
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Post#9 » by Realmavsman » Wed Jul 30, 2008 3:13 pm

Here is the problem with this experiment:

1. Bass may be very quick for a PF. He may not be quick enough to guard SF.
2. Howard does not have the handles for SG.
3. We have been complaining about the lack of another shooter in the starting lineup to take pressure off of Dirk and now we want to add Bass to the starting lineup. Bass may be a fine shooter from 15 ft and in but that will not help spread the floor for Dirk at all. Other teams can again run everyone at Dirk and clog the middle forcing the other guys to knock down shots. Who is going to hit them, Kidd, Howard, Bass and Damp....I don't think so.
4. Two wrongs don't make a right. Putting two guys out of position is not the answer to our problems.

Here is unique idea. How about we put someone at SG that actually is a SG. Someone that is the size of a SG. Someone that can actually shoot the basketball. Someone with the size and quickness to guard other SGs.
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Post#10 » by cedric76 » Sun Sep 14, 2008 9:23 am

seems like carlisle like diop a lot,wouldnt be surprised if he was pushing for diop to get the full MLE
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Post#11 » by JD45 » Sun Sep 14, 2008 4:21 pm

I think Bass could play some SF. He may not be fast enough to be a good man defender, but a zone could cover for him. And he can block shots, so could provide decent help defense. Offense is easy. He plays PF on offense with Dirk at SF.
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Post#12 » by crucifixx » Sun Sep 14, 2008 5:22 pm

You all act as if a SG has to have a much better handling than a SF. But really a SG and a SF has the same duties and everything. I for one would like to see this happening, at least in the preseason.
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Post#13 » by DDansby123 » Sun Sep 14, 2008 11:09 pm

There are definitely benefits to this, but there a couple of issues that really worry me.

First, this puts yet another guy on the floor who can't handle the ball or pass well offensively (i.e., another isolation-focused player). To make this work, Carlisle would have to implement some type of motion offense with a lot of movement and screens...but where only two players (Dirk and Kidd) handle the bulk of the passing....and where the C doesn't come outside the lane. I'm not even sure such a system would work, but I do know it would take a commitment beyond simply experimenting in the preseason.

Second, it places Josh Howard in the roles of #2 offensive option AND defensive stopper. I don't think Josh wants that, so I don't think it'd work.

Personally, I think there's just as much merit to playing Bass at C.
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Post#14 » by jwa1107 » Mon Sep 15, 2008 6:07 pm

JD45 wrote:I think Bass could play some SF. He may not be fast enough to be a good man defender, but a zone could cover for him. And he can block shots, so could provide decent help defense. Offense is easy. He plays PF on offense with Dirk at SF.


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