At what point do you pull the plug on this Mav team?

[Pointguard01]

I'd rather have 2 more years of winning seasons and playoff appearances before we go back to a long playoff drought.

And 2 years behind rebuild? Two years behind what? Our next failed team? Are you in such a rush to get to the next failed Mavs? Ten years from now is ten years from now. 2 playoff appearences + 8 year drought is better than a 10 year drought IMHO. Two year now or two year at the end of that ten year? Right now may be closer to the Chip than our next 5 rebuilding phases.

So your answer, is 'I care"!!!!!!!!!

I'd think by now playoff appearances mean little to Mavericks fans. No saying that we cant be appreciative of them and know how bad we were in the 90s, but if playoff appearances really satisfy you, then we are just on completely different viewpoint.

[daoneandonly]

Agreed, its not enough to make the playoffs just to have an early exit. Its time to start over, start with dirk, get the best possible offer you can, then do the same with howard and kidd, its the best option

[DDansby123]

I'd think by now playoff appearances mean little to Mavericks fans. No saying that we cant be appreciative of them and know how bad we were in the 90s, but if playoff appearances really satisfy you, then we are just on completely different viewpoint.

I was a huge fan of the Mavs in the lowly 90s, just as I am now. Honestly, I wouldn't mind at all going back to those 20-win seasons if the team played hard and it was part of a clear, precise rebuilding plan. The 90s were so bad for Mavs fans, because the rebuilding plan was never clear, nor was it properly executed. The three Js stunk as a plan to begin with, and the Big 3 rebuild really took about 5 years from Finley's arrival to the playoffs because of poor execution.

If we start now, tear this thing down completely, and rebuild it properly, we could have a two- or three-year playoff hiatus. If we keep trying with what we have until we're forced to rebuild completely from scratch (i.e., cap space and picks, but no young players already on board), it could be the 90s all over again.

[HMFFL]

Well we are behind Memphis in the standings... Thats reason enough for me to pull the plug. Start trading 2 or even all of the big 3 for some young talent and expirings and just try to rebuild from scratch. Draft picks could go a long way if we can work a deal for those... I like the way the draft looks this year

Who has Memphis exactly played? Orlando and Denver are about the only hard games they've had to this point and Orlando started the season off VERY slow. They destroyed a hurting Golden State team twice. I'm not trying to take anything away from Memphis, because the team is full of talent, and it's foundation is set for years. However, Dallas has had a much harder schedule, but will see how we do against Memphis on the 21st.

[Realmavsman]

It is with great sadness that I say it is time to get rid of Dirk. Not because I think he sucks or anything like that but because he will only have really value for another year or two. Since the team can go nowhere as it is currently contructed I would like to some real value for Dirk. I would also look to trade Kidd and Howard. We should get the best deal we can get which included young players and draft picks. This is going to have to go further down before we start going up again. I don't see this team improving with older players who have peaked already

[JES12]

I'd rather have 2 more years of winning seasons and playoff appearances before we go back to a long playoff drought.

And 2 years behind rebuild? Two years behind what? Our next failed team? Are you in such a rush to get to the next failed Mavs? Ten years from now is ten years from now. 2 playoff appearences + 8 year drought is better than a 10 year drought IMHO. Two year now or two year at the end of that ten year? Right now may be closer to the Chip than our next 5 rebuilding phases.

So your answer, is 'I care"!!!!!!!!!

I'd think by now playoff appearances mean little to Mavericks fans. No saying that we cant be appreciative of them and know how bad we were in the 90s, but if playoff appearances really satisfy you, then we are just on completely different viewpoint.

You missed the point completely. Playoff appearneces satisfy me a whole lot more than watching us lose day in and day out. That is what you are looking for if you rebuild. And most teams rebuild 5-10 times becore they get a championship contending team out there. That is a lot of losing!!!!! Are you satisfied with that? Because if you are, then you are right, we have completely different viewpoints.

[JES12]

I'd think by now playoff appearances mean little to Mavericks fans. No saying that we cant be appreciative of them and know how bad we were in the 90s, but if playoff appearances really satisfy you, then we are just on completely different viewpoint.

I was a huge fan of the Mavs in the lowly 90s, just as I am now. Honestly, I wouldn't mind at all going back to those 20-win seasons if the team played hard and it was part of a clear, precise rebuilding plan. The 90s were so bad for Mavs fans, because the rebuilding plan was never clear, nor was it properly executed. The three Js stunk as a plan to begin with, and the Big 3 rebuild really took about 5 years from Finley's arrival to the playoffs because of poor execution.

If we start now, tear this thing down completely, and rebuild it properly, we could have a two- or three-year playoff hiatus. If we keep trying with what we have until we're forced to rebuild completely from scratch (i.e., cap space and picks, but no young players already on board), it could be the 90s all over again.

You trust our front office with doing that correctly? And if you think it will be 2-3 years, you are way off.

[DDansby123]

I don't trust the front office to do things right, but that's part of the rebuild (gutting the front office). Whether we're rebuilding or staying mediocre, I don't trust the existing front office. Of course, the biggest problem with the front office is that they fail to properly value their existing players, and thus they don't know when to rebuild or just retool. If they actually started rebuilding right now, I'd have much more faith in them.

[Blowitupalready]

I that Dirk could be a great 2nd option on a championship team. Given the fact that he is the best player in franchise history, it will not be easy for Cubes to move him and hope that he can still fill the seats. If you dump the right salaries now so yoo can make a FA splash in 2010 and strike gold in the lottery, you could be a contender again in 2011. Will Dirk be too old? I don't think so but if we don't rebuild fast enough around him he will have to go.

[DDansby123]

This from Eddie Sefko...

The Mavericks would be well-advised to take a good look at the Lakers. They were in worse shape last year than the Mavericks are now and managed to stay the course and not panic.

This is the same false way of thinking the Mavs have gone through for years. How many seasons have we been "one player away" from a championship? And if it takes a miracle trade to make it happen (a la Pau Gasol to the Lakers), that's an even longer shot.

[ppp000]

To be honest, Dirk already calling out the effort after 6 games (ha), is pretty telling to me about how he feels about this team.

I think a lot of us have seen this progressive downhill trend while the rest of the West got much stronger. There is NOT one iota of belief (for me at least) that this team will achieve anything in the playoffs..that is, if they even make it. Even when they won 67 games and appeared at the top of the world, they couldn't get it done in the playoffs. What makes anyone possibly think that this worse version in a tougher conference can do anything. Right now what I see is basically a one man offense with a very very streaky supporting cast.

The fact that the most promising player in our SG rotation is Gerald Green tells the story of the talent (lack thereof) on this roster.

[Blowitupalready]

I saw an earlier post that compared the Mavs to the Lakers situation last year before Gasol. This is faulty logic for 2 reasons:

1. LA had useful garbage to deal to make them better, and

2. They had KOBE BRYANT, THE BEST SCORER ON THE PLANET.