Do We Still Blame The Kidd Trade?

[studcrackers]

how will the kidd trade help us rebuild? by taking on some other teams sh*tty contract and getting maybe 1 1st rounder? i just want to see a type of proposal that will help us rebuild, unless of course u mean letting him walk after the season

[DDansby123]

how will the kidd trade help us rebuild? by taking on some other teams sh*tty contract and getting maybe 1 1st rounder? i just want to see a type of proposal that will help us rebuild, unless of course u mean letting him walk after the season

$21M off the cap is the idea.

In a nutshell, here's a very rough outline of the rebuild...

- Dirk for young players and expirings (no need for picks unless it's pre-draft)
- Howard for younger, lesser talent (with smaller, longer-term contracts)
- Kidd's contract expires (unless we can add it to a deal and get young players)
- JET, Stack, and Damp for expirings
- Diop stays
- Bass and Green re-signed
- Wright and Williams stay or could be included in a deal if necessary


The ultimate goal is to get younger by acquiring players on rookie contracts or players with long-term but small deals (e.g., Daniel Gibson's deal at about 4M for 5 years.) and by getting as far under the salary cap as possible. The young players should be very solid role players (preferably with potential for more...like Gerald Green), and the better players should come from our own lottery picks and free agents.

[studcrackers]

the problem is i dont know the guy who would be a great target to get for dirk, most young teams w/talent right now in the league are on the upswing and dont need to trade for dirk b/c they're not a player away, and if i trade dirk i might try to get them to take JET or damp (which if you're a guy or 2 away they could actually help you out)

[SpeedyG]

Just tonight Harris had a 30 pt 8 assist (only 1 to) 6 red & 2 stl game. 1st game back. He brought the trailing Nets back to beat the then, 6-1, Hawks.

You need to give credit where credit is due. If you hate Harris, fine, but don't lie and say he is not doing well this year.

Hah nice. Why don't you take a look at the timestamp of my post and tell me I lied. You accuse me of not reading your post before, now I'll call you on the same thing. You accuse me of not calling it how I see it, why don't YOU do the same.

Devin has had two great games this year. One of which came after I made my post. He had a slow start to the season, had the game against Detroit, and then missed the next 3 games. Am I suppose to say he's doing great based on that? Hell, despite those 2 MONSTER games, Devin is still shooting 42% from the field. That just shows badly he was playing prior to those two.

And what else did I NOT call it as I see in my previous post?

a) Was it when I said the Mavs needed a third scorer, which I acknowledged to be somethng that Devin played a role for when he was in Dallas?

b) Was it when I said the Mavs don't have finishers?

c) Was it when I said Kidd is on the decline?

d) Or was it when I said Kidd is not part of the Mavericks future?

Oh, and BTW. Look what I found:

I know Harris schooled Iverson and broke Stucky's ankles the other day, but thus far this year, Kidd >> Harris

Ooops. Looks like, up until last night's game, you were agreeing with me.

1) My bad on the time stamp.

2) No, I never said Harris was playing bad, so I did NOT agree with you. Just because Kidd >> Harris thus far (at the point I wrote that) does not mean Harris was not doing great, so don't even try to imply I was saying something I wasn't.

3) In today's game, Harris has 33 pts, on 9/15 shooting, 13-14 Ft (thats 45/50 in the last 3 games), 10 assists (only 1 to), 3 reb and a 2 steals. Now, I can say Harris >= Kidd this year in addition to last year (which was already fact).

If you thought Harris was the better player than Kidd last year, and Kidd has continued his decline this year (still a good PG though), and yet Kidd >> Harris (that's two greater than symbols btw), then wouldn't that mean that Harris wasn't playing well?

It's a moot point now anyway, since Harris has been beasting the past few games.

[SpeedyG]

I think that would be true if they hadn't let that 2010 pick go with no protection. Otherwise, they could be shopping Dirk and Josh now and getting substantial value for them. Well, maybe for Dirk.

Why can they not get substantial value now? I don't see how the pick enters into it.

But even then, I think they would be much better off with Devin. He would be the first piece of the rebuilding. Trading Dirk for another good young player and then a little lottery luck and the Mavs are right back in it.

If the Mavs would have actually built around Devin, of course. Unfortunately, I don't think that was EVER going to happen here, which is why I thought we ought to trade him and get value for him. If we hadn't dealt him in the Kidd trade, we probably would've dealt him in the offseason or would be looking at dealing him now. The FO screwed up on Harris from the moment they were thinking of drafting him.


Regardless, the trade's done. We can sit and cry about how bad it was and whine about how we don't have a 2010 pick, or we can actually look forward and see how the Kidd trade has actually helped us rebuild.

The trade doesn't preclude the Mavs from trading Dirk for good value. The problem is that, by trading Dirk, you are weaking your team 10 fold, which pretty much guarantees this team a trip to the lottery. Only, the pick belongs to New Jersey.

Also, Dallas further hurt its chances of rebuilding by signing Diop to that long-term deal, although one could argue they would have given him that money regardless of Harris or Kidd was here.

[DDansby123]

The trade doesn't preclude the Mavs from trading Dirk for good value. The problem is that, by trading Dirk, you are weaking your team 10 fold, which pretty much guarantees this team a trip to the lottery. Only, the pick belongs to New Jersey.

Trading Dirk would weaken our team 10-fold? GREAT! Lottery picks, here we come.


For all Mavs fans, let's just review which of our picks we still have...

Mavs keep: 2009, 2011, 2012, 2013, 2014, 2015, 2016, 2017, 2018, 2019....
Mavs lose: 2010

Damn guys, we better stay mediocre for awhile, because we don't have any picks left!


The issue isn't what we're giving up; it's what are we keeping. Would you guys rather keep a mid-teens, early-20s pick or a lottery pick? It's that simple.

Also, Dallas further hurt its chances of rebuilding by signing Diop to that long-term deal, although one could argue they would have given him that money regardless of Harris or Kidd was here.

Paying a player 10% of the salary cap hurts our rebuilding chances? Eh, not so much.

[JES12]

If you thought Harris was the better player than Kidd last year, and Kidd has continued his decline this year (still a good PG though), and yet Kidd >> Harris (that's two greater than symbols btw), then wouldn't that mean that Harris wasn't playing well?

It's a moot point now anyway, since Harris has been beasting the past few games.

No, that meant that at that point, Kidd was playing above his level. The past few games are closer to his true ability.