Interesting trade idea with the Cats.

[JES12]

As many of you know, because of the contract structure, injury history and slightly less talent, I hold a much hugher trade value on Howard than on Wallace, but here is a trade more reasonable than many of the offers on the trade forum for Wallace.

Howard
Bass
Diop
Stackhouse

for

Wallace
Richardson
Nazr

Reason's why I like it: Dallas fills out their starting 5...Kidd-Richardson-Wallace-Dirk-Dampier. Clearly an upgrade to our starting 5. It shaves 2 years off of Diop's salary. Bass can be re-signed by us just as well in the off season as he would now...and if not, there are many backup PFs available (Gooden, Wilcox, Milsap, Bass, McDyess (maybe)).

Reason's why I don't like it...found a center that Diop is actually better than...like by a lot. Our center/PF depth would hurt with Singleton-Williams-Nazr. We lose out at any of the 2010 free agents that will get more than the MLE. Run the risk of Wallace being the next player that sits on the bench or in 'rehab" while collecting a fat check.

New Lineup
Dampier / Mohammad
Nowitzki / Singleton
Wallace / Williams / George
Richardson / Green / Wright
Kidd / Terry / Barea

[Captain_Obvious]

I think that is a reasonable package for each side, Charlotte gets rid of Nazr and i think they gave Wallace too many years either.
We are content to give Singleton the backup minutes of Dirk, but will we go anywhere with this bench?

There is only one way this bench can score and that is with Dirk playing heavy minutes and Singleton hustles his 10-12 minutes with Wallace, JRich on the floor.

I think Kidd could do great things with JRich, Wallace.

[italy_23]

yes, this would be the one trade with the cats I'd do.
howard for wallace I'd never do. not only is howard the better player but also contract wise and especially health issues make howard way more attractive.
so the cats need to give more.
richardson would fill a major need on this mavs team, bass and diop would give them two nice options up front.
plus we take on nazr while they get the almost expiring stack.

thats probably as good as it gets for them

[DDansby123]

Eh. To me, we ought to be targeting the top three guys in Charlotte: Okafor, Wallace, and Richardson. Of that group, I think Okafor could help us the most long-term, with Richardson second (largely because he fills a huge hole at SG for us), and Wallace third (because he's very similar to a player we already have). I'm sure we'd have to deal Howard for any one of those guys, though that would probably be overpaying considering their contracts.

I also still think Dirk to Charlotte for some combination of those three could be highly beneficial for both teams.

Something else interesting...I noticed LAC is set to receive Minny's first round pick (top 10 protected through 2011 and unprotected thereafter). That could be an interesting asset to acquire if we look at a deal with the Clips.

[mffl_14]

I like the trade I think it's pretty fair and I think in the short term it makes the team better than what the current roster is. But I'm just sitting here thinking would this make us better than LA, Utah, New Orleans ? I just wonder if it would be better to trade for multiple expirings so that we can create enough cap space to possibly bring in a younger star later. LA, Utah, and New Orleans are all built with young and improving talent I think this trade gets us a little closer but doesnt really take us to that next level either. I just wonder would it just be delaying the inevitable. I guess if this makes sense I'm not against the deal but I'm not neccesarily for it either.

[Pointguard01]

Id do it in a second. Singleton/Williams have been playing fine with backup PF compared to Bass, and the upgrade at SG is well worth the difference. Yea the bench might be a little weaker, but rotating minutes where we always keep one of Dirk/Richardson/Wallace on the floor and we would be fine. If Charlotte would do it, Im all over it.

[misterglover]

Bring this Bull-ish over to the Bobcats board, I need a good laugh....No way would Charlotte do this...1st and foremost we dont value Howard as highly as you do, good player, from NC, but isnt nowhere near a STAR isnt worth both Richardson & Wallace plus that would be one of the worst moves the 'Cats could ever make they might as well have Dallas include 2 moving trucks becuz the limited fan base we have here would chase them outta town....And if you really believe Howard is worth BOTH Wallace & Richardson you must be smoking the same stuff he is ...can ya'll send some of that to me?!

[sweet daddy]

Bring this Bull-ish over to the Bobcats board, I need a good laugh....No way would Charlotte do this...1st and foremost we dont value Howard as highly as you do, good player, from NC, but isnt nowhere near a STAR isnt worth both Richardson & Wallace plus that would be one of the worst moves the 'Cats could ever make they might as well have Dallas include 2 moving trucks becuz the limited fan base we have here would chase them outta town....And if you really believe Howard is worth BOTH Wallace & Richardson you must be smoking the same stuff he is ...can ya'll send some of that to me?!

It wasn't Howard for Richardson and Wallace ... it was Howard, Bass and Diop. You get the best player in the deal, plu pick up 2 young bigs in the process, an area where you're a little thin.

Make fun if you want, but make fun of the real offer, OK? Ok.

[fazer86]

dude...
Josh destroyed Wallace...im not sure how Josh would do against richarson but man screw wallace hes useless he rebounds play decent helpside defense
I might do
Jason Richardson
Nazr
1st round pick
for
Josh
Diop
Bass

and thats MAYBEEEEEEEEEEEE

[misterglover]

[quote="sweet daddy
It wasn't Howard for Richardson and Wallace ... it was Howard, Bass and Diop. You get the best player in the deal, plu pick up 2 young bigs in the process, an area where you're a little thin.

Make fun if you want, but make fun of the real offer, OK? Ok.[/quote]


I would make fun of it & so would every Bobcats fan & management....Josh **** Howard is not worth the 2 best players on anybodys team...its that simple cuz!! Us bobcats fans prefer both Crash & JRich to Howard but thats debatable you guys watch him every night I expect to like him better i watch Crash & Jrich nightly I like them better, but you also have to realize that if this team were to trade their 2 best & most popular players for a borderline allstar then there would be no more franchise....Bass & Diop are decent spot minute players who we would like in other side deals but if we trade both Crash & Jrich and dont get a proven all-NBA big name allstar in return it would be the death of the franchise....you really overrate Josh Howard

[Teffer10]

From Mavs perspective:
Absolutely

From Cats perspective:
Absolutely not

[sweet daddy]

[quote="sweet daddy
It wasn't Howard for Richardson and Wallace ... it was Howard, Bass and Diop. You get the best player in the deal, plu pick up 2 young bigs in the process, an area where you're a little thin.

Make fun if you want, but make fun of the real offer, OK? Ok.

I would make fun of it & so would every Bobcats fan & management....Josh **** Howard is not worth the 2 best players on anybodys team...its that simple cuz!! Us bobcats fans prefer both Crash & JRich to Howard but thats debatable you guys watch him every night I expect to like him better i watch Crash & Jrich nightly I like them better, but you also have to realize that if this team were to trade their 2 best & most popular players for a borderline allstar then there would be no more franchise....Bass & Diop are decent spot minute players who we would like in other side deals but if we trade both Crash & Jrich and dont get a proven all-NBA big name allstar in return it would be the death of the franchise....you really overrate Josh Howard[/quote]

First off, I'm not your cousin, at least I don't think I am. Second, I'm not overrating Josh Howard or anybody else. I'm making the point that you're acting as though this is a Howard for Wallace and Richardson deal straight up, and it isn't. What you're doing is acting as though Bass and Diop have no value, which is not true. They're both rotation players, on our team and on yours as well. You're getting the best player in the deal and a 3 for 2 rotation swap, with 2 young bigs who both make at or below the league average salary. I don't care if you don't like the deal, man. I'm just saying don't act like you're getting raped, because it wouldn't be a rape. It would be a talent for talent swap, and if you think you're not getting back what you want, OK. But don't come to our board and vomit all over a reasonable trade suggestion.

Ok, cuz? Ok.

[fazer86]

JOSH HOWARD>>>>>>>>>Gerald Wallace
He dominated Wallace in that last game COMPLPETELY
offensively and defensively

Jason Richardson=Josh Howard
Richardson isnt known for his defense but is pretty good offensively but injury prone

or maybe Rich has a lil more on Howard but he still hasnt made an allstar appearance

And "Sweet Daddy"
what makes you want Gerald Wallace???
Hes garbage...he cant defend Josh Howard and He got shut down by J-ho
we dont need him

[sweet daddy]

JOSH HOWARD>>>>>>>>>Gerald Wallace
He dominated Wallace in that last game COMPLPETELY
offensively and defensively

Jason Richardson=Josh Howard
Richardson isnt known for his defense but is pretty good offensively but injury prone

or maybe Rich has a lil more on Howard but he still hasnt made an allstar appearance

And "Sweet Daddy"
what makes you want Gerald Wallace???
Hes garbage...he cant defend Josh Howard and He got shut down by J-ho
we dont need him

I didn't say that I did! I didn't create the thread! I was just defending JES against what I thought was a baseless attack by an outsider. It isn't a suggestion that is worth ripping somebody apart over, either way.

[JES12]

It's very, very funny how the same Cat fan keeps saying it's Howard for them...It's Howard + Bass (who is being very undervalued) + Diop who is tons better than Nazr + Cap room with Stack's expiring and Howard's TO in 2010. That is a fair deal. Howard for Wallace and richardson would be a steal, but when you add in the other parts, it becomes fair.

[SpeedyG]

Here's something I worked on fairly quickly, and I think can hold some water for each team involved. Three team between Dallas, LAC, and Charlotte.

http://www.realgm.com/src_checktrade.ph ... id=4829396

With the deal for Randolph, the Clippers suddenly have a logjam at PF/C with Kaman, Randolph, and Camby. They have also put Kaman on the block, so to me, it makes sense that they would appear to be natural trading partners.

Charlotte deals: Jason Richardson, Adam Morrison
Charlotte receives: Chris Kaman, Jerry Stackhouse

They create a bit of a hole at SG by trading J-Rich, but hopefully, Jordan still lives in the 90s and accepts a deal for Stackhouse. He's not their only option though. Agustin can start at PG while Felton slides to SG. Or Matt Caroll can start. Either way, I'm thinking Dallas and Charlotte will have to work things a bit more, as I think Dallas doesn't give up enough, while Charlotte doesn't get enough. Still, I think the value is close enough that it can be bridged.

Clippers deals: Chris Kaman, Al Thornton
Clips receives: Josh Howard, Adam Morrison

It fixes their frontcourt logjam, and gives them Josh Howard who is an improvement over Thornton. They also acquire former first round pick Morrison. They can start Davis and Gordon in the backcourt with Howard at SF, or have Howard at SG with Morrison at SF. So why Howard instead of Richardson? Howard's contract is better than J-Rich.

Dallas trades: Josh Howard, Jerry Stackhouse
Dallas receives: Jason Richardson, Al Thornton

Looking at this now, I definitely see Dallas getting too much (because Stack sucks so much). Would taking Jerry out and putting Jet in, while getting Matt Carrol back from Charlotte even it up a bit?

[DDansby123]

I think the Mavs should add more. If we sent Bass to the Clippers and Green to the Bobcats, that might go some distance to making up the talent....still might not be enough, though.

[Pointguard01]

The deal is really bad for the Clippers. They have no interest in trading Al Thronton for anything on our team besides Dirk.

[2011Champs]

The Bobcats have no one that would put Dallas over the top in a trade. Jason Richardson is a very good player however he is not enough to put the Mavs back in the finals with what we would have to give up to get him. Wallace is a good player but aren't his stats inflated being a good player on a bad team? Howard > Wallace and Jet offensively = Richardson. The grass is not greener on the other side.