Mavs 2018 Draft discussion

Darren · Post #641 » by **Darren** » Sat Apr 21, 2018 4:26 am

I am opened to trading the pick for Fultz + 10th + 26th (or 38th + 39th). I wonder if Philly is high on Doncic / Bagley, though. If it's Ayton, I'd rather keep the pick. Potentally, we still get a high-ended talent in Fultz and good rotation players on rookie contract. I am also fine with Fultz, Saric, Pasecniks, Anderson and McConnell. But I bet Philly won't make Saric available. (Actually, I see Saric better than anyone available at 10th)

Lord Cuban · Post #642 » by **Lord Cuban** » Sat Apr 21, 2018 7:12 am

Perfect draft for all teams

Mr B · Post #643 » by **Mr B** » Sat Apr 21, 2018 4:02 pm

Darren wrote:I am opened to trading the pick for Fultz + 10th + 26th (or 38th + 39th). I wonder if Philly is high on Doncic / Bagley, though. If it's Ayton, I'd rather keep the pick. Potentally, we still get a high-ended talent in Fultz and good rotation players on rookie contract. I am also fine with Fultz, Saric, Pasecniks, Anderson and McConnell. But I bet Philly won't make Saric available. (Actually, I see Saric better than anyone available at 10th)

Why would we take on Fultz when we already have Dennis?

Mr B · Post #644 » by **Mr B** » Sat Apr 21, 2018 4:03 pm

Lord Cuban wrote:Perfect draft for all teams

You don’t think Porter and Markkanen would be a little redundant for the Bulls?

dmakk · Post #645 » by **dmakk** » Sat Apr 21, 2018 5:29 pm

I'm fine with any of the consensus top 5 or 6, including Mikal Bridges, so I'd love to trade down with Sacramento and get one of their young frontcourt bigs, especially if Doncic or Ayton slide. I can see them making WCS or Skal available.

bran muffin · Post #646 » by **bran muffin** » Sat Apr 21, 2018 7:26 pm

Mr B wrote:You don’t think Porter and Markkanen would be a little redundant for the Bulls?

Porter will likely be a small forward in the NBA.

Mr B · Post #647 » by **Mr B** » Sat Apr 21, 2018 9:53 pm

bran muffin wrote:
Mr B wrote:You don’t think Porter and Markkanen would be a little redundant for the Bulls?

Porter will likely be a small forward in the NBA.

Maybe his first couple of years in the league like Dirk was but eventually he’s going to be a 4. As his body matures and he puts on weight he’s going to be too big to be a 3.

Darren · Post #648 » by **Darren** » Sat Apr 21, 2018 10:07 pm

Mr B wrote:
Darren wrote:I am opened to trading the pick for Fultz + 10th + 26th (or 38th + 39th). I wonder if Philly is high on Doncic / Bagley, though. If it's Ayton, I'd rather keep the pick. Potentally, we still get a high-ended talent in Fultz and good rotation players on rookie contract. I am also fine with Fultz, Saric, Pasecniks, Anderson and McConnell. But I bet Philly won't make Saric available. (Actually, I see Saric better than anyone available at 10th)

Why would we take on Fultz when we already have Dennis?

Fultz is 6-5, which is big enough to be the next D Wade.

agentofatlas · Post #649 » by **agentofatlas** » Sun Apr 22, 2018 4:38 am

Darren wrote:
Mr B wrote:
Darren wrote:I am opened to trading the pick for Fultz + 10th + 26th (or 38th + 39th). I wonder if Philly is high on Doncic / Bagley, though. If it's Ayton, I'd rather keep the pick. Potentally, we still get a high-ended talent in Fultz and good rotation players on rookie contract. I am also fine with Fultz, Saric, Pasecniks, Anderson and McConnell. But I bet Philly won't make Saric available. (Actually, I see Saric better than anyone available at 10th)

Why would we take on Fultz when we already have Dennis?

Fultz is 6-5, which is big enough to be the next D Wade.

Shot is suspect. The stroke still needs work. If watching the playoffs taught us anything is off-ball shooting is the way to go. Especially if we are going to keep DSJ as the point guard. He's gonna need all the space he can get.

Darren · Post #650 » by **Darren** » Sun Apr 22, 2018 6:10 am

Wes Matthews, Dwight Powell, the Mavs 2018 & 2020 pick (top-5 protected) for Porzingis, Noah, either Ntilikina or the 2018 9th pick. Will either team do it? I know what to expect from Porzingis but not sure what I expect from Bagley.

dirkforpres · Post #651 » by **dirkforpres** » Sun Apr 22, 2018 3:08 pm

Darren wrote:Wes Matthews, Dwight Powell, the Mavs 2018 & 2020 pick (top-5 protected) for Porzingis, Noah, either Ntilikina or the 2018 9th pick. Will either team do it? I know what to expect from Porzingis but not sure what I expect from Bagley.

The Knicks. Unless our pick is the top one anyway, in which case they might do that

Mr B · Post #652 » by **Mr B** » Sun Apr 22, 2018 4:48 pm

Darren wrote:Wes Matthews, Dwight Powell, the Mavs 2018 & 2020 pick (top-5 protected) for Porzingis, Noah, either Ntilikina or the 2018 9th pick. Will either team do it? I know what to expect from Porzingis but not sure what I expect from Bagley.

I would do it but I don’t think the Knicks would. I’d definitely prefer the known commodity over the unknown. They have a pretty good collection of young talent in New York. I don’t that’s no they’d want to start the rebuild process over right now. They just need good leadership. They need a good coach.

bran muffin · Post #653 » by **bran muffin** » Sun Apr 22, 2018 11:13 pm

dirkforpres wrote:
Darren wrote:Wes Matthews, Dwight Powell, the Mavs 2018 & 2020 pick (top-5 protected) for Porzingis, Noah, either Ntilikina or the 2018 9th pick. Will either team do it? I know what to expect from Porzingis but not sure what I expect from Bagley.

The Knicks. Unless our pick is the top one anyway, in which case they might do that

The upcoming season is the final year under Porzingis' rookie scale contract. After that, he'll carry a salary of about $27M.

If the Mavs somehow won the lottery, then I'd rather they keep the pick than trade it for Porzingis. DeAndre Ayton on a $6M salary, plus another $21M of cap space for additional free agents is more valuable than just Porzingis on his own.

Teffer10 · Post #654 » by **Teffer10** » Mon Apr 23, 2018 12:20 am

Mr B wrote:
Darren wrote:Wes Matthews, Dwight Powell, the Mavs 2018 & 2020 pick (top-5 protected) for Porzingis, Noah, either Ntilikina or the 2018 9th pick. Will either team do it? I know what to expect from Porzingis but not sure what I expect from Bagley.

I would do it but I don’t think the Knicks would. I’d definitely prefer the known commodity over the unknown. They have a pretty good collection of young talent in New York. I don’t that’s no they’d want to start the rebuild process over right now. They just need good leadership. They need a good coach.

Yeah, the only way NY would begin to listen would be if DSJ and our 2018 pick are the first words of the discussion.

jidan · Post #655 » by **jidan** » Mon Apr 23, 2018 2:04 am

personally id rather just tank again and try to build our roster like golden state and okc did.

Mr B · Post #656 » by **Mr B** » Mon Apr 23, 2018 2:46 am

jidan wrote:personally id rather just tank again and try to build our roster like golden state and okc did.

There is a higher probability that happens than there is that the Mavs hit on DSJ and hit on this year’s pick. It’s my opinion that it’s more likely that one of the two are a bust. I mentioned on here before that I didn’t want them to take the same path as the Sixers. Obviously that sounds dumb this year considering how good they are playing but it took them years and a couple of draft busts before getting it right.

The Sparest · Post #657 » by **The Sparest** » Mon Apr 23, 2018 2:48 am

jidan wrote:personally id rather just tank again and try to build our roster like golden state and okc did.

I wouldn't "tank", but I hope we focus more on playing and developing the young guys on the roster. I expect we end up in the 34-38 win range. Which, if we are being carried by the young players, would be a good improvement IMO.

bran muffin · Post #658 » by **bran muffin** » Mon Apr 23, 2018 2:56 am

jidan wrote:personally id rather just tank again and try to build our roster like golden state and okc did.

Not worth it.

First, the 2019 draft class is looking like one of the weakest we've seen in years. So 2019 is not going to be a good year to tank. GMs aren't exactly salivating over the the incoming freshman class. More importantly, the new lottery rules go into effect next season.

Under the old rules, if you're one of the 2 worst teams in the league you have a 43% chance of getting a Top 2 pick, and a 94% chance of getting at least a Top 4 pick as a consolation price.. Under the new rules, the 2 worst teams in the league get only a 27% chance of getting a Top 2 pick. In fact, the chances of getting a Top 4 pick is barely over 50%. You could tank your way to the league's worst record, and you still have a 50/50 chance of failing to get a Top 4 pick. Yuck.

Tanking is no longer a viable strategy under the new rules.

Mr B · Post #659 » by **Mr B** » Mon Apr 23, 2018 3:27 am

bran muffin wrote:
jidan wrote:personally id rather just tank again and try to build our roster like golden state and okc did.

Not worth it.

First, the 2019 draft class is looking like one of the weakest we've seen in years. So 2019 is not going to be a good year to tank. GMs aren't exactly salivating over the the incoming freshman class. More importantly, the new lottery rules go into effect next season.

Under the old rules, if you're one of the 2 worst teams in the league you have a 43% chance of getting a Top 2 pick, and a 94% chance of getting at least a Top 4 pick as a consolation price.. Under the new rules, the 2 worst teams in the league get only a 27% chance of getting a Top 2 pick. In fact, the chances of getting a Top 4 pick is barely over 50%. You could tank your way to the league's worst record, and you still have a 50/50 chance of failing to get a Top 4 pick. Yuck.

Tanking is no longer a viable strategy under the new rules.

So you’re saying the Mavs should use their 2019 1st as a trade chip? Add that to Wes and JJ’s expiring deals and the Mavs seem to have some real assets at the trade deadline.

Teffer10 · Post #660 » by **Teffer10** » Mon Apr 23, 2018 5:02 pm

bran muffin wrote:
jidan wrote:personally id rather just tank again and try to build our roster like golden state and okc did.

Not worth it.

First, the 2019 draft class is looking like one of the weakest we've seen in years. So 2019 is not going to be a good year to tank. GMs aren't exactly salivating over the the incoming freshman class. More importantly, the new lottery rules go into effect next season.

Under the old rules, if you're one of the 2 worst teams in the league you have a 43% chance of getting a Top 2 pick, and a 94% chance of getting at least a Top 4 pick as a consolation price.. Under the new rules, the 2 worst teams in the league get only a 27% chance of getting a Top 2 pick. In fact, the chances of getting a Top 4 pick is barely over 50%. You could tank your way to the league's worst record, and you still have a 50/50 chance of failing to get a Top 4 pick. Yuck.

Tanking is no longer a viable strategy under the new rules.

2019 will probably be a weak draft but there will be more SGs at the top.
I hope we draft Doncic this year but he'll probably be gone so we'll go big in this draft and then maybe a SG in 2019.

Even if we have a late lotto pick there should be a decent (not great) SG available. There may not be much star potential in next year's draft but there could be more parity of solid players through the lotto. In other words, 1 might not be that much better than 12 so it doesn't make sense to tank anyway as far as I'm concerned.

We'd be better off developing youth this next season and hope we hit on this year's pick, FA and trades.