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RS 19/20 - G8 - Mavs vs Knicks (Frid 8:30 ET)

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Re: RS 19/20 - G8 - Mavs vs Knicks (Frid 8:30 ET) 

Post#161 » by J_T » Sat Nov 9, 2019 5:54 am

Imon wrote:
Pinkyring wrote:We should be trying to make a Chris paul and 1st for thj and lee deal tonight


Yeah ... this would be pretty catastrophic.
CP3 has two years on his contract past this season with the last year (2021-22) at $44 mil.
He's 34 now and will be a complete albatross when he's 36 and eating up a third of the cap (maybe more if the whole China fiasco lowers the cap).

Mavs will almost certainly offer Luka a max extension at the soonest opportunity (I think that's the summer of 2021). KP's max, CP3's contract, plus Luka's new max would totally crush the Mavs. Plus CP3 isn't even on the same timeline as Luka and KP - he's near the end of his career and Luka and KP are too young to seriously compete for a championship.

I don't think voice of reason works with some.
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Post#162 » by wolfram » Sat Nov 9, 2019 6:04 am

Luka needs to cut some 3pt shots. I mean, I love him but his % from 3 is below average. Basically same as last year, no improvement there. They need to run more catch&shot for him also. Also 8 turnovers... Man, that is bad.

I don't like the direction Mavs are going. Luka getting stats but as a team they play bad. Not sure if this stuff is getting a little bit in Luka's head (Allstar, MVP...) or is just team structure and coaches actually want him to play hero ball.
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Post#163 » by ejs78 » Sat Nov 9, 2019 6:06 am

Forget to say it tonight.... SOFT CITY

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Post#164 » by Pinkyring » Sat Nov 9, 2019 6:07 am

Imon wrote:
Pinkyring wrote:We should be trying to make a Chris paul and 1st for thj and lee deal tonight


Yeah ... this would be pretty catastrophic.
CP3 has two years on his contract past this season with the last year (2021-22) at $44 mil.
He's 34 now and will be a complete albatross when he's 36 and eating up a third of the cap (maybe more if the whole China fiasco lowers the cap).

Mavs will almost certainly offer Luka a max extension at the soonest opportunity (I think that's the summer of 2021). KP's max, CP3's contract, plus Luka's new max would totally crush the Mavs. Plus CP3 isn't even on the same timeline as Luka and KP - he's near the end of his career and Luka and KP are too young to seriously compete for a championship.

Luka max wont kick in til Paul is off the books so frankly that summer you'd have close to a max slot. If you know any other way to improve this team im all ears but this is a borderline playoff roster and we have 1 asset the tpe everything else outside of luka and kp is below average
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Post#165 » by Pinkyring » Sat Nov 9, 2019 6:09 am

J_T wrote:
Imon wrote:
Pinkyring wrote:We should be trying to make a Chris paul and 1st for thj and lee deal tonight


Yeah ... this would be pretty catastrophic.
CP3 has two years on his contract past this season with the last year (2021-22) at $44 mil.
He's 34 now and will be a complete albatross when he's 36 and eating up a third of the cap (maybe more if the whole China fiasco lowers the cap).

Mavs will almost certainly offer Luka a max extension at the soonest opportunity (I think that's the summer of 2021). KP's max, CP3's contract, plus Luka's new max would totally crush the Mavs. Plus CP3 isn't even on the same timeline as Luka and KP - he's near the end of his career and Luka and KP are too young to seriously compete for a championship.

I don't think voice of reason works with some.

There is no reason here when his guess about lukas contract extension is wrong, nice try tho
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Post#166 » by J_T » Sat Nov 9, 2019 7:53 am

Pinkyring wrote:
J_T wrote:
Imon wrote:
Yeah ... this would be pretty catastrophic.
CP3 has two years on his contract past this season with the last year (2021-22) at $44 mil.
He's 34 now and will be a complete albatross when he's 36 and eating up a third of the cap (maybe more if the whole China fiasco lowers the cap).

Mavs will almost certainly offer Luka a max extension at the soonest opportunity (I think that's the summer of 2021). KP's max, CP3's contract, plus Luka's new max would totally crush the Mavs. Plus CP3 isn't even on the same timeline as Luka and KP - he's near the end of his career and Luka and KP are too young to seriously compete for a championship.

I don't think voice of reason works with some.

There is no reason here when his guess about lukas contract extension is wrong, nice try tho

That's almost irrelevant. Why don't you clarify which year's first round pick are you trading away?
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Post#167 » by jpengland » Sat Nov 9, 2019 8:40 am

Pinkyring wrote:We should be trying to make a Chris paul and 1st for thj and lee deal tonight

Yeah, a 91 year old PG on a huge contract for two more years after this.

Smart move.

Why so many knee jerk reactions from so many? We have a 20 year old leader and our other young star has been out for 18 months. This team is less than 10 games old.

Give it time. This season isn't win or bust, it's about Doncic and KP growing togetjer and us establishing which pieces fit with them.
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Post#168 » by Absinthe » Sat Nov 9, 2019 10:06 am

This is all on coaching. This team has repeatedly played up against good teams and played down against bad teams. A loss at home against the Knicks is inexcusable.
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Post#169 » by 2011Champs » Sat Nov 9, 2019 10:17 am

jpengland wrote:
Pinkyring wrote:We should be trying to make a Chris paul and 1st for thj and lee deal tonight

Yeah, a 91 year old PG on a huge contract for two more years after this.

Smart move.

Why so many knee jerk reactions from so many? We have a 20 year old leader and our other young star has been out for 18 months. This team is less than 10 games old.

Give it time. This season isn't win or bust, it's about Doncic and KP growing togetjer and us establishing which pieces fit with them.

This season IS about winning though. Luka and KP’s future is not automatic and every single game with those two is important. Mavs can’t put **** teams around those two like they did when they screwed Dirk almost every year “keeping the powder dry” for that player that would never sign with Dallas.
Mavs currently have no good pieces except for maybe Barea and he is coming off injury and a decent 7’4” center that can dominate for 12 minutes a game that isn’t allowed to play either. While CP3 isn’t ideal, Mavs do need to flip some of their group of below average role players for a solid but overpaid veteran or two.
**** the timeline. There is no such thing as that worn out cliche. The time is now and no time should be wasted. Mavs don’t need to give our star a reason to even consider staying withDallas is a bad idea.

Another note is coach needs to tighten things up. Players aren’t going to be happy for long not having a consistent role.
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Post#170 » by Archx » Sat Nov 9, 2019 11:16 am

wolfram wrote:Luka needs to cut some 3pt shots. I mean, I love him but his % from 3 is below average. Basically same as last year, no improvement there. They need to run more catch&shot for him also. Also 8 turnovers... Man, that is bad.

I don't like the direction Mavs are going. Luka getting stats but as a team they play bad. Not sure if this stuff is getting a little bit in Luka's head (Allstar, MVP...) or is just team structure and coaches actually want him to play hero ball.



This is similar to the reddit posts i've read after the game. Mavs fans were turning on Luka and blaming him for the game and also received a lot of likes. It's quite frustrating when fans from other teams came to defend him. Did Dirk also receive so much hate after these type of games when he was this young?

The thing is, if he stops shooting tough 3's, they will defend him differently and he won't be able to have that much room to penetrate. But they should run more plays to actually get him open shots, that's 100% true.

But what stat padding is he doing? Powell was simply atrocious, Boban can't play much worse, right? At least for those 15-18 mins that he would get the chance. THJ literally shot them out of the game and Luka had to drag them back in. 8TO look bad, but he tried his best to get his team involved. I would still like to see what was his potential assist number for this game. Must have been high as hell, so many missed open shots. What else can you do when entire team, except KP, decides to play zero defense and offense. It's easy to pick on your star player and blame him for everything.

Although Luka did blame himself and those who trash him have no clue how lucky they are to have him here.

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Post#171 » by oldshoolballer » Sat Nov 9, 2019 12:17 pm

dirkules_41 wrote:
arkuo wrote:Why did we start Courtney Lee again?

Helps us get off to a slow start and give the opponent the necessary confidence to make our lives difficult.

RC is frustrating as can be .They were developing some good chemistry with Curry KP and Luka and he puts Lee in. He keeps changing the lineups and most of them don't make sense.These are winnable games.
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Post#172 » by dirkforpres » Sat Nov 9, 2019 12:36 pm

jpengland wrote:
Pinkyring wrote:We should be trying to make a Chris paul and 1st for thj and lee deal tonight

Yeah, a 91 year old PG on a huge contract for two more years after this.

Smart move.

Why so many knee jerk reactions from so many? We have a 20 year old leader and our other young star has been out for 18 months. This team is less than 10 games old.


Give it time. This season isn't win or bust, it's about Doncic and KP growing togetjer and us establishing which pieces fit with them.


Those guys aren’t the problem, the other 13 morons on the team are.

I’d be fine with Chris Paul if it came with Adams.

Lee, Hardaway, and Powell for Adams and Paul
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Post#173 » by Dirk » Sat Nov 9, 2019 1:00 pm

ejs78 wrote:Finally a KP post up


That was probably the highlight of the game for me. He had a couple of ones.

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Absinthe wrote:This is all on coaching. This team has repeatedly played up against good teams and played down against bad teams. A loss at home against the Knicks is inexcusable.

I agree.

I was expecting a let down game vs Cavs. They actually played great that game. Then lay two eggs at home. Should have lost vs Magic and somehow were able to lose against that train-wreck that is this currents Knicks team.

It's just hard to understand how they play horribly. Somehow get back in the game. Take the lead. And then revert back to terrible decision making. They were playing the lowest iq team in the league. And the other night they were playing an inept offensive team. So there is no excuse for such poor execution and a total inability to take command of the flow of the game.

I was quite intrigued as to how Seth Curry didn't even put a shot up... all the while THJ had 15.

Also, one just has to remember exactly one year ago, the Mavs were heavy favorites at home and also lost to the Knicks. New York Knicks at Dallas Mavericks 118 - 106 , November 2 2018

Teffer10 wrote:Where in the hell is Boban?
Knicks don't have anybody that could guard him.

Oh yeah, the whole damn matchup thing where we have to adjust our lineup with the 1-7 team.


The other night he put Barea in to give a spark. So it's not like he isn't watching or 'reacting'... and it's curious how Boban didn't play. Then got some burn. Now inactive again. In some ways, he actually needs to narrow down his rotation, but in games such as the one yesterday, yeah, it feels natural to react to what you're seeing and get something different out there.

Imon wrote:Yo, when did Morris and Ntilikina turn into the splash brothers?


It was comical.

And then every bounce went to them in the 4th quarter. The basketball gods just punished this team for their terrible play.
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Post#174 » by Pinkyring » Sat Nov 9, 2019 1:20 pm

J_T wrote:
Pinkyring wrote:
J_T wrote:I don't think voice of reason works with some.

There is no reason here when his guess about lukas contract extension is wrong, nice try tho

That's almost irrelevant. Why don't you clarify which year's first round pick are you trading away?

We get a first not give one, try reading
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Post#175 » by Pinkyring » Sat Nov 9, 2019 1:24 pm

jpengland wrote:
Pinkyring wrote:We should be trying to make a Chris paul and 1st for thj and lee deal tonight

Yeah, a 91 year old PG on a huge contract for two more years after this.

Smart move.

Why so many knee jerk reactions from so many? We have a 20 year old leader and our other young star has been out for 18 months. This team is less than 10 games old.

Give it time. This season isn't win or bust, it's about Doncic and KP growing togetjer and us establishing which pieces fit with them.

He's 34 and if he were on this team last night we win, luka needs the ball taken out his hands sometimes especially in late games, the db stepbacks and turnovers are a problem, this team needs an experienced vet leader that can play. Just because we have young guys doesnt mean you waste years, you either try to win now or you don't and if you don't want to win name you shouldn't be wasting extensions on powell, re signing kleber and dfs
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Post#176 » by Archx » Sat Nov 9, 2019 1:33 pm

Pinkyring wrote:
jpengland wrote:
Pinkyring wrote:We should be trying to make a Chris paul and 1st for thj and lee deal tonight

Yeah, a 91 year old PG on a huge contract for two more years after this.

Smart move.

Why so many knee jerk reactions from so many? We have a 20 year old leader and our other young star has been out for 18 months. This team is less than 10 games old.

Give it time. This season isn't win or bust, it's about Doncic and KP growing togetjer and us establishing which pieces fit with them.

He's 34 and if he were on this team last night we win, luka needs the ball taken out his hands sometimes especially in late games, the db stepbacks and turnovers are a problem, this team needs an experienced vet leader that can play. Just because we have young guys doesnt mean you waste years, you either try to win now or you don't and if you don't want to win name you shouldn't be wasting extensions on powell, re signing kleber and dfs


When will you understand that this is NOT about now but instead it's about the future? You get an old CP3 on a terrible contract and you effectively block this teams any future plans.

Someone like Gallinari would work wonders instead of CP3. Effective floor spacer and shooter who can also create shots for himself. If Rick insists with these 3pt chuck fests, he would be perfect for this team.
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Post#177 » by Pinkyring » Sat Nov 9, 2019 1:34 pm

2011Champs wrote:
jpengland wrote:
Pinkyring wrote:We should be trying to make a Chris paul and 1st for thj and lee deal tonight

Yeah, a 91 year old PG on a huge contract for two more years after this.

Smart move.

Why so many knee jerk reactions from so many? We have a 20 year old leader and our other young star has been out for 18 months. This team is less than 10 games old.

Give it time. This season isn't win or bust, it's about Doncic and KP growing togetjer and us establishing which pieces fit with them.

This season IS about winning though. Luka and KP’s future is not automatic and every single game with those two is important. Mavs can’t put **** teams around those two like they did when they screwed Dirk almost every year “keeping the powder dry” for that player that would never sign with Dallas.
Mavs currently have no good pieces except for maybe Barea and he is coming off injury and a decent 7’4” center that can dominate for 12 minutes a game that isn’t allowed to play either. While CP3 isn’t ideal, Mavs do need to flip some of their group of below average role players for a solid but overpaid veteran or two.
**** the timeline. There is no such thing as that worn out cliche. The time is now and no time should be wasted. Mavs don’t need to give our star a reason to even consider staying withDallas is a bad idea.

Another note is coach needs to tighten things up. Players aren’t going to be happy for long not having a consistent role.

Yeah idk why mavs fans are so gungo about the money, cap space is irrelevant here and we will never get an elite free agent with this coaching staff and euro core, donnie is terrible with cap space he just waste it on overpaid 3rd tier guy, his wheelhouse is trades
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Post#178 » by Pinkyring » Sat Nov 9, 2019 1:36 pm

Archx wrote:
Pinkyring wrote:
jpengland wrote:Yeah, a 91 year old PG on a huge contract for two more years after this.

Smart move.

Why so many knee jerk reactions from so many? We have a 20 year old leader and our other young star has been out for 18 months. This team is less than 10 games old.

Give it time. This season isn't win or bust, it's about Doncic and KP growing togetjer and us establishing which pieces fit with them.

He's 34 and if he were on this team last night we win, luka needs the ball taken out his hands sometimes especially in late games, the db stepbacks and turnovers are a problem, this team needs an experienced vet leader that can play. Just because we have young guys doesnt mean you waste years, you either try to win now or you don't and if you don't want to win name you shouldn't be wasting extensions on powell, re signing kleber and dfs


When will you understand that this is NOT about now but instead it's about the future? You get an old CP3 on a terrible contract and you effectively block this teams any future plans.

Someone like Gallinari would work wonders instead of CP3. Effective floor spacer and shooter who can also create shots for himself. If Rick insists with these 3pt chuck fests, he would be perfect for this team.

Its about both actually, gallo is another guy that doesn't defend and we have nothing to get him anyway... please tell me what future plans Paul blocks?
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Post#179 » by dakomish23 » Sat Nov 9, 2019 1:56 pm

Lord Cuban wrote:Powell killed us all game


I was watching the game and kept telling the guy I was watching it with the same thing.

Yeah everyone outside of Luka and KP sucked but damn man I just don’t see why they’re so committed to Powell.

Kleber makes so much more sense
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Post#180 » by Pinkyring » Sat Nov 9, 2019 2:17 pm

dakomish23 wrote:
Lord Cuban wrote:Powell killed us all game


I was watching the game and kept telling the guy I was watching it with the same thing.

Yeah everyone outside of Luka and KP sucked but damn man I just don’t see why they’re so committed to Powell.

Kleber makes so much more sense

Powell is a second unit guy like msxi but we are too dumb to add a starting center

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