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RS 19/20 - G8 - Mavs vs Knicks (Frid 8:30 ET)

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Who would you rather have?

KP, 27M
20
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Randle, 18M
3
13%
 
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Re: RS 19/20 - G8 - Mavs vs Knicks (Frid 8:30 ET) 

Post#181 » by agentofatlas » Sat Nov 9, 2019 2:55 pm

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wolfram wrote:Luka needs to cut some 3pt shots. I mean, I love him but his % from 3 is below average. Basically same as last year, no improvement there. They need to run more catch&shot for him also. Also 8 turnovers... Man, that is bad.

I don't like the direction Mavs are going. Luka getting stats but as a team they play bad. Not sure if this stuff is getting a little bit in Luka's head (Allstar, MVP...) or is just team structure and coaches actually want him to play hero ball.



This is similar to the reddit posts i've read after the game. Mavs fans were turning on Luka and blaming him for the game and also received a lot of likes. It's quite frustrating when fans from other teams came to defend him. Did Dirk also receive so much hate after these type of games when he was this young?

The thing is, if he stops shooting tough 3's, they will defend him differently and he won't be able to have that much room to penetrate. But they should run more plays to actually get him open shots, that's 100% true.

But what stat padding is he doing? Powell was simply atrocious, Boban can't play much worse, right? At least for those 15-18 mins that he would get the chance. THJ literally shot them out of the game and Luka had to drag them back in. 8TO look bad, but he tried his best to get his team involved. I would still like to see what was his potential assist number for this game. Must have been high as hell, so many missed open shots. What else can you do when entire team, except KP, decides to play zero defense and offense. It's easy to pick on your star player and blame him for everything.

Although Luka did blame himself and those who trash him have no clue how lucky they are to have him here.

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Don't baby him too much. He's a professional and being one means receiving critique and correcting mistakes. Dirk got critiqued here as well when he was young.

Keep in mind we basically attached the whole future with him. His success is the teams success. Every criticism aims to improve upon what's already there.

Now we don't want him to stop taking stepback 3s. We just want him to limit it and add some normal pull up 3s or better yet some catch and shoot 3s. He needs tighten up his passing a bit. Too many jump passes and 'homerun" plays sometimes. Also he needs not to care about triple doubles too much and play off ball more.
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Re: RS 19/20 - G8 - Mavs vs Knicks (Frid 8:30 ET) 

Post#182 » by Dirk » Sat Nov 9, 2019 4:10 pm

No idea of what is said about Luka elsewhere.

First --- he was not to blame for the L yesterday. He ended up being a bright spot.

He's had a very good year up to this point. One of the key areas was his efficiency and he has bumped it tremendously. The FT% in particular is impressive if it holds up.

Yesterday, he had 2/3 bad passes. In general, at times he lets his energy/attention level down and seems to have a couple of bad ones. This is also an area where conditioning likely also plays a role. He is playing 35.7 mpg and handles everything... carries a huge load. It's only natural that occasionally you will see him make a mistake or two.

His shot selection has improved, even through this year.

These past two games were pretty bad overall as a team, but I felt he showed up at key moments and wanted to lead the team. And did a good job of it --- he was definitely one of the bright spots to me.

This is a visual representation that he has been focusing more on getting underneath the defenses

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He has more drives than Lebron. He has a great fg% on his drives at 66.1.

In general, one would like to see him get better in the fourth quarter. He hasn't been able to come up with the heroics this year. Yet.
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Re: RS 19/20 - G8 - Mavs vs Knicks (Frid 8:30 ET) 

Post#183 » by jpengland » Sat Nov 9, 2019 4:53 pm

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jpengland wrote:Yeah, a 91 year old PG on a huge contract for two more years after this.

Smart move.

Why so many knee jerk reactions from so many? We have a 20 year old leader and our other young star has been out for 18 months. This team is less than 10 games old.

Give it time. This season isn't win or bust, it's about Doncic and KP growing togetjer and us establishing which pieces fit with them.

This season IS about winning though. Luka and KP’s future is not automatic and every single game with those two is important. Mavs can’t put **** teams around those two like they did when they screwed Dirk almost every year “keeping the powder dry” for that player that would never sign with Dallas.
Mavs currently have no good pieces except for maybe Barea and he is coming off injury and a decent 7’4” center that can dominate for 12 minutes a game that isn’t allowed to play either. While CP3 isn’t ideal, Mavs do need to flip some of their group of below average role players for a solid but overpaid veteran or two.
**** the timeline. There is no such thing as that worn out cliche. The time is now and no time should be wasted. Mavs don’t need to give our star a reason to even consider staying withDallas is a bad idea.

Another note is coach needs to tighten things up. Players aren’t going to be happy for long not having a consistent role.

Yeah idk why mavs fans are so gungo about the money, cap space is irrelevant here and we will never get an elite free agent with this coaching staff and euro core, donnie is terrible with cap space he just waste it on overpaid 3rd tier guy, his wheelhouse is trades


Cap space isn't only about elite free agents.

It gives you flexibility to go after guys on the block, it let's you pick up non elite guys to round out the roster and it let's you pick up assets in trade.

Trading for Paul essentially assures that we are locked in with these rotation guys for the next 3 years as we won't have an option to pick up different guys.

At age 36, CP3 will be taking up 46 million dollars of the cap. You want to scare Doncic off, that's the way.

Of course we want to win games this year. Of course winning matters. But it isn't go for broke time.

This is the time to develop our stars, see wha complimentary talent we have, try and seal a playoff berth but absoloutely don't hinder ourselves in the future.
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Re: RS 19/20 - G8 - Mavs vs Knicks (Frid 8:30 ET) 

Post#184 » by Pinkyring » Sat Nov 9, 2019 5:34 pm

jpengland wrote:
Pinkyring wrote:
2011Champs wrote:This season IS about winning though. Luka and KP’s future is not automatic and every single game with those two is important. Mavs can’t put **** teams around those two like they did when they screwed Dirk almost every year “keeping the powder dry” for that player that would never sign with Dallas.
Mavs currently have no good pieces except for maybe Barea and he is coming off injury and a decent 7’4” center that can dominate for 12 minutes a game that isn’t allowed to play either. While CP3 isn’t ideal, Mavs do need to flip some of their group of below average role players for a solid but overpaid veteran or two.
**** the timeline. There is no such thing as that worn out cliche. The time is now and no time should be wasted. Mavs don’t need to give our star a reason to even consider staying withDallas is a bad idea.

Another note is coach needs to tighten things up. Players aren’t going to be happy for long not having a consistent role.

Yeah idk why mavs fans are so gungo about the money, cap space is irrelevant here and we will never get an elite free agent with this coaching staff and euro core, donnie is terrible with cap space he just waste it on overpaid 3rd tier guy, his wheelhouse is trades


Cap space isn't only about elite free agents.

It gives you flexibility to go after guys on the block, it let's you pick up non elite guys to round out the roster and it let's you pick up assets in trade.

Trading for Paul essentially assures that we are locked in with these rotation guys for the next 3 years as we won't have an option to pick up different guys.

At age 36, CP3 will be taking up 46 million dollars of the cap. You want to scare Doncic off, that's the way.

Of course we want to win games this year. Of course winning matters. But it isn't go for broke time.

This is the time to develop our stars, see wha complimentary talent we have, try and seal a playoff berth but absoloutely don't hinder ourselves in the future.

When has cap space ever worked for us? We all know the benefits of it but this team doesnt use it that way, we chase and overpay mid tier free agents. Do i love the idea of paul.... no, would i rather have paul than thj and lee, hell yeah. The contact is heavy especially that final year but frankly i dont see a better avenue to improve. This roster is bad, we have two legit starters and lower tier backups so we have zero trade assets
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Re: RS 19/20 - G8 - Mavs vs Knicks (Frid 8:30 ET) 

Post#185 » by Phish Tank » Sat Nov 9, 2019 6:00 pm

Not sure why Luka’s taking a lot of heat for last night. Yes, your supporting cast were MIA or just flat out awful (THJ). I thought KP disappeared in the 4th and committed some bad fouls, including the Morris foul from 3 and the missed box out. Could have used KP in the final minute


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