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Re: [Woj, Shams] KP to Dallas 

Post#101 » by fuller4379 » Fri Feb 1, 2019 1:42 am

I called it, yesterday!

fuller4379 wrote:DSJ gets a triple double. Let's trade him at max value now.
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Re: [Woj, Shams] KP to Dallas 

Post#102 » by arkuo » Fri Feb 1, 2019 1:55 am

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arkuo wrote:Without KP on the lineup yet and with us losing 3 starters, do we tank the season? Going in the next few games without a starting center and two starting guards would cause problems i assume.


This is what I'm conflicted over.


Well we gave away our 2021 and 2023 picks. Cuban must like this year's pick. If we're out of the playoff picture by the all star game, my gut says we tank for a top 5 pick. Entering next season with Luka, a healthy KP and possibly RJ Barrett would be crazy.
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Re: [Woj, Shams] KP to Dallas 

Post#103 » by Jasen777 » Fri Feb 1, 2019 2:02 am

It's too late to tank for a top 5 pick. But Mavs could move up via the lottery, in which case they'd keep the pick and how can they offer the '21 to NY when they'd still owe ATL?
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Re: [Woj, Shams] KP to Dallas 

Post#104 » by arkuo » Fri Feb 1, 2019 2:06 am

Jasen777 wrote:It's too late to tank for a top 5 pick. But Mavs could move up via the lottery, in which case they'd keep the pick and how can they offer the '21 to NY when they'd still owe ATL?



Good point. I think the NY picks gets pushed back or has conditions/ protections attached to them. For all intents and purposes, the long term goal is to be good by 2021. So our picks then would have to be low first rounders.
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Re: [Woj, Shams] KP to Dallas 

Post#105 » by HMFFL » Fri Feb 1, 2019 2:20 am

Plenty of upside for us with this trade. It also makes since for New York, who acquire note assets to include in a package for Anthony Davis, and it's safe to assume New Orleans didn't have an interest in KP.

We have our second foundation piece with go with Luka and that makes me happy. His recovery doesn't concern me but his happiness does. I feel confident that KP will be a Maverick longterm.

Cheers to us!!!!

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Re: [Woj, Shams] KP to Dallas 

Post#106 » by Dave DaButcher » Fri Feb 1, 2019 2:39 am

Knicks fan here who is holding onto his fandom by tenuous fingertips. Would appreciate the views of those of you who've seen DSJ play every day. I've heard some mixed things, but am wondering what we should expect in terms of current level of play and, more importantly, longer-term potential. Thanks in advance.
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Re: [Woj, Shams] KP to Dallas 

Post#107 » by vincecarter4pres » Fri Feb 1, 2019 2:41 am

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Jasen777 wrote:It's too late to tank for a top 5 pick. But Mavs could move up via the lottery, in which case they'd keep the pick and how can they offer the '21 to NY when they'd still owe ATL?



Good point. I think the NY picks gets pushed back or has conditions/ protections attached to them. For all intents and purposes, the long term goal is to be good by 2021. So our picks then would have to be low first rounders.

Read on Twitter by default this makes the 2019 pick owed to Atlanta completely unprotected.
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Re: [Woj, Shams] KP to Dallas 

Post#108 » by jpengland » Fri Feb 1, 2019 2:51 am

Dave DaButcher wrote:Knicks fan here who is holding onto his fandom by tenuous fingertips. Would appreciate the views of those of you who've seen DSJ play every day. I've heard some mixed things, but am wondering what we should expect in terms of current level of play and, more importantly, longer-term potential. Thanks in advance.


He is a reasonable rotation guard right now, his.l jumper is solid and he has shown strong PnR potential.

Hes quick laterally and relatively strong and when he's locked in, he's a good defender.

He makes bad decisions on both ends and that's really where his development is, if the game slows down and he makes better decisions, he could be an all star.
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Re: [Woj, Shams] KP to Dallas 

Post#109 » by ozwizard8 » Fri Feb 1, 2019 2:55 am

fuller4379 wrote:I called it, yesterday!

fuller4379 wrote:DSJ gets a triple double. Let's trade him at max value now.

Excellent trade.
Bravo!

I watched more Dallas game than all other teams, now I want to apply for bandwagon.
Doncic-KP both are great players. And more than being great they're **** entertaining at the court. You always look for sth interesting to happen.
Cap wise its also fine.
Draft picks werent going to be top 3 or sth anyway.

What Celtics did to Nets was harsh. This is even worse.
It **** up Knicks tank.
Knicks lost their only superstar caliber player.
Knicks PG rotation gets even crowder.
Knicks still paying Noah's contract and we can expect them to give DSJ-DJ some weird contracts too.
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Kristaps Porzingis Discussion 

Post#110 » by J_T » Fri Feb 1, 2019 3:00 am

Read on Twitter


Well, he seems happy with the trade to the Mavs so far.

Seems unlikely to me that he plays this season, although there are rumors that it might be possible.

A rumor floated last week that the Knicks prefer for him to sit out the season while Porzingis wants to play, creating tension. According to a source close to the situation, it is an off-base premise.


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Re: [Woj, Shams] KP to Dallas 

Post#111 » by Pointguard01 » Fri Feb 1, 2019 3:20 am

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Nope that's just if he signs the QO (which leaves him an UFA in 2020). Caphold is 17m.


His 2020 cap hold will be $17 million. His 2019 cap number will be his actual salary of $4.4 million.


Only if he takes the QO. Which he hasn't yet.

Until he takes the QO its 17m. And no rookie FA has ever turned down a max and taken the QO. And once KP is here with Doncic and Dirk as a mentor, he's not going to turn that down. Especially coming off an injury. He's not turning down over 100m guaranteed money.


Yeah I can't see him taking 4-million over 27-million, considering his injury history. He's literally risking 23-million in 2019-2020, but also security long term, in another 100-million dollars. What if he suffers another injury next season? It's a risk, but its VERY likely that he resigns.

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arkuo wrote:Can KP play center here? Or is he strictly a PF?

He'll be a better fit at the 5.


Yeah, he will. But I think you need the right player next to him at PF. Maxi Kleber really could be that guy. He's got the size to play bigger, more physical players, but also guard on the perimeter, where Porzingis struggles.

vincecarter4pres wrote:Read on Twitter by default this makes the 2019 pick owed to Atlanta completely unprotected.


That makes sense. Makes this trade much more risky. This is the definition of a high-risk, high reward move. On the risk side, you are trading for an often-injured player, could sacrifice multiple high picks in 2019 & 2021 with no protection. On the positive side, we might be adding a top-25 player who could be a #2 on a championship team.



One underrated thing this creates. Dallas has 47-million in expiring contracts this offseason (Lee, Barnes, Powell). There's a easy way to MAX cap space next offseason. I'd be fine moving into the offseason with resigning DFS and Maxi and filling in holes with 1-year contracts.

G- _________ |Jalen Brunson
G - Luka Doncic | Tim Hardaway
F - Harrison Barns | Dorin Finney-Smith
F- Maxi Kleber | __________
G- Kristaps Porzingis | Dwight Powell
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Re: Kristaps Porzingis Discussion 

Post#112 » by Luka_be_Dope » Fri Feb 1, 2019 3:21 am

IMHO, worst case scenario is, obviously Zinger walks in FA or returns from injury with worse mobility than Shawn Bradley....

Best case: Mavs stole a legit 2nd star for hope and cap space..and a couple years of a bad contract.

Reality is probably somewhere in between...but with the protection on the 2023 pick, I dont see how this isn't a bloody genius move.
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Re: [Woj, Shams] KP to Dallas 

Post#113 » by arkuo » Fri Feb 1, 2019 3:27 am

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jpengland wrote:
fuller4379 wrote:
His 2020 cap hold will be $17 million. His 2019 cap number will be his actual salary of $4.4 million.


Only if he takes the QO. Which he hasn't yet.

Until he takes the QO its 17m. And no rookie FA has ever turned down a max and taken the QO. And once KP is here with Doncic and Dirk as a mentor, he's not going to turn that down. Especially coming off an injury. He's not turning down over 100m guaranteed money.


Yeah I can't see him taking 4-million over 27-million, considering his injury history. He's literally risking 23-million in 2019-2020, but also security long term, in another 100-million dollars. What if he suffers another injury next season? It's a risk, but its VERY likely that he resigns.

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arkuo wrote:Can KP play center here? Or is he strictly a PF?

He'll be a better fit at the 5.


Yeah, he will. But I think you need the right player next to him at PF. Maxi Kleber really could be that guy. He's got the size to play bigger, more physical players, but also guard on the perimeter, where Porzingis struggles.

vincecarter4pres wrote:Read on Twitter by default this makes the 2019 pick owed to Atlanta completely unprotected.


That makes sense. Makes this trade much more risky. This is the definition of a high-risk, high reward move. On the risk side, you are trading for an often-injured player, could sacrifice multiple high picks in 2019 & 2021 with no protection. On the positive side, we might be adding a top-25 player who could be a #2 on a championship team.



One underrated thing this creates. Dallas has 47-million in expiring contracts this offseason (Lee, Barnes, Powell). There's a easy way to MAX cap space next offseason. I'd be fine moving into the offseason with resigning DFS and Maxi and filling in holes with 1-year contracts.

G- _________ |Jalen Brunson
G - Luka Doncic | Tim Hardaway
F - Harrison Barns | Dorin Finney-Smith
F- Maxi Kleber | __________
G- Kristaps Porzingis | Dwight Powell


This is where we sign Julius Randle to play bully ball at PF with KP at C.
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Re: [Woj, Shams] KP to Dallas 

Post#114 » by Pointguard01 » Fri Feb 1, 2019 3:29 am

Dave DaButcher wrote:Knicks fan here who is holding onto his fandom by tenuous fingertips. Would appreciate the views of those of you who've seen DSJ play every day. I've heard some mixed things, but am wondering what we should expect in terms of current level of play and, more importantly, longer-term potential. Thanks in advance.


I've probably watch 80% of his NBA games.

What gives me hope for DSJ is that he's shown improvements. I don't think DSJ can be a role player: he's either going to figure it out to become A STAR (think Steve Francis) or he's going to fit into some backup PG role, where he scores inefficiently and doesn't impact the game (think of current Derrick Rose but not as good).

He's shown enough improvements that are encouraging with: (1) finishing at the rim >> shockingly a big struggle of his, spot up shooting and he's not a terrible passer, though he's more of a passer off penetration, but a "I see the team and can run it" kind of passer.

His defense is fine and he can make plays bc of his athleticism, but I don't think this will ever be his strength.

What concerns me the most is that I look at DSJ and I never see a happy guy. I see a guy that holds back, doesn't give off that body language, leadership mentality that I would want. He never gets too high or too low, but this isn't a good thing. I would love to see him smile. It's kinda like when he does well, he expects it. And when he doesn't, it's not a big deal.

I think it's still early for him, but if things work out with the Knicks and you sign, say, Durant + another else, I would expect you will move DSJ to a team like Orlando for a ready made player. He's still 2-3 years away from being on a winning team. He's an asset now, which I'm sure he will help his value for the rest of the season. I wouldn't put much effort into him, bc I expect the above to happen and DSJ will again be on the move.
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Re: [Woj, Shams] KP to Dallas 

Post#115 » by Luka_be_Dope » Fri Feb 1, 2019 3:29 am

Dave DaButcher wrote:Knicks fan here who is holding onto his fandom by tenuous fingertips. Would appreciate the views of those of you who've seen DSJ play every day. I've heard some mixed things, but am wondering what we should expect in terms of current level of play and, more importantly, longer-term potential. Thanks in advance.



I would place him firmly in the Mike Conley to Russ category for max potential. Worst case scenario, Patrick Beverly/Eric Bledsoe. He has shown growth this year, so unless he regresses he is a solid return.
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Re: Kristaps Porzingis Discussion 

Post#116 » by fuller4379 » Fri Feb 1, 2019 3:31 am

There is some risk in this move, but the potential reward is huge. Dirk and Luka need to be selling Porzingis on Dallas the rest of this season.

Depending on his health, I wouldn’t mind seeing him in a limited role towards the end of this season. Start generating a little chemistry between Luka and him.
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Re: [Woj, Shams] KP to Dallas 

Post#117 » by Luka_be_Dope » Fri Feb 1, 2019 3:34 am

arkuo wrote:
Pointguard01 wrote:
jpengland wrote:
Only if he takes the QO. Which he hasn't yet.

Until he takes the QO its 17m. And no rookie FA has ever turned down a max and taken the QO. And once KP is here with Doncic and Dirk as a mentor, he's not going to turn that down. Especially coming off an injury. He's not turning down over 100m guaranteed money.


Yeah I can't see him taking 4-million over 27-million, considering his injury history. He's literally risking 23-million in 2019-2020, but also security long term, in another 100-million dollars. What if he suffers another injury next season? It's a risk, but its VERY likely that he resigns.

dirkules_41 wrote:He'll be a better fit at the 5.


Yeah, he will. But I think you need the right player next to him at PF. Maxi Kleber really could be that guy. He's got the size to play bigger, more physical players, but also guard on the perimeter, where Porzingis struggles.

vincecarter4pres wrote:Read on Twitter by default this makes the 2019 pick owed to Atlanta completely unprotected.


That makes sense. Makes this trade much more risky. This is the definition of a high-risk, high reward move. On the risk side, you are trading for an often-injured player, could sacrifice multiple high picks in 2019 & 2021 with no protection. On the positive side, we might be adding a top-25 player who could be a #2 on a championship team.



One underrated thing this creates. Dallas has 47-million in expiring contracts this offseason (Lee, Barnes, Powell). There's a easy way to MAX cap space next offseason. I'd be fine moving into the offseason with resigning DFS and Maxi and filling in holes with 1-year contracts.

G- _________ |Jalen Brunson
G - Luka Doncic | Tim Hardaway
F - Harrison Barns | Dorin Finney-Smith
F- Maxi Kleber | __________
G- Kristaps Porzingis | Dwight Powell


This is where we sign Julius Randle to play bully ball at PF with KP at C.



Wondering where 47m in cap space is coming from?
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Re: Kristaps Porzingis Discussion 

Post#118 » by Pointguard01 » Fri Feb 1, 2019 3:38 am

It's funny that there were NO reports of Porzingis taking the Qualifying Offer with a franchise that he obviously hated, and as soon as he's traded, this report comes out. It sounds like complete BS and something that is coming from the Knicks camp to push the blow back their getting from a PR perspective.

I'd put the chances he would have resigned with the Knicks @ 80%. It's higher with the Mavericks.

Considering our ATL pick is unprotected now, let's get him on the court ASAP!
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Re: [Woj, Shams] KP to Dallas 

Post#119 » by Luka_be_Dope » Fri Feb 1, 2019 3:39 am

guille_4 wrote:So what will the rotation look like? Will Kleber play backup C? Will Mehri get some playtime?

C: Dwight Powell (24) / Maxi Kleber (20) / Salah Mehri (4)
PF: Harrison Barnes (14) / Finney Smith (24) / Dirk (12)
SF: Tim Hardaway Jr (30) / Harrison Barnes (18)
SG: Courtney Lee (24) / Brunson (16) / Devin Harris (8)
PG: Doncic (34) / Burke (14)
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Re: [Woj, Shams] KP to Dallas 

Post#120 » by Luka_be_Dope » Fri Feb 1, 2019 3:40 am

No way Lee comes in and gets more burn than DFS and Brunson.

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