RS 21/22 - Mavs @ Hawks (Oct. 21. 7:30PM EST, TNT)

[Bob8]

Season is over!!!!

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Hoping for a players only meeting after this L.

Nice pass Luka... I don't know how he thought he was reaching KP on that. He has been careless with the ball. 3 TOs in 10 minutes.

It looked very grim. Did someone remind him this was the first game of the season, with a crowd? On National TV? You'd expect some life and energy.

It'll be impossible to be competitive if your guy only looks like he tried for a few minutes spell after going down 18.

Let's hope for a bounce back game fast...

If they play like they did tonight, they are going to get punked by the Raptors.

Luka was bad, but the problem was the system. Pace was up a lot, Luka's usage was down, players were forcing things they're not capable of doing. Hawks on the other hand were playing exactly how they want and in process looking individually much better than Mavs. They could play this match 10 times more and result would have been the same. It wasn't about bad night only or people not doing max., it's about the concept.

[agentofatlas]

Doncic 40% USG% might not be such a bad idea afterall KP is still tingus pingus and if role players can't hit their 3's, it's game over. Brunson still going 1v5 most of the time aswell... Nothing changed.

That's my hot take after game 1

I don't agree that nothing has changed. Under RC Mavs were always creating open looks. They might have bad shooting nights and were losing big, but today this wasn't about bad shooting night, it was about being totally lost in offense.

Don't give me the Carlisle was a genius rhetoric.

He wasn't smart enough to leave Luka Doncic in game 3 vs the Clippers, up by 27 points with a 2-0 series lead. Carlisle is no genius. He's just an arrogant prick who lost the team and lost his job.

Dunno about genius but at least he had common sense on offense.

[Bob8]

Maybe we should realistically look at Mavs roster once again. Let compare Mavs and Hawks. We can leave Luka/Trae out and see what both have to play with.

Powell vs. Capela
KP vs Collins
Kleber vs. Galo
Dfs, Bullock vs Hunter, Reddish
THJ, Brunson vs Bogdanovic, Huerter

I don't believe that a single Mavs player has advantage over his Hawks counterpart.

This is a real problem, how can you realistically expect Mavs to be better than team with that much better roster?

Luka had monster numbers with great shooting in playoffs, but still wasn't enough. And what Mavs did? They added Bullock/Brown and decided to take the ball out of his hands.

[41Dirk41]

I think now it's clear for all the big difference of quality of those 2 rosters, and it's not 1 game...this core is at third year and nothing changed. Luka plus a bunch of role players.

Embarassing lost.... Hope that stupid Cuban finally understand the situation.

[41Dirk41]

Maybe we should realistically look at Mavs roster once again. Let compare Mavs and Hawks. We can leave Luka/Trae out and see what both have to play with.

Powell vs. Capela
KP vs Collins
Kleber vs. Galo
Dfs, Bullock vs Hunter, Reddish
THJ, Brunson vs Bogdanovic, Huerter

I don't believe that a single Mavs player has advantage over his Hawks counterpart.

No news for me...it's about 2months that we wrote the same things. It's the reality.
Mediocrity coming, Luka is a 45/50W man but alone he can't do more.

Players like DFS, Bullock, Maxi, Powell ecc ecc are too limited, look at Hawks role players they can dribble, pass and create thier own shoots.

Probably we will play better next games but we are those...more or less...

[XTraderXL]

I think now it's clear for all the big difference of quality of those 2 rosters, and it's not 1 game...this core is at third year and nothing changed. Luka plus a bunch of role players.

Embarassing lost.... Hope that stupid Cuban finally understand the situation.

Hoping Cuban will finally realize he is a dumb idiot when it comes to basketball is very optimistic. He has been the biggest Mavericks problem for years now.

[Mavrelous]

Hunter and Reddish are great defenders, I rarely watch the Hawks, Hunter has a long future in this league if he stays healthy.
Mavs screens sucked, KP isn't great at it, but Powell and WCS are, and they did a horrible job probably because of the defense, the team never got into rhythm, in the 1st half they missed a ton of open shots.
DFS isn't himself, wasn't in the preseason, and it got worse now, he needs to wake up, it's contract year for him and he's 29, this is the worst time possible to suck.
Defense was great before they threw away the game, KP sucked on offense, but he was the rim protector we wanted, Capella feasted in the P&R.
I expected a loss, I didn't expect it to come from this bad offense, I wouldn't take away much from this game.
THJ needs to go to the bench, the 2nd unit is too weak without him, and Bullock needs to get into rhythm faster.
Luka needs to have high usage, especially when Brunson is on the bench, deferring to THJ and KP is no go, these guys need to finish not create, he can play off ball when Brunson is in, and even then, if he gets the ball with 10 seconds on the clock, don't expect miracle, he has his own pace.

[agentofatlas]

I'll be honest. I liked what they did in the offseason. It was the kind of offseason I wished they did one or two summers ago. Signing good wings (sorely missing in this team for a while) who can shoot is great with Luka ball. Which is probably why we should go back to that offense cause the roster can only succeed with that type offense at the moment.

[agentofatlas]

Hunter and Reddish are great defenders, I rarely watch the Hawks, Hunter has a long future in this league if he stays healthy.
Mavs screens sucked, KP isn't great at it, but Powell and WCS are, and they did a horrible job probably because of the defense, the team never got into rhythm, in the 1st half they missed a ton of open shots.
DFS isn't himself, wasn't in the preseason, and it got worse now, he needs to wake up, it's contract year for him and he's 29, this is the worst time possible to suck.
Defense was great before they threw away the game, KP sucked on offense, but he was the rim protector we wanted, Capella feasted in the P&R.
I expected a loss, I didn't expect it to come from this bad offense, I wouldn't take away much from this game.
THJ needs to go to the bench, the 2nd unit is too weak without him, and Bullock needs to get into rhythm faster.
Luka needs to have high usage, especially when Brunson is on the bench, deferring to THJ and KP is no go, these guys need to finish not create, he can play off ball when Brunson is in, and even then, if he gets the ball with 10 seconds on the clock, don't expect miracle, he has his own pace.

DFS has always been a tad overrated. Wouldn't mind if we start Bullock or Brown ahead of him. Hell, maybe start both and have THJ score off the bench.

[Bob8]

I'll be honest. I liked what they did in the offseason. It was the kind of offseason I wished they did one or two summers ago. Signing good wings (sorely missing in this team for a while) who can shoot is great with Luka ball. Which is probably why we should go back to that offense cause the roster can only succeed with that type offense at the moment.

We should go back to that offense, but the main problems will remain the same, not good enough roster to do something more than only reach the playoffs, having max. player, who has negative value and no assets for a trade, isn't helping of course. As soon as Mavs realise they they will have to construct roster around Luka from 0, better will be. I have never seen roster with so little ball handling ability in my life and on top of that, majority of them aren't shooters either.

[41Dirk41]

I'll be honest. I liked what they did in the offseason. It was the kind of offseason I wished they did one or two summers ago. Signing good wings (sorely missing in this team for a while) who can shoot is great with Luka ball. Which is probably why we should go back to that offense cause the roster can only succeed with that type offense at the moment.

Sorry man but this is a bad way to think, our roster is full of those mediocre 3&D wings...adding an other pair doesn't resolve our problems.
We need talent, but i have read people who don't trade Maxi for Markaneen. I quit.

[41Dirk41]

Hunter and Reddish are great defenders, I rarely watch the Hawks, Hunter has a long future in this league if he stays healthy.
Mavs screens sucked, KP isn't great at it, but Powell and WCS are, and they did a horrible job probably because of the defense, the team never got into rhythm, in the 1st half they missed a ton of open shots.
DFS isn't himself, wasn't in the preseason, and it got worse now, he needs to wake up, it's contract year for him and he's 29, this is the worst time possible to suck.
Defense was great before they threw away the game, KP sucked on offense, but he was the rim protector we wanted, Capella feasted in the P&R.
I expected a loss, I didn't expect it to come from this bad offense, I wouldn't take away much from this game.
THJ needs to go to the bench, the 2nd unit is too weak without him, and Bullock needs to get into rhythm faster.
Luka needs to have high usage, especially when Brunson is on the bench, deferring to THJ and KP is no go, these guys need to finish not create, he can play off ball when Brunson is in, and even then, if he gets the ball with 10 seconds on the clock, don't expect miracle, he has his own pace.

Hawks are full of high draft picks, they are good basketball players.
You can't compare them to our role players who can have a good game sometimes...change Luka and Trae, you have a contender and a lottery team.

[Bob8]

Hunter and Reddish are great defenders, I rarely watch the Hawks, Hunter has a long future in this league if he stays healthy.
Mavs screens sucked, KP isn't great at it, but Powell and WCS are, and they did a horrible job probably because of the defense, the team never got into rhythm, in the 1st half they missed a ton of open shots.
DFS isn't himself, wasn't in the preseason, and it got worse now, he needs to wake up, it's contract year for him and he's 29, this is the worst time possible to suck.
Defense was great before they threw away the game, KP sucked on offense, but he was the rim protector we wanted, Capella feasted in the P&R.
I expected a loss, I didn't expect it to come from this bad offense, I wouldn't take away much from this game.
THJ needs to go to the bench, the 2nd unit is too weak without him, and Bullock needs to get into rhythm faster.
Luka needs to have high usage, especially when Brunson is on the bench, deferring to THJ and KP is no go, these guys need to finish not create, he can play off ball when Brunson is in, and even then, if he gets the ball with 10 seconds on the clock, don't expect miracle, he has his own pace.

DFS has always been a tad overrated. Wouldn't mind if we start Bullock or Brown ahead of him. Hell, maybe start both and have THJ score off the bench.

And who will create shots for THJ? THJ biggest improvement, when he came from Knicks, was limiting number of dribbles. He became much more efficient because of that. The reason he could do that is Luka. Put THJ playing with second team and he will need to create more, what isn't exactly his virtue. If we could add Goran or some other solid guard that option would have been much more realistic. Goran running second team would have been huge. Unfortunately we did too little in offseason, like many years before. When players like Kleber, Dfs and Brunson, who are the only 3 with some value are untouchable, then you know you're in big ****.

[Bob8]

Hunter and Reddish are great defenders, I rarely watch the Hawks, Hunter has a long future in this league if he stays healthy.
Mavs screens sucked, KP isn't great at it, but Powell and WCS are, and they did a horrible job probably because of the defense, the team never got into rhythm, in the 1st half they missed a ton of open shots.
DFS isn't himself, wasn't in the preseason, and it got worse now, he needs to wake up, it's contract year for him and he's 29, this is the worst time possible to suck.
Defense was great before they threw away the game, KP sucked on offense, but he was the rim protector we wanted, Capella feasted in the P&R.
I expected a loss, I didn't expect it to come from this bad offense, I wouldn't take away much from this game.
THJ needs to go to the bench, the 2nd unit is too weak without him, and Bullock needs to get into rhythm faster.
Luka needs to have high usage, especially when Brunson is on the bench, deferring to THJ and KP is no go, these guys need to finish not create, he can play off ball when Brunson is in, and even then, if he gets the ball with 10 seconds on the clock, don't expect miracle, he has his own pace.

Hawks are full of high draft picks, they are good basketball players.
You can't compare them to our role players who can have a good game sometimes...change Luka and Trae, you have a contender and a lottery team.

Hawks are constructed exactly how Mavs should be. Only 1 dominant Pg, shooters, defensive wings and rim protector. Schlenk did fantastic job.

[XTraderXL]

Hunter and Reddish are great defenders, I rarely watch the Hawks, Hunter has a long future in this league if he stays healthy.
Mavs screens sucked, KP isn't great at it, but Powell and WCS are, and they did a horrible job probably because of the defense, the team never got into rhythm, in the 1st half they missed a ton of open shots.
DFS isn't himself, wasn't in the preseason, and it got worse now, he needs to wake up, it's contract year for him and he's 29, this is the worst time possible to suck.
Defense was great before they threw away the game, KP sucked on offense, but he was the rim protector we wanted, Capella feasted in the P&R.
I expected a loss, I didn't expect it to come from this bad offense, I wouldn't take away much from this game.
THJ needs to go to the bench, the 2nd unit is too weak without him, and Bullock needs to get into rhythm faster.
Luka needs to have high usage, especially when Brunson is on the bench, deferring to THJ and KP is no go, these guys need to finish not create, he can play off ball when Brunson is in, and even then, if he gets the ball with 10 seconds on the clock, don't expect miracle, he has his own pace.

Hawks are full of high draft picks, they are good basketball players.
You can't compare them to our role players who can have a good game sometimes...change Luka and Trae, you have a contender and a lottery team.

Hawks are constructed exactly how Mavs should be. Only 1 dominant Pg, shooters, defensive wings and rim protector. Schlenk did fantastic job.

We had this debate a couple of days ago and some people didnt want to admit that Atlanta did a much better job building their team than Dallas. Dallas actually didnt build anything, they have had pracitcally identical roster since THJ trade which happened in Lukas rookie season:)

[41Dirk41]

Hunter and Reddish are great defenders, I rarely watch the Hawks, Hunter has a long future in this league if he stays healthy.
Mavs screens sucked, KP isn't great at it, but Powell and WCS are, and they did a horrible job probably because of the defense, the team never got into rhythm, in the 1st half they missed a ton of open shots.
DFS isn't himself, wasn't in the preseason, and it got worse now, he needs to wake up, it's contract year for him and he's 29, this is the worst time possible to suck.
Defense was great before they threw away the game, KP sucked on offense, but he was the rim protector we wanted, Capella feasted in the P&R.
I expected a loss, I didn't expect it to come from this bad offense, I wouldn't take away much from this game.
THJ needs to go to the bench, the 2nd unit is too weak without him, and Bullock needs to get into rhythm faster.
Luka needs to have high usage, especially when Brunson is on the bench, deferring to THJ and KP is no go, these guys need to finish not create, he can play off ball when Brunson is in, and even then, if he gets the ball with 10 seconds on the clock, don't expect miracle, he has his own pace.

Hawks are full of high draft picks, they are good basketball players.
You can't compare them to our role players who can have a good game sometimes...change Luka and Trae, you have a contender and a lottery team.

Hawks are constructed exactly how Mavs should be. Only 1 dominant Pg, shooters, defensive wings and rim protector. Schlenk did fantastic job.

You are very ungenerous with them, they are good basketball players first of all...

[agentofatlas]

I'll be honest. I liked what they did in the offseason. It was the kind of offseason I wished they did one or two summers ago. Signing good wings (sorely missing in this team for a while) who can shoot is great with Luka ball. Which is probably why we should go back to that offense cause the roster can only succeed with that type offense at the moment.

Sorry man but this is a bad way to think, our roster is full of those mediocre 3&D wings...adding an other pair doesn't resolve our problems.
We need talent, but i have read people who don't trade Maxi for Markaneen. I quit.

I've been a Mavs fan for long time. No one is signing here. And I don't believe the narrative that players are gonna sign here because of Luka. Most of these star players grew up together for the most part and Luka is outside that circle.

As for the roster having full 3 and D wings, I'm sorry man but you need to look back on the rosters we had going back to when Luka was a rookie. Barnes and Matthews was probably the last ones. Since then we had a plethora of guards and bigs but very thin on the wings. There is a reason why DFS is slotted as the starter for about 3 years now. There's a reason why the Mavs use Maxi as a wing defender when he's better as a help side one. The last two playoffs really exposed this aspect in the lineup.

As for why I liked these signings, unlike the other defensive wings the Mavs brought in, Bullock and Brown seem to know how to shoot. Also they don't seem to be undersized when guarding SFs. If they out perform their contract even better, cause now you have some assets you can actually trade to get that second option.

[agentofatlas]

Hunter and Reddish are great defenders, I rarely watch the Hawks, Hunter has a long future in this league if he stays healthy.
Mavs screens sucked, KP isn't great at it, but Powell and WCS are, and they did a horrible job probably because of the defense, the team never got into rhythm, in the 1st half they missed a ton of open shots.
DFS isn't himself, wasn't in the preseason, and it got worse now, he needs to wake up, it's contract year for him and he's 29, this is the worst time possible to suck.
Defense was great before they threw away the game, KP sucked on offense, but he was the rim protector we wanted, Capella feasted in the P&R.
I expected a loss, I didn't expect it to come from this bad offense, I wouldn't take away much from this game.
THJ needs to go to the bench, the 2nd unit is too weak without him, and Bullock needs to get into rhythm faster.
Luka needs to have high usage, especially when Brunson is on the bench, deferring to THJ and KP is no go, these guys need to finish not create, he can play off ball when Brunson is in, and even then, if he gets the ball with 10 seconds on the clock, don't expect miracle, he has his own pace.

DFS has always been a tad overrated. Wouldn't mind if we start Bullock or Brown ahead of him. Hell, maybe start both and have THJ score off the bench.

And who will create shots for THJ? THJ biggest improvement, when he came from Knicks, was limiting number of dribbles. He became much more efficient because of that. The reason he could do that is Luka. Put THJ playing with second team and he will need to create more, what isn't exactly his virtue. If we could add Goran or some other solid guard that option would have been much more realistic. Goran running second team would have been huge. Unfortunately we did too little in offseason, like many years before. When players like Kleber, Dfs and Brunson, who are the only 3 with some value are untouchable, then you know you're in big ****.

Just have Brunson run the 2nd unit. I mean THJ did alright in the bench before he'll be fine.

[Bob8]

Hawks are full of high draft picks, they are good basketball players.
You can't compare them to our role players who can have a good game sometimes...change Luka and Trae, you have a contender and a lottery team.

Hawks are constructed exactly how Mavs should be. Only 1 dominant Pg, shooters, defensive wings and rim protector. Schlenk did fantastic job.

We had this debate a couple of days ago and some people didnt want to admit that Atlanta did a much better job building their team than Dallas. Dallas actually didnt build anything, they have had pracitcally identical roster since THJ trade which happened in Lukas rookie season:)

I'm trying to explain that for a year, but the answer here is we should believe in Mavs and be optimistic.

[boogiezen]

I still remember that clown here blaming Luka for being a ballhog and why the Mavs lost again in the first round. See in this game? No one in this current team that can create shot for himself and to his teammates!!!! They're limited!! Just look at DFS posting up three times! Lol. Hilarious!