RS 22/23 - Mavs vs Suns (Sunday, 1PM EST)

[Ni Da Ye]

You clearly didn't follow that team if you don't know what i'm talking about. When Gasol got traded, he obviously improved the team but he had to toughen up. His biggest criticism was the fact that he got constantly bullied. That changed once Lakers got their ass kicked by the Celtics.

So i don't know what your point is with Kyrie because there are zero issues with him so far.

I clearly watched the games back then and knew what i am talking about.

I didn't say Pau was flawless in the Laskers, I said Pau had no problem gelling with the team and improved their winning records.

Kyrie's issue is not his numbers, the issue is that has not translated to WINNING, which is why we brought him here.

Kyrie's On/Off numbers are +10.9 and Mavs ORTG with him on the floor is 129, almost 9 higher than with Doncic and 3pt higher than Jokic's. Defense is slightly worse but that's not his problem. He's actually way better than Dinwiddie who's On/Off was constantly around -10.

Problem is in Mavs lineup combinations and paint protection. Best Mavs lineup of Luka, Green, Hardaway, Maxi, Wood, barely plays together. They are team high +11. You insert Kyrie in to the mix instead of THJ and you have something special. A good mixture of offense, defense and great spacing. Kidd is too dumb to figure this out and Maxi was obviously injured.

But the point is, Kyrie is NOT the problem. He's averaging 26/7 on 65% TS. Chemistry is also there but the same factors that bothered Mavs last season in the playoffs are very much present today.
No team is going to win anything if they can't protect their own rim. You saw Suns scored almost all of their points in the paint at the start of the game. Same thing happened vs Pacers when Rick used Turner to absolutey abuse Powell in PnR. Suns followed the same plan.

When did I say Kyrie is the single problem?

What I said was if trading for someone like Kyrie can directly translate to winning? That's a good trade to me.

Otherwise, it means either/or situation below:
1) Kyrie by himself is not good enough to help us translate to winning. (Thank about it, if we got KD instead of Kyrie, we probably wouldn't have the 2-6 records when the two stars are playing together)
2) If Kyrie by himself is not good enough, we must have follow up trade to complete the roster.

So far, neither 1) nor 2) happened, hence why the 2-6 records.

[Archx]

I clearly watched the games back then and knew what i am talking about.

I didn't say Pau was flawless in the Laskers, I said Pau had no problem gelling with the team and improved their winning records.

Kyrie's issue is not his numbers, the issue is that has not translated to WINNING, which is why we brought him here.

Kyrie's On/Off numbers are +10.9 and Mavs ORTG with him on the floor is 129, almost 9 higher than with Doncic and 3pt higher than Jokic's. Defense is slightly worse but that's not his problem. He's actually way better than Dinwiddie who's On/Off was constantly around -10.

Problem is in Mavs lineup combinations and paint protection. Best Mavs lineup of Luka, Green, Hardaway, Maxi, Wood, barely plays together. They are team high +11. You insert Kyrie in to the mix instead of THJ and you have something special. A good mixture of offense, defense and great spacing. Kidd is too dumb to figure this out and Maxi was obviously injured.

But the point is, Kyrie is NOT the problem. He's averaging 26/7 on 65% TS. Chemistry is also there but the same factors that bothered Mavs last season in the playoffs are very much present today.
No team is going to win anything if they can't protect their own rim. You saw Suns scored almost all of their points in the paint at the start of the game. Same thing happened vs Pacers when Rick used Turner to absolutey abuse Powell in PnR. Suns followed the same plan.

When did I say Kyrie is the single problem?

What I said was if trading for someone like Kyrie can directly translate to winning? That's a good trade to me.

Otherwise, it means either/or situation below:
1) Kyrie by himself is not good enough to help us translate to winning. (Thank about it, if we got KD instead of Kyrie, we probably wouldn't have the 2-6 records when the two stars are playing together)
2) If Kyrie by himself is not good enough, we must have follow up trade to complete the roster.

So far, neither 1) nor 2) happened, hence why the 2-6 records.

Offense is not an issue and KD is not a defensive stopper. Kyrie is better than Dinwiddie in all aspects and it shows because Mavs offense has become actually better than what it was.
But the point that i am trying to make is, Mavs defense is horrible. They had to score 133pts to barely beat Philly. Do you realize how crazy that is? They scored 128, 121, 122, 126 points all in losses.

I posted you numbers for Kyrie to prove that he's playing a winning basketball. Actually overall, he's been better than Doncic since he returned from injury.

Kyrie is not losing them games, poor lineup management and zero rim protection/no rebounding is why Mavs are losing.

[arkuo]

It's more of an experiment this year to see what the ceiling is with Kyrie. Younguys dont get upset because the team is not a finished product yet. They need to get more pieces in the summer. Getting Kyrie like 5 days before the deadline doesnt help with flexibility. But for other moves to be done, Kyrie has to sign his extension first, then the other dominoes can fall. It all starts with that. This year the team will just have to go as far as they can with the pieces that they have. See where the ceiling is with this Kyrie - Luka tandem. Cuban will likely invest close to half a billion dollars to keep these two alone.

[kacey ring]

This team has had some brutal losses recently. Two, three, and four point losses all over the place.

Agreed.

They’ve had so many close games this year. 12 losses of 1-5 points vs 15 wins of 1-5 points. Surely, all these close games will pay off come playoff time.

[oldshoolballer]

Watching this team I'm convinced Jason Kidd is a complete idiot. What is this infatuation with Powell. He's garbage Wood should be starting. I like Green but he's not a starter. THJ should be starting over him. The roles on the team is all screwed up.

[dirkules_41]

Kyrie's On/Off numbers are +10.9 and Mavs ORTG with him on the floor is 129, almost 9 higher than with Doncic and 3pt higher than Jokic's. Defense is slightly worse but that's not his problem. He's actually way better than Dinwiddie who's On/Off was constantly around -10.

Problem is in Mavs lineup combinations and paint protection. Best Mavs lineup of Luka, Green, Hardaway, Maxi, Wood, barely plays together. They are team high +11. You insert Kyrie in to the mix instead of THJ and you have something special. A good mixture of offense, defense and great spacing. Kidd is too dumb to figure this out and Maxi was obviously injured.

But the point is, Kyrie is NOT the problem. He's averaging 26/7 on 65% TS. Chemistry is also there but the same factors that bothered Mavs last season in the playoffs are very much present today.
No team is going to win anything if they can't protect their own rim. You saw Suns scored almost all of their points in the paint at the start of the game. Same thing happened vs Pacers when Rick used Turner to absolutey abuse Powell in PnR. Suns followed the same plan.

When did I say Kyrie is the single problem?

What I said was if trading for someone like Kyrie can directly translate to winning? That's a good trade to me.

Otherwise, it means either/or situation below:
1) Kyrie by himself is not good enough to help us translate to winning. (Thank about it, if we got KD instead of Kyrie, we probably wouldn't have the 2-6 records when the two stars are playing together)
2) If Kyrie by himself is not good enough, we must have follow up trade to complete the roster.

So far, neither 1) nor 2) happened, hence why the 2-6 records.

Offense is not an issue and KD is not a defensive stopper. Kyrie is better than Dinwiddie in all aspects and it shows because Mavs offense has become actually better than what it was.
But the point that i am trying to make is, Mavs defense is horrible. They had to score 133pts to barely beat Philly. Do you realize how crazy that is? They scored 128, 121, 122, 126 points all in losses.

I posted you numbers for Kyrie to prove that he's playing a winning basketball. Actually overall, he's been better than Doncic since he returned from injury.

Kyrie is not losing them games, poor lineup management and zero rim protection/no rebounding is why Mavs are losing.

Thank you, this is spot on.

[41Dirk41]

When did I say Kyrie is the single problem?

What I said was if trading for someone like Kyrie can directly translate to winning? That's a good trade to me.

Otherwise, it means either/or situation below:
1) Kyrie by himself is not good enough to help us translate to winning. (Thank about it, if we got KD instead of Kyrie, we probably wouldn't have the 2-6 records when the two stars are playing together)
2) If Kyrie by himself is not good enough, we must have follow up trade to complete the roster.

So far, neither 1) nor 2) happened, hence why the 2-6 records.

Offense is not an issue and KD is not a defensive stopper. Kyrie is better than Dinwiddie in all aspects and it shows because Mavs offense has become actually better than what it was.
But the point that i am trying to make is, Mavs defense is horrible. They had to score 133pts to barely beat Philly. Do you realize how crazy that is? They scored 128, 121, 122, 126 points all in losses.

I posted you numbers for Kyrie to prove that he's playing a winning basketball. Actually overall, he's been better than Doncic since he returned from injury.

Kyrie is not losing them games, poor lineup management and zero rim protection/no rebounding is why Mavs are losing.

Thank you, this is spot on.

Kyrie played amazing basketball and not so bad defense.
Luka played worse than him in those games.

You are right, we are not a finish product, we have 2 big holes.
A motivated Wood could fix 1 of those in some way this season but Kidd is not the coach, he only watches games.
Just like us

[41Dirk41]

Instead Green was a little bit disappointed so far... But he is young, i said he could had ups and downs this season.
He needs to play as most as possible.

[41Dirk41]

When did I say Kyrie is the single problem?

What I said was if trading for someone like Kyrie can directly translate to winning? That's a good trade to me.

6 February 2023

Yes our FO did something. Obviously. They made a terrible trade.

I'm not arguing they shouldn't do something. They absolutely should. Especially after one mistake after another. But to me this Kyrie trade tops all the past mistakes.

[SOUNDCHASER]

Powell is like that little loser ass kid that always tries hard but they always lose giving it their best shot but the fact is that best is just not good enough and to make matters worse he evidently has pics or he is really good at something or other and Kidd can't get it anywhere else so he has a pretty hard core man crush on Powell.

I wonder what they call each other when they get together to have their quality time. Got to make the cartoon as accurate as possible this way the graphic artist can be accurate when someone does a South Park style cartoon and they create the dialog with Kidd and Powell and make it like that episode with Satan on South Park.

Watch on YouTube

Kidd needs to play Chris and Powell can play Satan's part and then maybe Cuban can play the part of Sadam.

Some of you guys got to be ok with graphics software maybe they can get them to show it at games on the big screens.

That would be sofa king epic.

All you got to do is swap the heads out and change a little dialog that you overdub and insert.

[dirkules_41]

Wood has got to play more. He’s doesn’t play defense, but Powell doesn’t either. He’s twice the offensive player Powell is.

That's a mild understatement, I'd say it's probably closer to roughly 5.8975x better on offense
Powell is DFS level bad on offense with also no defense but a lot of hustle. Just not cutting it at top level for ages now. But I guess he knows something about Kidd that can't get out.

[41Dirk41]

Wood has got to play more. He’s doesn’t play defense, but Powell doesn’t either. He’s twice the offensive player Powell is.

That's a mild understatement, I'd say it's probably closer to roughly 5.8975x better on offense
Powell is DFS level bad on offense with also no defense but a lot of hustle. Just not cutting it at top level for ages now. But I guess he knows something about Kidd that can't get out.

Wood is a decent 1vs1 defender... He is bad on rotations and switch.

[Darren]

Kyrie's On/Off numbers are +10.9 and Mavs ORTG with him on the floor is 129, almost 9 higher than with Doncic and 3pt higher than Jokic's. Defense is slightly worse but that's not his problem. He's actually way better than Dinwiddie who's On/Off was constantly around -10.

Problem is in Mavs lineup combinations and paint protection. Best Mavs lineup of Luka, Green, Hardaway, Maxi, Wood, barely plays together. They are team high +11. You insert Kyrie in to the mix instead of THJ and you have something special. A good mixture of offense, defense and great spacing. Kidd is too dumb to figure this out and Maxi was obviously injured.

But the point is, Kyrie is NOT the problem. He's averaging 26/7 on 65% TS. Chemistry is also there but the same factors that bothered Mavs last season in the playoffs are very much present today.
No team is going to win anything if they can't protect their own rim. You saw Suns scored almost all of their points in the paint at the start of the game. Same thing happened vs Pacers when Rick used Turner to absolutey abuse Powell in PnR. Suns followed the same plan.

When did I say Kyrie is the single problem?

What I said was if trading for someone like Kyrie can directly translate to winning? That's a good trade to me.

Otherwise, it means either/or situation below:
1) Kyrie by himself is not good enough to help us translate to winning. (Thank about it, if we got KD instead of Kyrie, we probably wouldn't have the 2-6 records when the two stars are playing together)
2) If Kyrie by himself is not good enough, we must have follow up trade to complete the roster.

So far, neither 1) nor 2) happened, hence why the 2-6 records.

Offense is not an issue and KD is not a defensive stopper. Kyrie is better than Dinwiddie in all aspects and it shows because Mavs offense has become actually better than what it was.
But the point that i am trying to make is, Mavs defense is horrible. They had to score 133pts to barely beat Philly. Do you realize how crazy that is? They scored 128, 121, 122, 126 points all in losses.

I posted you numbers for Kyrie to prove that he's playing a winning basketball. Actually overall, he's been better than Doncic since he returned from injury.

Kyrie is not losing them games, poor lineup management and zero rim protection/no rebounding is why Mavs are losing.

The Mavs management and coaching staff's fascination in Dwight Powell is the problem. They don't even prioritize in bringing in a real frontcourt piece. Let's face it. The Mavs plan to re-sign Powell despite remain mediocre for next 5 years with 1st round exit.

[dirkules_41]

Wood has got to play more. He’s doesn’t play defense, but Powell doesn’t either. He’s twice the offensive player Powell is.

That's a mild understatement, I'd say it's probably closer to roughly 5.8975x better on offense
Powell is DFS level bad on offense with also no defense but a lot of hustle. Just not cutting it at top level for ages now. But I guess he knows something about Kidd that can't get out.

Wood is a decent 1vs1 defender... He is bad on rotations and switch.

Yup fully with you. Still about 8x better than Powell as a total player.

[mxr2000]

Kidd should trust woods closing games we need his offence Powell desapear on defense in crusial moments or we should play both and Holiday should get more shots too.