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Post#101 » by Dmavs12 » Mon May 27, 2024 8:33 pm

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Watched this video to get some good vibes on Maxi. came away feeling worse knowing Powell can’t make a shot in practice. :( :banghead:
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Post#102 » by 41Dirk41 » Mon May 27, 2024 8:50 pm

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dirkules_41 wrote:We just did exactly that. He played 8min early in the first half and we were down in Q4, effectively resetting the game and managed to win.


Put Powell in those 9 minutes and see how many points we should had recovered... I'm happy to see you so confident, i'm very scared to play a game without 1 of Lively/Gaff out (mostly with Maxi out too).

That was a huge W, 50% from 3 and Luka&Kyrie scored a lot of very tough shots in the 4th... Without Lively we need another super performance by our guys. Hard. Very hard.

Nothing is easy at this level/stage but they just did it. I'd much rather have Lively out there but if we don't, it's next man up. DP actually played pretty decent in those limited minutes. I guess it'll have to be Gafford for 32min or so and then about 16min of holding our collective breaths with DP patrolling the boards.


Gafford is an efficient 20/25 Min guy, plus 2 early fouls and we are done.
It's obviously that Live can't play it's next man up but in that case we have a big problem... Say we won the 4th quarter without Lively then we can win a game without him is a no sense. That's a complete different situation.
We allowed a lot of points in the paint last game.
And please no,Powell didn't play decent. Come on.
He missed 2 easy layup and he was a T-Rex arms cone on the defensive end.
This narrative is ended years ago :lol:

If Maxi doesn't come back we see Mavs lose G4.
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Post#103 » by ozwizard8 » Mon May 27, 2024 9:03 pm

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Watched this video to get some good vibes on Maxi. came away feeling worse knowing Powell can’t make a shot in practice. :( :banghead:

I do not mind Powell as 4th string Center.

Lively-Gafford-Maxi are ahead of Powell. He only gets bench minutes after two injuries. As a 4th string center I cannot complain too much about him. I always bashed him in this sub but that was because he was a f'in starter.
Btw its also pathetic that neither KP nor Wood was able to perform better than him at C.

We need both Lively-Maxi back in Finals. It's going to be tough matchup-wise.

Congrats for yesterday's game! Props to the coaching staff again. J.Kidd and T.Lue are probably the best at exposing Gobert-fraud in the last few years. Even Hardy is feasting not just Luka-Kyrie.
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Re: Playoffs 2024 - WCF - G3 - Mavs v Wolves (Sund., 8:30PMEST) 

Post#104 » by dirkules_41 » Mon May 27, 2024 9:17 pm

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Put Powell in those 9 minutes and see how many points we should had recovered... I'm happy to see you so confident, i'm very scared to play a game without 1 of Lively/Gaff out (mostly with Maxi out too).

That was a huge W, 50% from 3 and Luka&Kyrie scored a lot of very tough shots in the 4th... Without Lively we need another super performance by our guys. Hard. Very hard.

Nothing is easy at this level/stage but they just did it. I'd much rather have Lively out there but if we don't, it's next man up. DP actually played pretty decent in those limited minutes. I guess it'll have to be Gafford for 32min or so and then about 16min of holding our collective breaths with DP patrolling the boards.


Gafford is an efficient 20/25 Min guy, plus 2 early fouls and we are done.
It's obviously that Live can't play it's next man up but in that case we have a big problem... Say we won the 4th quarter without Lively then we can win a game without him is a no sense. That's a complete different situation.
We allowed a lot of points in the paint last game.
And please no,Powell didn't play decent. Come on.
He missed 2 easy layup and he was a T-Rex arms cone on the defensive end.
This narrative is ended years ago :lol:

If Maxi doesn't come back we see Mavs lose G4.

Well he's gonna have to pony up and play 30-40min and control his fouls. No other options unless you're keen on an extensive Dwight Powell or small ball experience.
Powell made 2 FTs and didn't do anything stupid. Was still better than the 2mins of small ball that made me contemplate ending my life.
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Post#105 » by Marko_MFFL » Mon May 27, 2024 9:18 pm

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Post#106 » by dirkules_41 » Mon May 27, 2024 9:22 pm

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Post#107 » by Bob8 » Mon May 27, 2024 9:25 pm

dirkules_41 wrote:
41Dirk41 wrote:
dirkules_41 wrote:Nothing is easy at this level/stage but they just did it. I'd much rather have Lively out there but if we don't, it's next man up. DP actually played pretty decent in those limited minutes. I guess it'll have to be Gafford for 32min or so and then about 16min of holding our collective breaths with DP patrolling the boards.


Gafford is an efficient 20/25 Min guy, plus 2 early fouls and we are done.
It's obviously that Live can't play it's next man up but in that case we have a big problem... Say we won the 4th quarter without Lively then we can win a game without him is a no sense. That's a complete different situation.
We allowed a lot of points in the paint last game.
And please no,Powell didn't play decent. Come on.
He missed 2 easy layup and he was a T-Rex arms cone on the defensive end.
This narrative is ended years ago :lol:

If Maxi doesn't come back we see Mavs lose G4.

Well he's gonna have to pony up and play 30-40min and control his fouls. No other options unless you're keen on an extensive Dwight Powell or small ball experience.
Powell made 2 FTs and didn't do anything stupid. Was still better than the 2mins of small ball that made me contemplate ending my life.


I'm afraid that Gafford just doesn't have stamina to play big minutes. How Kidd is managing his minutes for sure suggests it. I would just double Ant as much as possible and let them shooting 3s in non Gafford minutes. They can play some zone too. No small ball without Kleber for sure. And even, if he by chance plays, he for sure won't play much in his first game after the injury.

Wolves might try to double Luka hard in this game. I hope others will have good shooting night.

It will be interesting to see what psychological effect this Lively injury has on Mavs. I hope they will play extra hard because of it, doing everything to finish the series.

I hope that Wolves coach **** it up, doing too many changes. Some advices from media are absurd, you can't totally change how team is playing overnight. And they were playing good enough until clutch minutes.
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Post#108 » by Archx » Mon May 27, 2024 9:29 pm

Lively confirmed out, Maxi likely to play. Depends what kind of shape and form Maxi is still in but they're going to badly need him moving forward.
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Post#109 » by 41Dirk41 » Mon May 27, 2024 9:37 pm

Archx wrote:Lively confirmed out, Maxi likely to play. Depends what kind of shape and form Maxi is still in but they're going to badly need him moving forward.


Smart decision. We don't need to risk DLII now.

But we can risk and rush a Maxi recover, if he will help us to win next game he did his job for this year.
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Post#110 » by Bob8 » Mon May 27, 2024 9:41 pm

Archx wrote:Lively confirmed out, Maxi likely to play. Depends what kind of shape and form Maxi is still in but they're going to badly need him moving forward.


Why likely, was something said about his chances to play?
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Post#111 » by Archx » Mon May 27, 2024 11:55 pm

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Archx wrote:Lively confirmed out, Maxi likely to play. Depends what kind of shape and form Maxi is still in but they're going to badly need him moving forward.


Why likely, was something said about his chances to play?


He's been upgraded and insiders are saying he's more than likely playing. Also just watched their morning shooting practice and he's looking good.

I hope they're right because i think they'll need him more in rotation than Powell.
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Post#112 » by dirkules_41 » Tue May 28, 2024 5:46 am

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Gafford is an efficient 20/25 Min guy, plus 2 early fouls and we are done.
It's obviously that Live can't play it's next man up but in that case we have a big problem... Say we won the 4th quarter without Lively then we can win a game without him is a no sense. That's a complete different situation.
We allowed a lot of points in the paint last game.
And please no,Powell didn't play decent. Come on.
He missed 2 easy layup and he was a T-Rex arms cone on the defensive end.
This narrative is ended years ago :lol:

If Maxi doesn't come back we see Mavs lose G4.

Well he's gonna have to pony up and play 30-40min and control his fouls. No other options unless you're keen on an extensive Dwight Powell or small ball experience.
Powell made 2 FTs and didn't do anything stupid. Was still better than the 2mins of small ball that made me contemplate ending my life.


I'm afraid that Gafford just doesn't have stamina to play big minutes. How Kidd is managing his minutes for sure suggests it. I would just double Ant as much as possible and let them shooting 3s in non Gafford minutes. They can play some zone too. No small ball without Kleber for sure. And even, if he by chance plays, he for sure won't play much in his first game after the injury.

Wolves might try to double Luka hard in this game. I hope others will have good shooting night.

It will be interesting to see what psychological effect this Lively injury has on Mavs. I hope they will play extra hard because of it, doing everything to finish the series.

I hope that Wolves coach **** it up, doing too many changes. Some advices from media are absurd, you can't totally change how team is playing overnight. And they were playing good enough until clutch minutes.

I also see it as a risk but we have to make do with what we have and a tired Gaff is certainly still immensely more productive than a rested Dwight or Markieff.
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Post#113 » by Bob8 » Tue May 28, 2024 6:40 am

dirkules_41 wrote:
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dirkules_41 wrote:Well he's gonna have to pony up and play 30-40min and control his fouls. No other options unless you're keen on an extensive Dwight Powell or small ball experience.
Powell made 2 FTs and didn't do anything stupid. Was still better than the 2mins of small ball that made me contemplate ending my life.


I'm afraid that Gafford just doesn't have stamina to play big minutes. How Kidd is managing his minutes for sure suggests it. I would just double Ant as much as possible and let them shooting 3s in non Gafford minutes. They can play some zone too. No small ball without Kleber for sure. And even, if he by chance plays, he for sure won't play much in his first game after the injury.

Wolves might try to double Luka hard in this game. I hope others will have good shooting night.

It will be interesting to see what psychological effect this Lively injury has on Mavs. I hope they will play extra hard because of it, doing everything to finish the series.

I hope that Wolves coach **** it up, doing too many changes. Some advices from media are absurd, you can't totally change how team is playing overnight. And they were playing good enough until clutch minutes.

I also see it as a risk but we have to make do with what we have and a tired Gaff is certainly still immensely more productive than a rested Dwight or Markieff.


The only difference Kidd made after Lively injury is Gafford getting his closing minutes, we will have to survive 20 minutes without Gafford, if he isn't in foul trouble.
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Post#114 » by dirkules_41 » Tue May 28, 2024 8:26 am

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I'm afraid that Gafford just doesn't have stamina to play big minutes. How Kidd is managing his minutes for sure suggests it. I would just double Ant as much as possible and let them shooting 3s in non Gafford minutes. They can play some zone too. No small ball without Kleber for sure. And even, if he by chance plays, he for sure won't play much in his first game after the injury.

Wolves might try to double Luka hard in this game. I hope others will have good shooting night.

It will be interesting to see what psychological effect this Lively injury has on Mavs. I hope they will play extra hard because of it, doing everything to finish the series.

I hope that Wolves coach **** it up, doing too many changes. Some advices from media are absurd, you can't totally change how team is playing overnight. And they were playing good enough until clutch minutes.

I also see it as a risk but we have to make do with what we have and a tired Gaff is certainly still immensely more productive than a rested Dwight or Markieff.


The only difference Kidd made after Lively injury is Gafford getting his closing minutes, we will have to survive 20 minutes without Gafford, if he isn't in foul trouble.

Well options aren't great, let's agree on that :D I'd rather see Gaff absorb more of those 20min than DP or Kieff. Hopefully Maxi can take a few.
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Post#115 » by dirkules_41 » Tue May 28, 2024 8:27 am

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I'm afraid that Gafford just doesn't have stamina to play big minutes. How Kidd is managing his minutes for sure suggests it. I would just double Ant as much as possible and let them shooting 3s in non Gafford minutes. They can play some zone too. No small ball without Kleber for sure. And even, if he by chance plays, he for sure won't play much in his first game after the injury.

Wolves might try to double Luka hard in this game. I hope others will have good shooting night.

It will be interesting to see what psychological effect this Lively injury has on Mavs. I hope they will play extra hard because of it, doing everything to finish the series.

I hope that Wolves coach **** it up, doing too many changes. Some advices from media are absurd, you can't totally change how team is playing overnight. And they were playing good enough until clutch minutes.

I also see it as a risk but we have to make do with what we have and a tired Gaff is certainly still immensely more productive than a rested Dwight or Markieff.


The only difference Kidd made after Lively injury is Gafford getting his closing minutes, we will have to survive 20 minutes without Gafford, if he isn't in foul trouble.

Well options aren't great, let's agree on that :D I'd rather see Gaff absorb more of those 20min than DP or Kieff. Hopefully Maxi can take a few.
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Post#116 » by Bob8 » Tue May 28, 2024 8:33 am

dirkules_41 wrote:
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dirkules_41 wrote:I also see it as a risk but we have to make do with what we have and a tired Gaff is certainly still immensely more productive than a rested Dwight or Markieff.


The only difference Kidd made after Lively injury is Gafford getting his closing minutes, we will have to survive 20 minutes without Gafford, if he isn't in foul trouble.

Well options aren't great, let's agree on that :D I'd rather see Gaff absorb more of those 20min than DP or Kieff. Hopefully Maxi can take a few.


If Kleber plays, I would imagine around 28 min to Gafford, 12 min for Kleber and 8 min for Powell. The scary scenario will be Gafford getting few quick fouls, then we would need one of those crazy scoring Luka's games. If I were Minnesota coach, I would start the game relentlessly attacking the rim.

On positive note, we have beaten Wolves in RS without Lively and Gafford with Powell playing 28 minutes. Powell having team's best +14 +/-.
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Post#117 » by 41Dirk41 » Wed May 29, 2024 3:46 am

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41Dirk41 wrote:I don't know if we can win another PO games without Lively. Mostly against Wolves.

We just did exactly that. He played 8min early in the first half and we were down in Q4, effectively resetting the game and managed to win.


Put Powell in those 9 minutes and see how many points we should had recovered... I'm happy to see you so confident, i'm very scared to play a game without 1 of Lively/Gaff out (mostly with Maxi out too).

That was a huge W, 50% from 3 and Luka&Kyrie scored a lot of very tough shots in the 4th... Without Lively we need another super performance by our guys. Hard. Very hard.


...and exactly this happened...
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Post#118 » by dirkules_41 » Wed May 29, 2024 7:34 am

The good news is that Lively looked pretty mobile on the bench. He was definitely able to turn his head, jump up and cheer, etc. So I don't believe we will have to live without him much longer.

The bad news is pretty much everything else. Poor game especially from Ky and Luka. Can't shoot 42% as a team and expect to win.

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