RS 24/25 - Mavs @ Grizzlies (Jan 6, 8PM EST)

[GermanFan120]

The only credit I would give Kidd was that at least all the players like him and there is no non-basketball related drama (often related to Kyrie) going on with the team.

Do not underestimate the presence of Morris. Don't know who exactly reported but it was said he was important for Kyrie to be there in the locker room. It's true Kyrie likes Kidd but at some point if this keeps going sideways and specially with everyone back, Nico will have to have a serious talk with Kidd.

My worry is that if Kidd is gone, who will replace him who is competent and whom Luka/Kyrie would listen to?

Michael Finley

[daoneandonly]

I love Dirk, we as fans owe him a lot. But he kind of screwed us twice; one with the push for the Rondo trade and two hiring Kidd instead of promoting Mosley. But he did give us a title, took countless discounts, always worked hard on his game (and body) and gave us an incredible stretch, so I guess we cant be too mad

[Mavrelous]

Mavs are winning in playoffs because half court offense Luka runs is the whole system and very efficient system. You don't need coach for that. 82 games RS is a different animal and Mavs are never especially good there, because their whole system is again Luka, but he can't run that half court offense for 82 games.

Really?
Luka half court offense gives a high floor to the offense, but what Kidd did was pulling the right levers and pressuring the right points to achieve good enough defense, the entire media was behind the Wolves, who were coming with huge momentum, and the team had the poise to absorb it and silence them real fast, hell, games 2 and 3 against the Celtics were within reach if it wasn't for disastrous shooting.
Kidd coached an absolute masterclass in the 24 playoffs.
Kidd is far from perfect, especially in RS, but take coaches who were very successfully RS coaches but fail miserably in the PO, Rivers, Bud, Monty Williams, I'd much rather have Kidd.

[Bob8]

This team is so frustrating. No Ja or Bane, even without Kyrie and Chunka, should be a win.

It's Šunka.

[Bob8]

Mavs are winning in playoffs because half court offense Luka runs is the whole system and very efficient system. You don't need coach for that. 82 games RS is a different animal and Mavs are never especially good there, because their whole system is again Luka, but he can't run that half court offense for 82 games.

Really?
Luka half court offense gives a high floor to the offense, but what Kidd did was pulling the right levers and pressuring the right points to achieve good enough defense, the entire media was behind the Wolves, who were coming with huge momentum, and the team had the poise to absorb it and silence them real fast, hell, games 2 and 3 against the Celtics were within reach if it wasn't for disastrous shooting.
Kidd coached an absolute masterclass in the 24 playoffs.
Kidd is far from perfect, especially in RS, but take coaches who were very successfully RS coaches but fail miserably in the PO, Rivers, Bud, Monty Williams, I'd much rather have Kidd.

Because he doesn't need to do anything in offensive side. Mavs would be in pretty good position in this year's RS too, if Luka didn't have an injury. Good coach with a solid team should have had at least some kind of plan how to play without the superstar. Mavs are playing exactly the same, which can't work.

[Mavrelous]

Because he doesn't need to do anything in offensive side. Mavs would be in pretty good position in this year's RS too, if Luka didn't have an injury. Good coach with a solid team should have had at least some kind of plan how to play without the superstar. Mavs are playing exactly the same, which can't work.

It's a roster problem not a coach problem, yes, he should have been prepared, but the preparation was seeing ahead he's going into a situation of all 3 PGs missing, and prepare a plan, which he didn't.
Mavs roster is perfect next to Luka and Kyrie, to achieve that, they had to be not great on their own.
Lively is a great defensive big, but he can't create offense, if he was, he wouldn't be availabe at 10th pick, and would all NBA level player and consensus top 3 pick.
PJ is a good rebounder, big wing defender, can shoot a bit, can post up, but can't really create offensively at high level or shoot at high level, if he could, he would be Tatum, MVP calibre player.
Klay is a pure shooter, if he could create, he wouldn't be available for free at 15/yr, he'd be 30-40/yr player.

3rd string PG got injured, at the start of the season, they risked waiting for him to get healthy and it's blowing up in their face.
With Exum you win 3-4 out of 10, w/o him, you lose to Grizzlies B team, and pray to win 1-2 out of 10.

[Archx]

The only credit I would give Kidd was that at least all the players like him and there is no non-basketball related drama (often related to Kyrie) going on with the team.

Do not underestimate the presence of Morris. Don't know who exactly reported but it was said he was important for Kyrie to be there in the locker room. It's true Kyrie likes Kidd but at some point if this keeps going sideways and specially with everyone back, Nico will have to have a serious talk with Kidd.

My worry is that if Kidd is gone, who will replace him who is competent and whom Luka/Kyrie would listen to?

Honestly no clue. Mavs already missed out on ton of great coaches who players respect. But luckily i'm not in the position to hire a new coach anyway

[Bob8]

Because he doesn't need to do anything in offensive side. Mavs would be in pretty good position in this year's RS too, if Luka didn't have an injury. Good coach with a solid team should have had at least some kind of plan how to play without the superstar. Mavs are playing exactly the same, which can't work.

It's a roster problem not a coach problem, yes, he should have been prepared, but the preparation was seeing ahead he's going into a situation of all 3 PGs missing, and prepare a plan, which he didn't.
Mavs roster is perfect next to Luka and Kyrie, to achieve that, they had to be not great on their own.
Lively is a great defensive big, but he can't create offense, if he was, he wouldn't be availabe at 10th pick, and would all NBA level player and consensus top 3 pick.
PJ is a good rebounder, big wing defender, can shoot a bit, can post up, but can't really create offensively at high level or shoot at high level, if he could, he would be Tatum, MVP calibre player.
Klay is a pure shooter, if he could create, he wouldn't be available for free at 15/yr, he'd be 30-40/yr player.

3rd string PG got injured, at the start of the season, they risked waiting for him to get healthy and it's blowing up in their face.
With Exum you win 3-4 out of 10, w/o him, you lose to Grizzlies B team, and pray to win 1-2 out of 10.

That's exactly what I'm saying, Mavs don't need a coach to be competitive with both Luka and Kyrie, but they need a coach if Luka is missing.

It's not only about Pg, yes they desperately need one, it's about plays that team are running. How many designed plays did you see for Klay even, when both Luka and Kyrie are playing? Near 0. It's all about Luka's pick&roll or Luka's and Kyrie's Iso. Mavs offense is Luka's and Kyrie's improvisation. The only designated action, that I'm aware of is PJ posting every first possession of the game, which is kinda weird, because he's not doing that much afterwards. Kidd looks totally lost to me, some weird substitutions and some weird lineups, difficult to find some plan behind it and we are desperate for some.

And if I somehow can understand that offensive rtg has plunged, what about D? Why they can't play solid D, if Luka and Kyrie are supposedly weak links in D.

[41Dirk41]

Mavs are winning in playoffs because half court offense Luka runs is the whole system and very efficient system. You don't need coach for that. 82 games RS is a different animal and Mavs are never especially good there, because their whole system is again Luka, but he can't run that half court offense for 82 games.

Really?
Luka half court offense gives a high floor to the offense, but what Kidd did was pulling the right levers and pressuring the right points to achieve good enough defense, the entire media was behind the Wolves, who were coming with huge momentum, and the team had the poise to absorb it and silence them real fast, hell, games 2 and 3 against the Celtics were within reach if it wasn't for disastrous shooting.
Kidd coached an absolute masterclass in the 24 playoffs.
Kidd is far from perfect, especially in RS, but take coaches who were very successfully RS coaches but fail miserably in the PO, Rivers, Bud, Monty Williams, I'd much rather have Kidd.

Yes but Bud won the ring with the sub 50% Kidd Bucks

Rivers is the most overrated coach on earth.
Monty is an average one.

[GermanFan120]

I love Dirk, we as fans owe him a lot. But he kind of screwed us twice; one with the push for the Rondo trade and two hiring Kidd instead of promoting Mosley. But he did give us a title, took countless discounts, always worked hard on his game (and body) and gave us an incredible stretch, so I guess we cant be too mad

Mavs fans shouldn't say anything bad about our god. Dirk can do no wrong.

[Mavrelous]

That's exactly what I'm saying, Mavs don't need a coach to be competitive with both Luka and Kyrie, but they need a coach if Luka is missing.

They also need a coach to play defense...
Kidd took a rotation of
Luka, Brunson, Dinwiddie -- guards
DFS, Bullock, Green -- wings
Powell Maxi -- bigs
to be top 6 defense in the league.

Very few coaches could do that, Mavs were top 5 defesne last year after ASB.

And if I somehow can understand that offensive rtg has plunged, what about D? Why they can't play solid D, if Luka and Kyrie are supposedly weak links in D.

Easy, when you turn it over, and miss badly, you're constantly cross matched on D and taken advantage of.
That's just an educated guess from previous games, I didn't bother watching this game, only condensed highlights.

[Mavrelous]

Yes but Bud won the ring with the sub 50% Kidd Bucks

Rivers is the most overrated coach on earth.
Monty is an average one.

It was the fakest ring in revcent years, Bucks were on their way to be swept when Giannis undercut Kyrie and he twisted his ankle, the rest is history...

[Bob8]

That's exactly what I'm saying, Mavs don't need a coach to be competitive with both Luka and Kyrie, but they need a coach if Luka is missing.

They also need a coach to play defense...
Kidd took a rotation of
Luka, Brunson, Dinwiddie -- guards
DFS, Bullock, Green -- wings
Powell Maxi -- bigs
to be top 6 defense in the league.

Very few coaches could do that, Mavs were top 5 defesne last year after ASB.

And if I somehow can understand that offensive rtg has plunged, what about D? Why they can't play solid D, if Luka and Kyrie are supposedly weak links in D.

Easy, when you turn it over, and miss badly, you're constantly cross matched on D and taken advantage of.
That's just an educated guess from previous games, I didn't bother watching this game, only condensed highlights.

If I understand you right not being able to run some kind of a system without Luka is a roster problem, on the other hand running good D is primarily because of good coaching job? Don't you think that that methodical, low TO, half court offense, helps in D too?

Kidd's success is more or less totally correlated with great guards he had, Luka/Brunson/Kyrie. I can give him credit for solid D, but those 3 guards brought him playoffs success, take 1 out and Mavs are out in round 1 or 2 every year no matter how good or bad D they would have played.

[Mavrelous]

If I understand you right not being able to run some kind of a system without Luka is a roster problem, on the other hand running good D is primarily because of good coaching job? Don't you think that that methodical, low TO, half court offense, helps in D too?

Kidd's success is more or less totally correlated with great guards he had, Luka/Brunson/Kyrie. I can give him credit for solid D, but those 3 guards brought him playoffs success, take 1 out and Mavs are out in round 1 or 2 every year no matter how good or bad D they would have played.

Mavs were repeatedly ranked around 20th in the league on defense under RC, and he had the main defensive players to play with, he even had KP who was a great rim protector.

[Bob8]

If I understand you right not being able to run some kind of a system without Luka is a roster problem, on the other hand running good D is primarily because of good coaching job? Don't you think that that methodical, low TO, half court offense, helps in D too?

Kidd's success is more or less totally correlated with great guards he had, Luka/Brunson/Kyrie. I can give him credit for solid D, but those 3 guards brought him playoffs success, take 1 out and Mavs are out in round 1 or 2 every year no matter how good or bad D they would have played.

Mavs were repeatedly ranked around 20th in the league on defense under RC, and he had the main defensive players to play with, he even had KP who was a great rim protector.

If you're right, Mavs should win some games with D in next few weeks. If they can't, then D is not important for Mavs success and Mavs should find a coach, who can coach both parts of the game.

[Mavrelous]

If I understand you right not being able to run some kind of a system without Luka is a roster problem, on the other hand running good D is primarily because of good coaching job? Don't you think that that methodical, low TO, half court offense, helps in D too?

Kidd's success is more or less totally correlated with great guards he had, Luka/Brunson/Kyrie. I can give him credit for solid D, but those 3 guards brought him playoffs success, take 1 out and Mavs are out in round 1 or 2 every year no matter how good or bad D they would have played.

Mavs were repeatedly ranked around 20th in the league on defense under RC, and he had the main defensive players to play with, he even had KP who was a great rim protector.

If you're right, Mavs should win some games with D in next few weeks. If they can't, then D is not important for Mavs success and Mavs should find a coach, who can coach both parts of the game.

Seriousely? We have a great sample size of Mavs w/o D, post deadline 2023 season.
To contend teams need to be elite (top 3) on one end, and good (top 10) on the other.

[Bob8]

Mavs were repeatedly ranked around 20th in the league on defense under RC, and he had the main defensive players to play with, he even had KP who was a great rim protector.

If you're right, Mavs should win some games with D in next few weeks. If they can't, then D is not important for Mavs success and Mavs should find a coach, who can coach both parts of the game.

Seriousely? We have a great sample size of Mavs w/o D, post deadline 2023 season.
To contend teams need to be elite (top 3) on one end, and good (top 10) on the other.

So tell me then, what will be the reasoning for Mavs not making playoffs, if that happens? Contenders with Luka and low lottery team without him?

Don't you think that good defensive team, should be, with Mavs roster, good enough in offensive side to survive being 1.5 months without Luka and not completely meltdown?

[Mavrelous]

If you're right, Mavs should win some games with D in next few weeks. If they can't, then D is not important for Mavs success and Mavs should find a coach, who can coach both parts of the game.

Seriousely? We have a great sample size of Mavs w/o D, post deadline 2023 season.
To contend teams need to be elite (top 3) on one end, and good (top 10) on the other.

So tell me then, what will be the reasoning for Mavs not making playoffs, if that happens? Contenders with Luka and low lottery team without him?

Don't you think that good defensive team, should be, with Mavs roster, good enough in offensive side to survive being 1.5 months without Luka and not completely meltdown?

Mavs would have been a wimning team witb Kyrie and Exum.
It's the fact that all 3 PGs are out that's causing the meltdown, not just Luka.

[BliscoSantos]

Seriousely? We have a great sample size o jif Mavs w/o D, post deadline 2023 season.
To contend teams need to be elite (top 3) on one end, and good (top 10) on the other.

So tell me then, what will be the reasoning for Mavs not making playoffs, if that happens? Contenders with Luka and low lottery team without him?

Don't you think that good defensive team, should be, with Mavs roster, good enough in offensive side to survive being 1.5 months without Luka and not completely meltdown?

Mavs would have been a wimning team witb Kyrie and Exum.
It's the fact that all 3 PGs are out that's causing the meltdown, not just Luka.

I'll give you Kyrie but Exum??...C'mon now,be serious...he was unplayable in the playoffs,like Maxi...besides,Exum is not a PG who runs a team...he's one that just brings the ball up and gives it away

[Bob8]

Seriousely? We have a great sample size of Mavs w/o D, post deadline 2023 season.
To contend teams need to be elite (top 3) on one end, and good (top 10) on the other.

So tell me then, what will be the reasoning for Mavs not making playoffs, if that happens? Contenders with Luka and low lottery team without him?

Don't you think that good defensive team, should be, with Mavs roster, good enough in offensive side to survive being 1.5 months without Luka and not completely meltdown?

Mavs would have been a wimning team witb Kyrie and Exum.
It's the fact that all 3 PGs are out that's causing the meltdown, not just Luka.

Then everything is ok, Kyrie should be back in one week and Mavs will return to winning streak. I sincerely hope that Mavs destiny is not in Exum's hands, because we're ****, if that's the case.