RS 24/25 - Mavs @ Hornets (Jan 20, 12PM EST)

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Looking at the box score, Klay = Josh Green + Seth

So pathetic.

When would the Klay experiment end?

0/6 from Dinwiddie and 1/5 from Naji... while one of the best shooters of all time and a 41% from 3 catch&shoot player gets ZERO plays run for him?

Klay was holding his opponent at 25% shooting last game in a direct matchup on 8 attempts. While Mavs player shot 54.5% vs Green on 11 attempts.

And your take is Green = Klay? Come on man...

[Bob8]

Looking at the box score, Klay = Josh Green + Seth

So pathetic.

When would the Klay experiment end?

0/6 from Dinwiddie and 1/5 from Naji... while one of the best shooters of all time and a 41% from 3 catch&shoot player gets ZERO plays run for him?

Klay was holding his opponent at 25% shooting last game in a direct matchup on 8 attempts. While Mavs player shot 54.5% vs Green on 11 attempts.

And your take is Green = Klay? Come on man...

The most guilty for Mavs losing streak are Luka, who isn't playing and Klay, who isn't shooting, because everyone is playing Iso.

[41Dirk41]

Looking at the box score, Klay = Josh Green + Seth

So pathetic.

When would the Klay experiment end?

0/6 from Dinwiddie and 1/5 from Naji... while one of the best shooters of all time and a 41% from 3 catch&shoot player gets ZERO plays run for him?

Klay was holding his opponent at 25% shooting last game in a direct matchup on 8 attempts. While Mavs player shot 54.5% vs Green on 11 attempts.

And your take is Green = Klay? Come on man...

The most guilty for Mavs losing streak are Luka, who isn't playing and Klay, who isn't shooting, because everyone is playing Iso.

It's all insane. But it's funny. Or maybe not so much.

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Mavs reddit getting upset how team is ignoring Klay and they made a video topic about it. Before anyone **** on Klay rather check this out.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Mavericks/comments/1i63q6x/klay_has_been_open_in_some_cases_wide_open_but/

And this picture sums it all up how Klay got ignored again.



In most cases in video and in this picture Klay gets ignored mostly by Dinwiddie. So before i hear this amazing argument again "I could beat you 1v1 so i know more about basketball than you", there is this thing called STATISTICS and VIDEO analysis that will show you how braindead this team can be without Luka running the show. Passing and tempo is sure fun until it's effectiveness is completely thrown out of the window.

[Realtalk420]

Mavs reddit getting upset how team is ignoring Klay and they made a video topic about it. Before anyone **** on Klay rather check this out.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Mavericks/comments/1i63q6x/klay_has_been_open_in_some_cases_wide_open_but/

And this picture sums it all up how Klay got ignored again.



In most cases in video and in this picture Klay gets ignored mostly by Dinwiddie. So before i hear this amazing argument again "I could beat you 1v1 so i know more about basketball than you", there is this thing called STATISTICS and VIDEO analysis that will show you how braindead this team can be without Luka running the show. Passing and tempo is sure fun until it's effectiveness is completely thrown out of the window.

This was the final straw for me (this picture)…makes you wonder if he intentionally didn’t see him because HOW DO YOU NOT SEE YOUR CLOSEST TEAMMATE WHO IS LITERALLY STANDING 5 FEET AWAY??? Like Klay did everything right that play, got himself wiideee open close to the inbounding player (I think Mavs had like only 2sec there) - perfect play except he never gets the ball.

[Realtalk420]

Mavs reddit…

Eh I don’t like it there right now, they still defend Kidd and make all kinds of excuses for him, he is not responsible for anything. Every comment critizing Kidd gets downvoted lol.
I think until a wider spectre of (casual) fans start realizing Kidd is bad and start asking for his head, Kidd will be in no danger of losing his job.

[41Dirk41]

Release Dinwiddie. now.

[GermanFan120]

Mavs reddit getting upset how team is ignoring Klay and they made a video topic about it. Before anyone **** on Klay rather check this out.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Mavericks/comments/1i63q6x/klay_has_been_open_in_some_cases_wide_open_but/

And this picture sums it all up how Klay got ignored again.



In most cases in video and in this picture Klay gets ignored mostly by Dinwiddie. So before i hear this amazing argument again "I could beat you 1v1 so i know more about basketball than you", there is this thing called STATISTICS and VIDEO analysis that will show you how braindead this team can be without Luka running the show. Passing and tempo is sure fun until it's effectiveness is completely thrown out of the window.

This was the final straw for me (this picture)…makes you wonder if he intentionally didn’t see him because HOW DO YOU NOT SEE YOUR CLOSEST TEAMMATE WHO IS LITERALLY STANDING 5 FEET AWAY??? Like Klay did everything right that play, got himself wiideee open close to the inbounding player (I think Mavs had like only 2sec there) - perfect play except he never gets the ball.

Klay should not have been ignored in that situation indeed.

But there might be reasons behind that we as fans are not aware:
1) Teammates don't trust Klay anymore in terms of making shots, hence no pass to him
2) Chemistry issue that some intentionally choose to ignore Klay

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Mavs reddit getting upset how team is ignoring Klay and they made a video topic about it. Before anyone **** on Klay rather check this out.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Mavericks/comments/1i63q6x/klay_has_been_open_in_some_cases_wide_open_but/

And this picture sums it all up how Klay got ignored again.



In most cases in video and in this picture Klay gets ignored mostly by Dinwiddie. So before i hear this amazing argument again "I could beat you 1v1 so i know more about basketball than you", there is this thing called STATISTICS and VIDEO analysis that will show you how braindead this team can be without Luka running the show. Passing and tempo is sure fun until it's effectiveness is completely thrown out of the window.

This was the final straw for me (this picture)…makes you wonder if he intentionally didn’t see him because HOW DO YOU NOT SEE YOUR CLOSEST TEAMMATE WHO IS LITERALLY STANDING 5 FEET AWAY??? Like Klay did everything right that play, got himself wiideee open close to the inbounding player (I think Mavs had like only 2sec there) - perfect play except he never gets the ball.

Klay should not have been ignored in that situation indeed.

But there might be reasons behind that we as fans are not aware:
1) Teammates don't trust Klay anymore in terms of making shots, hence no pass to him
2) Chemistry issue that some intentionally choose to ignore Klay

Then explain why Klay receives most passes from Luka and is shooting 42% from 3 in this case? Where is the logic other than what has been repeated over and over again.

Kidd has no real schemes, they are ran by Luka and to some extend Kyrie. Luka will make any coach look competent by default.

[BliscoSantos]

MEM is a prime example how to stay relevant despite the injuries...they are in a strong position despite playing a rookie that was drafted 39th ...you think Wells would Play under Kidd...or PHO with Dunn ,Ighodaro...yes they were forced to Play them because of the injuries but they didn't bench them as soon as they made mistakes....Kidd doesn't trust players that haven't proven themselves...he plays veterans despite the fact they're playing terrible and making dumb decisions...also the style of play of DAL isn't good for Young Players,developing talent....ISO after ISO while others wait in the corner ... despite Luka injury Mavs played teams they should have beaten and somehow they still managed to lose those games....giving up to much freedom to Players can backfire and that is certainly the case with DAL...the coach needs to start taking some blame and stop with the excuses...looks like Luka,Kai,PJ, Lively,Gafford saved his ass last year...the wins didn't happen cause he's a great coach,they happened cause the team was playing different in PO...with more passion,fire, agression....and now in the regular season they think they can Just show up for some games and it's a win....we thought this team is contender and right now it looks like they are a bottom feeder....what a rude awakening

[Bob8]

Mavs reddit getting upset how team is ignoring Klay and they made a video topic about it. Before anyone **** on Klay rather check this out.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Mavericks/comments/1i63q6x/klay_has_been_open_in_some_cases_wide_open_but/

And this picture sums it all up how Klay got ignored again.



In most cases in video and in this picture Klay gets ignored mostly by Dinwiddie. So before i hear this amazing argument again "I could beat you 1v1 so i know more about basketball than you", there is this thing called STATISTICS and VIDEO analysis that will show you how braindead this team can be without Luka running the show. Passing and tempo is sure fun until it's effectiveness is completely thrown out of the window.

This was the final straw for me (this picture)…makes you wonder if he intentionally didn’t see him because HOW DO YOU NOT SEE YOUR CLOSEST TEAMMATE WHO IS LITERALLY STANDING 5 FEET AWAY??? Like Klay did everything right that play, got himself wiideee open close to the inbounding player (I think Mavs had like only 2sec there) - perfect play except he never gets the ball.

Klay should not have been ignored in that situation indeed.

But there might be reasons behind that we as fans are not aware:
1) Teammates don't trust Klay anymore in terms of making shots, hence no pass to him
2) Chemistry issue that some intentionally choose to ignore Klay

And they trust others in terms of making shots?

Opponents are more than happy to let Dinwiddie and co. shoot as much shots as possible, so they focus only on Kyrie and Klay. And Kidd is just watching that **** show. Just imagine how ecstatic opponents must be watching Dinwiddie ball handling for 20 seconds and finishing Iso in last second?

Person, who don't know anything about Mavs, would assume that Dinwiddie is Mavs best player, watching the role he's playing.

[Bob8]

This was the final straw for me (this picture)…makes you wonder if he intentionally didn’t see him because HOW DO YOU NOT SEE YOUR CLOSEST TEAMMATE WHO IS LITERALLY STANDING 5 FEET AWAY??? Like Klay did everything right that play, got himself wiideee open close to the inbounding player (I think Mavs had like only 2sec there) - perfect play except he never gets the ball.

Klay should not have been ignored in that situation indeed.

But there might be reasons behind that we as fans are not aware:
1) Teammates don't trust Klay anymore in terms of making shots, hence no pass to him
2) Chemistry issue that some intentionally choose to ignore Klay

Then explain why Klay receives most passes from Luka and is shooting 42% from 3 in this case? Where is the logic other than what has been repeated over and over again.

Kidd has no real schemes, they are ran by Luka and to some extend Kyrie. Luka will make any coach look competent by default.

Kyrie is not running anything, he's the one, who could involve Klay more, but he rather plays Iso no matter what. His ast% is the lowest of his career, in a season where Luka is long term injured.

In last 15 games, Kyrie didn't assisted a single Klay's FGM. He missed 7 games, but that's still 8 games without a single assist for Klay. I don't know what's going on, but things are weird.

[Maverick41]

MEM is a prime example how to stay relevant despite the injuries...they are in a strong position despite playing a rookie that was drafted 39th ...you think Wells would Play under Kidd...or PHO with Dunn ,Ighodaro...yes they were forced to Play them because of the injuries but they didn't bench them as soon as they made mistakes....Kidd doesn't trust players that haven't proven themselves...he plays veterans despite the fact they're playing terrible and making dumb decisions...also the style of play of DAL isn't good for Young Players,developing talent....ISO after ISO while others wait in the corner ... despite Luka injury Mavs played teams they should have beaten and somehow they still managed to lose those games....giving up to much freedom to Players can backfire and that is certainly the case with DAL...the coach needs to start taking some blame and stop with the excuses...looks like Luka,Kai,PJ, Lively,Gafford saved his ass last year...the wins didn't happen cause he's a great coach,they happened cause the team was playing different in PO...with more passion,fire, agression....and now in the regular season they think they can Just show up for some games and it's a win....we thought this team is contender and right now it looks like they are a bottom feeder....what a rude awakening

Yup they're a team I think about when I think of a team that has had the injury bug also and yet the coach has figured out how to make it work. ORL is another one. Both teams that develop their young players and create new gameplans to fit the personnel on the court rather then forcing the same exact gameplan. It's insane that this team tries to play Dinwiddie like he's Luka.

I'm still perplexed by Kidd. He was such a brilliant mind as a player. One of the most creative players ever. But as a coach, he's just so basic. I know that it works when the stars are both playing but when they're not, it's so glaring.

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Month of January 3pt shooting.

Hardy 50% on 4.4 FGA

Klay 38% on 7.1 FGA

Grimes 33% on 5.7 FGA

Naji 30% on 4.1 FGA

Dinwiddie 29.8% on 4.7 FGA

...everyone else also below 30%.

Kyrie 28.6% on 5.3 FGA

For a team that heavily relies on 3pt shooting offensive schemes, this sure as hell doesn't look promising. At least we can be "happy" role players' ball movement is exceptional, or whatever...

But hey, like a very brilliant coach once said "at least no one is dying".

[HMFFL]

4-10 in last 14 games after Luka injury.

If this Luka less roster worths that record i'm ok, Kidd is not a problem.
But then trade half of the roster at the TDL because they are trash.

I agree with you!!


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[41Dirk41]

Month of January 3pt shooting.

Hardy 50% on 4.4 FGA

Klay 38% on 7.1 FGA

Grimes 33% on 5.7 FGA

Naji 30% on 4.1 FGA

Dinwiddie 29.8% on 4.7 FGA

...everyone else also below 30%.

Kyrie 28.6% on 5.3 FGA

For a team that heavily relies on 3pt shooting offensive schemes, this sure as hell doesn't look promising. At least we can be "happy" role players' ball movement is exceptional, or whatever...

But hey, like a very brilliant coach once said "at least no one is dying".

70% of our 3s are heavy contested... Maybe our (supposed to be) coach is not so brillant.

[joesha1698]

Mavs reddit getting upset how team is ignoring Klay and they made a video topic about it. Before anyone **** on Klay rather check this out.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Mavericks/comments/1i63q6x/klay_has_been_open_in_some_cases_wide_open_but/

And this picture sums it all up how Klay got ignored again.



In most cases in video and in this picture Klay gets ignored mostly by Dinwiddie. So before i hear this amazing argument again "I could beat you 1v1 so i know more about basketball than you", there is this thing called STATISTICS and VIDEO analysis that will show you how braindead this team can be without Luka running the show. Passing and tempo is sure fun until it's effectiveness is completely thrown out of the window.

This was the final straw for me (this picture)…makes you wonder if he intentionally didn’t see him because HOW DO YOU NOT SEE YOUR CLOSEST TEAMMATE WHO IS LITERALLY STANDING 5 FEET AWAY??? Like Klay did everything right that play, got himself wiideee open close to the inbounding player (I think Mavs had like only 2sec there) - perfect play except he never gets the ball.

I immediately noticed that when I was watching the game. I also noticed he had like 4 shots up to that point. I immediately posted that maybe some guys don't like Klay on this team? (I decided to delete the post because I didn't wanna post gossip) Klay has noticeably pouted on the court (mostly directed at Hardy) so maybe there is some in house fighting going on? I donno. But I did see that play and it made no sense to pass Klay up for PJ.

This is totally a hunch but I think some of his teammates may not like him. He gets 4 shots and he's wide open on a screen and he doesn't get the ball. It looks bad but its totally speculation on my part.

[joesha1698]

Klay should not have been ignored in that situation indeed.

But there might be reasons behind that we as fans are not aware:
1) Teammates don't trust Klay anymore in terms of making shots, hence no pass to him
2) Chemistry issue that some intentionally choose to ignore Klay

Then explain why Klay receives most passes from Luka and is shooting 42% from 3 in this case? Where is the logic other than what has been repeated over and over again.

Kidd has no real schemes, they are ran by Luka and to some extend Kyrie. Luka will make any coach look competent by default.

Kyrie is not running anything, he's the one, who could involve Klay more, but he rather plays Iso no matter what. His ast% is the lowest of his career, in a season where Luka is long term injured.

In last 15 games, Kyrie didn't assisted a single Klay's FGM. He missed 7 games, but that's still 8 games without a single assist for Klay. I don't know what's going on, but things are weird.

I blame coaching. It goes back to KIdd (who was brought in) to appease Luka's iso style of play. Kyrie's not a point first guy. Like Kobe, he has the skills to change his game when needed but he's not perfect...the coach needs to go to him and say I need this from you.

[joesha1698]

MEM is a prime example how to stay relevant despite the injuries...they are in a strong position despite playing a rookie that was drafted 39th ...you think Wells would Play under Kidd...or PHO with Dunn ,Ighodaro...yes they were forced to Play them because of the injuries but they didn't bench them as soon as they made mistakes....Kidd doesn't trust players that haven't proven themselves...he plays veterans despite the fact they're playing terrible and making dumb decisions...also the style of play of DAL isn't good for Young Players,developing talent....ISO after ISO while others wait in the corner ... despite Luka injury Mavs played teams they should have beaten and somehow they still managed to lose those games....giving up to much freedom to Players can backfire and that is certainly the case with DAL...the coach needs to start taking some blame and stop with the excuses...looks like Luka,Kai,PJ, Lively,Gafford saved his ass last year...the wins didn't happen cause he's a great coach,they happened cause the team was playing different in PO...with more passion,fire, agression....and now in the regular season they think they can Just show up for some games and it's a win....we thought this team is contender and right now it looks like they are a bottom feeder....what a rude awakening

Yup they're a team I think about when I think of a team that has had the injury bug also and yet the coach has figured out how to make it work. ORL is another one. Both teams that develop their young players and create new gameplans to fit the personnel on the court rather then forcing the same exact gameplan. It's insane that this team tries to play Dinwiddie like he's Luka.

I'm still perplexed by Kidd. He was such a brilliant mind as a player. One of the most creative players ever. But as a coach, he's just so basic. I know that it works when the stars are both playing but when they're not, it's so glaring.

I think Kidd is a brilliant mind. I think he was fired in MIL for coaching too hard and changed his style up to player friendly. I also think he was brought in to play a style that appeases Luka's game, which is iso and pick and roll. A lot of people are blaming Kidd but they won't admit that this heavy iso style of play is for Luka. I do think Kidd deserves some blame for not being flexible.

[joesha1698]

MEM is a prime example how to stay relevant despite the injuries...they are in a strong position despite playing a rookie that was drafted 39th ...you think Wells would Play under Kidd...or PHO with Dunn ,Ighodaro...yes they were forced to Play them because of the injuries but they didn't bench them as soon as they made mistakes....Kidd doesn't trust players that haven't proven themselves...he plays veterans despite the fact they're playing terrible and making dumb decisions...also the style of play of DAL isn't good for Young Players,developing talent....ISO after ISO while others wait in the corner ... despite Luka injury Mavs played teams they should have beaten and somehow they still managed to lose those games....giving up to much freedom to Players can backfire and that is certainly the case with DAL...the coach needs to start taking some blame and stop with the excuses...looks like Luka,Kai,PJ, Lively,Gafford saved his ass last year...the wins didn't happen cause he's a great coach,they happened cause the team was playing different in PO...with more passion,fire, agression....and now in the regular season they think they can Just show up for some games and it's a win....we thought this team is contender and right now it looks like they are a bottom feeder....what a rude awakening

I see it both ways. The FO hasn't put Kidd in the best position either. A lot of these guys are shooters or finishers and they aren't the initiator in an offense that was designed for iso and pick and roll. Luka and Kyrie have been hurt and we have lost games. That's to be expected with a roster like this. We have also had other injuries aside from Luka and Kyrie...like Lively and guys out with suspensions doing this time. I think we need a pure pg backing up Luka because he's injured every year.