Dallas Mavericks 2025 Trade thread -- Roster and Cap and the 1st page

[Darren]

I'm not so high on Gaff...

How would you rank 1-17?

1) Coop
2) Max-Lively
3)PJ

4) others.

1) untouchable.
2) only a no brainer trade
3) i don't know. Probably sell him high.

4) trade them for Kids and picks.

6 fouls in 12 minutes with 2 points is hard to be justified. What happens to DLive this season?

[Archx]

Didn't even know about this. How horrible actually was Nico

Read on Twitter

Also, Stein reporting that Lindsey is interested in Mavs GM job. At least that's good news.

[MassimoPayne]

How would you rank 1-17?

1) Coop
2) Max-Lively
3)PJ

4) others.

1) untouchable.
2) only a no brainer trade
3) i don't know. Probably sell him high.

4) trade them for Kids and picks.

6 fouls in 12 minutes with 2 points is hard to be justified. What happens to DLive this season?

Because he barely plays.

I am more concerned if he can stay on the court healthwise and not because foul trouble.

[Super Cooper]

For this franchise, I don't see how DLive could be ranked above Gaff on the list of "keepers". Dude has proven to be Street Clothes 2.0. It'd be interesting to compare his availability to AD's at this point in his career. Again, I don't understand the lack of Gaff love on this board.

That said, I think there would be much interest from other franchises.

[Bob8]

For this franchise, I don't see how DLive could be ranked above Gaff on the list of "keepers". Dude has proven to be Street Clothes 2.0. It'd be interesting to compare his availability to AD's at this point in his career. Again, I don't understand the lack of Gaff love on this board.

That said, I think there would be much interest from other franchises.

Lively plays less than old AD, young AD was playing 60+ games constantly, he has even 3 seasons over 75 games. Lively on the other hand...

[Super Cooper]

For this franchise, I don't see how DLive could be ranked above Gaff on the list of "keepers". Dude has proven to be Street Clothes 2.0. It'd be interesting to compare his availability to AD's at this point in his career. Again, I don't understand the lack of Gaff love on this board.

That said, I think there would be much interest from other franchises.

Lively plays less than old AD, young AD was playing 60+ games constantly, he has even 3 seasons over 75 games. Lively on the other hand...

Thanks for the info!

Why do you think people on this board aren't high on Gaff and Naji? Both have that intestinal fortitude that you mentioned about PJ. Gaff is 26, Naji 27. They're in their prime.

[Super Cooper]

On another note... Klay is starting to play to a level that will make him desired by other franchises. It's also a key asset that he's coming off the bench and not demanding starting.

[Super Cooper]

After reflection, I totally stand by this list...

My ranking of Mavs you keep. This takes into account age, position, production, and health.
1. Cooper
2. PJ
3. Naji
4. Gaff
5. Max
6. Cisse
7. DLive
8. Kyrie
9. Nembhard
10. BWill
11. Hardy
12. DP
13. DLo
14. AD
15. Klay
16. Exum
17. Martin

[Bob8]

For this franchise, I don't see how DLive could be ranked above Gaff on the list of "keepers". Dude has proven to be Street Clothes 2.0. It'd be interesting to compare his availability to AD's at this point in his career. Again, I don't understand the lack of Gaff love on this board.

That said, I think there would be much interest from other franchises.

Lively plays less than old AD, young AD was playing 60+ games constantly, he has even 3 seasons over 75 games. Lively on the other hand...

Thanks for the info!

Why do you think people on this board aren't high on Gaff and Naji? Both have that intestinal fortitude that you mentioned about PJ. Gaff is 26, Naji 27. They're in their prime.

Because Lively theoretically can do things Gafford can't. He's prototype of modern defensive C - shooting. Unfortunately he lost Luka and didn't develop anything since his rookie year. I wouldn't trade him, because he really won't bring much and his contract is small. But I'm very sceptical about his further development.

[Super Cooper]

Lively plays less than old AD, young AD was playing 60+ games constantly, he has even 3 seasons over 75 games. Lively on the other hand...

Thanks for the info!

Why do you think people on this board aren't high on Gaff and Naji? Both have that intestinal fortitude that you mentioned about PJ. Gaff is 26, Naji 27. They're in their prime.

Because Lively theoretically can do things Gafford can't. He's prototype of modern defensive C - shooting. Unfortunately he lost Luka and didn't develop anything since his rookie year. I wouldn't trade him, because he really won't bring much and has small a contract.

You and I have had this debate, so I won't rehash combining him with other expensive contracts (DLive + Klay = ~$20m).

I can't think of a big who had this many injuries early in his career who became a star later. If he's Street Clothes now, it's only gets worse. I raised this warning when we drafted him... played way too few minutes at Duke to project NBA durability.

IMO, the reason that people use to keep him, I use to show his value to flip for a more fitting piece. I'm sure many teams would take the risk that IMO we can't afford.

[Mavrelous]

Gafford is a luxury backup C, you keep him ig you're a contender, no reason to keep him otherwise, he's a bad defensive rebounder and bad defensive center despite his high flying blocks.
Lively is a high IQ defensive center with great passing ability, and a good touch, Lively's only problem is health, but it looks like a serous problem and no longer few injuries here and there.

[Super Cooper]

Gafford is a luxury backup C, you keep him ig you're a contender, no reason to keep him otherwise, he's a bad defensive rebounder and bad defensive center despite his high flying blocks.
Lively is a high IQ defensive center with great passing ability, and a good touch, Lively's only problem is health, but it looks like a serous problem and no longer few injuries here and there.

All good analysis. The one area I’d disagree on is that Gaff is a luxury and not a vital piece. He’s coveted around the league for a reason. Depending on if the opposing team has a Wemby/Chet like primary big, he can start against many teams. The only way I’d trade him is for a no-brainer.

What about Naji? Why does he not get love on this board?

[Mavrelous]

Gafford is a luxury backup C, you keep him ig you're a contender, no reason to keep him otherwise, he's a bad defensive rebounder and bad defensive center despite his high flying blocks.
Lively is a high IQ defensive center with great passing ability, and a good touch, Lively's only problem is health, but it looks like a serous problem and no longer few injuries here and there.

All good analysis. The one area I’d disagree on is that Gaff is a luxury and not a vital piece. He’s coveted around the league for a reason. Depending on if the opposing team has a Wemby/Chet like primary big, he can start against many teams. The only way I’d trade him is for a no-brainer.

What about Naji? Why does he not get love on this board?

Both Gafford and Naji aren't starter material player.
I was all for targrting Naji before he was signed, but watching him for a full year, he's not a good shooter, and he's not a good POA defender, he's much more equipped for a bench role.
He's a good player, he just doesn't carry much excess value.
I'd be happy to be proven wrong, but neither Gafford nor Naji return a 1st in a trade.

[Mr B]

Didn't even know about this. How horrible actually was Nico

Read on Twitter

Also, Stein reporting that Lindsey is interested in Mavs GM job. At least that's good news.

That sucks about BWill. If BWill is not on the team next season I would expect Nembhard to get those minutes.

[Super Cooper]

Gafford is a luxury backup C, you keep him ig you're a contender, no reason to keep him otherwise, he's a bad defensive rebounder and bad defensive center despite his high flying blocks.
Lively is a high IQ defensive center with great passing ability, and a good touch, Lively's only problem is health, but it looks like a serous problem and no longer few injuries here and there.

All good analysis. The one area I’d disagree on is that Gaff is a luxury and not a vital piece. He’s coveted around the league for a reason. Depending on if the opposing team has a Wemby/Chet like primary big, he can start against many teams. The only way I’d trade him is for a no-brainer.

What about Naji? Why does he not get love on this board?

Both Gafford and Naji aren't starter material player.
I was all for targrting Naji before he was signed, but watching him for a full year, he's not a good shooter, and he's not a good POA defender, he's much more equipped for a bench role.
He's a good player, he just doesn't carry much excess value.
I'd be happy to be proven wrong, but neither Gafford nor Naji return a 1st in a trade.

IMO you bare bones focus on a 10-man rotation in the reg season and 8-man in the playoffs. Naji fits both on a championship roster. Gaff fits a reg season rotation and a playoff rotation depending on matchups.

IMO to only focus on starters isn’t how you build out a championship roster.

[Mavrelous]

All good analysis. The one area I’d disagree on is that Gaff is a luxury and not a vital piece. He’s coveted around the league for a reason. Depending on if the opposing team has a Wemby/Chet like primary big, he can start against many teams. The only way I’d trade him is for a no-brainer.

What about Naji? Why does he not get love on this board?

Both Gafford and Naji aren't starter material player.
I was all for targrting Naji before he was signed, but watching him for a full year, he's not a good shooter, and he's not a good POA defender, he's much more equipped for a bench role.
He's a good player, he just doesn't carry much excess value.
I'd be happy to be proven wrong, but neither Gafford nor Naji return a 1st in a trade.

IMO you bare bones focus on a 10-man rotation in the reg season and 8-man in the playoffs. Naji fits both on a championship roster. Gaff fits a reg season rotation and a playoff rotation depending on matchups.

IMO to only focus on starters isn’t how you build out a championship roster.

Yeah, I'm happy with them staying, I just think they expendable during a rebuild.

[joesha1698]

Gafford is a luxury backup C, you keep him ig you're a contender, no reason to keep him otherwise, he's a bad defensive rebounder and bad defensive center despite his high flying blocks.
Lively is a high IQ defensive center with great passing ability, and a good touch, Lively's only problem is health, but it looks like a serous problem and no longer few injuries here and there.

All good analysis. The one area I’d disagree on is that Gaff is a luxury and not a vital piece. He’s coveted around the league for a reason. Depending on if the opposing team has a Wemby/Chet like primary big, he can start against many teams. The only way I’d trade him is for a no-brainer.

What about Naji? Why does he not get love on this board?

Both Gafford and Naji aren't starter material player.
I was all for targrting Naji before he was signed, but watching him for a full year, he's not a good shooter, and he's not a good POA defender, he's much more equipped for a bench role.
He's a good player, he just doesn't carry much excess value.
I'd be happy to be proven wrong, but neither Gafford nor Naji return a 1st in a trade.

I agree with you about Naji but not Gafford. Gafford is a quality starting center in this league. He just needs a coach/leader on the floor that holds him accountable.

[Super Cooper]

Both Gafford and Naji aren't starter material player.
I was all for targrting Naji before he was signed, but watching him for a full year, he's not a good shooter, and he's not a good POA defender, he's much more equipped for a bench role.
He's a good player, he just doesn't carry much excess value.
I'd be happy to be proven wrong, but neither Gafford nor Naji return a 1st in a trade.

IMO you bare bones focus on a 10-man rotation in the reg season and 8-man in the playoffs. Naji fits both on a championship roster. Gaff fits a reg season rotation and a playoff rotation depending on matchups.

IMO to only focus on starters isn’t how you build out a championship roster.

Yeah, I'm happy with them staying, I just think they expendable during a rebuild.

At their price and production, value to a championship level roster, I think you keep them unless it's a no-brainer. We may be nuancing each other here.

How would you rate the roster in the way of "keeping" 1-17? Do you put DLive above Gaff?

[Super Cooper]

Grimes... not saying he is attainable or that the Mavs would go after him, but where does everyone rate Grimes v. Max?

[Mavrelous]

IMO you bare bones focus on a 10-man rotation in the reg season and 8-man in the playoffs. Naji fits both on a championship roster. Gaff fits a reg season rotation and a playoff rotation depending on matchups.

IMO to only focus on starters isn’t how you build out a championship roster.

Yeah, I'm happy with them staying, I just think they expendable during a rebuild.

At their price and production, value to a championship level roster, I think you keep them unless it's a no-brainer. We may be nuancing each other here.

How would you rate the roster in the way of "keeping" 1-17? Do you put DLive above Gaff?

Yes, I just don't think anyone is giving anything worth it for DLive, he's also a better player, I keep him and hope for the best.
I posted my ranking, to me Martin, Hardy and Klay need to go, and they are negative value, Flagg, PJ and Max Christie are keepers, I would keep AD over trading him for crap, rest of the roster depends on what is offered.