Dallas Mavericks 2023/24 Trade thread

[tleikheen]

Mavs wish list are a PF ....6'8" or bigger who can create his own shot which is limited on the trade market........players who are'nt 6'8" or bigger shouldnt be considered. Dorian Finney Smith 6'7"/220# ,Jerami Grant 6'7/210#,Patrick Williams 6'7"/215# ,Alex Caruso 6'5"/195# , Royce O'Neill 6'6"/226#. They are not looking for Derrick Jones Jr or Dante Exum replacements .They are looking for 6'8" or bigger replacement for 6'6"/250# Grant Williams BECAUSE they want to WIN this year.

[BeiBeau]

Do you understand that you're talking only about how I don't know anything and not about why you believe Siakam is very good defender? I'm almost certain that this forum should be to talk about basketball and not about other users. I still waiting for your first argument why Siakam is very good defender.

Nice that you brought up OG.

https://www.nba.com/stats/players/defense

Btw. OG is 31st and Siakam 218th in defensive raptor.

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/nba-player-ratings/

Per your NBA.com link, D’Angelo Russell is better than Herb Jones and Keegan Murray. Lmao, this is what you base your opinions on? That explains everything.

If this forum is all about talking about basketball then it would be nice to have users who actually watch the games and don’t just look up numbers on the internet. It’s not my job to educate you, if you want to find out why Siakam is a good defender then turn on a raptors game, he switches well, stays in front of his man well, and has long arms to contest shots.

You keep wanting this to be some long drawn out arguments where we go round and round on various points and each of us concede on somethings. But it’s never gonna be that because looking up numbers on the internet is not the same thing as watching and learning. We’ve done that before, you’re the one who said Lively sucked because he put up 5/5 in college. And said that he had 0 skills, couldn’t set a screen, and was a terrible rebounder. And here we are 6 months later and lively has pretty good offensive skill for 19 y/o 7 footer, he sets very good screens, and the Dallas mavericks win the rebounding battle when lively is on the floor. Your looking up numbers has always been wrong and continues to be wrong.

Again it’s not my job to educate you. I’ll tell you when you’re dead wrong but I should not have to explain to you that injuries exist. And I’m not your little league coach explaining to you what a pick and roll is. Watch the games, be careful about the media you consume and you’ll figure it out eventually.

I didn't know that we're talking about Lively?

So 0 arguments about Siakam again.

Yes, we're not here to educate anyone, we're here to discuss the basketball, but for that you need arguments, you produced 0 arguments about Siakam. On the other hand you're very keen to talk about my nonexistent basketball knowledge.

On Nba.com you have multiple advanced defensive stats, which all say the same about Siakam.

If you don't have anything to say about Siakam, you don't need to reply.

Btw. I'm 99.9% sure that I have played a lot more basketball than you.

I said my piece about Siakam and gave 3 things that he does well. For someone who loves numbers on the internet as much as you clearly do I would expect you to be better at counting.

And yeah I’m going to bring up Lively for 2 reasons. 1. You were comically wrong, like literally, go line by line about everything you said about him all summer and you were dead wrong point for point. I told you how wrong you were at the time and I haven’t seen you eat crow yet, plus I love to gloat.

2. The same reason you were wrong about lively is why you’re wrong about Siakam now. You look up a number on the internet and decide it’s not good enough therefore that player is bad. That is incorrect, you saw 5 points 5 rebounds for lively in college over the summer and decided he sucks. So then that expanded into you arguing that Lively won’t be able to play for years , that lively can’t set screens because American basketball is bad/unskilled, and that Lively has 0 offensive NBA skills. That is just not how it works Siakam isn’t lockdown but he stays in front of his man, switches 2-4, sometimes 1-5, and contests shots well. But despite what he actually does on the court, we should all think Siakam sucks because you don’t like a number. Never mind the fact that you have already admitted you don’t watch him. Never mind that the online stats have made you look foolish in the past. The problem for you is that you are just watching box scores, and you should actually watch the games.

And you know nothing about me, but with your love of analytics and box score watching I doubt you’ve played more that me. Never know though, in the immortal words of KG, anything is possible.

[41Dirk41]

[quote="Mavrelous"][quote="41Dirk41"]
His defense has never been on discussion (even i think he is not a lockdown defender),but if he can't score 3s his trade value will decrease very soon... Thybulle is not even tradable right now for example.

Nobody will trade 2 FRPs for him, probably neither a 1 lottery pick.
Let Nets failure again

However if Royce O'Neale is cheap i I'm ok with him.[/quote]
Posturing by the FO, Mavs tried to trade him for a single 1st and couldn't, the market is better now, but he's either getting 2 really bad 1sts or just one meddling 1st.[/quote]

Probably they offered a pick swap, i don't think Nets will take more than a FRP for DFS... If this is their position then DFS will play there for all years of his contract

[tleikheen]

However if Royce O'Neale is cheap i I'm ok with him.

Posturing by the FO, Mavs tried to trade him for a single 1st and couldn't, the market is better now, but he's either getting 2 really bad 1sts or just one meddling 1st.[/quote][/quote]

You dont get it ,THEY ARE NOT LOOKING FOR 6'6" guys ....... cheap or otherwise

[Mr B]

So I have a question. I notice most posters here are not in favor of a trade for Kuzma. What exactly about Kuzma is the problem. I legit don’t know because I don’t watch him often. I do see that he plays a position of need and is averaging 22/6/4. What about him makes him a bad fit?

[Mr B]

Any interest in Saddiq Bey?

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[BeiBeau]

Any interest in Saddiq Bey?

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Not really, what is he gonna give us when we don’t already get from THJ, Exum, DJJ, Green, and Grant.

I feel like he is a pretty comfortable 6th in a rotation of those 6 guys.

[leolozon]

So I have a question. I notice most posters here are not in favor of a trade for Kuzma. What exactly about Kuzma is the problem. I legit don’t know because I don’t watch him often. I do see that he plays a position of need and is averaging 22/6/4. What about him makes him a bad fit?

Not good at defense, not really efficient, not a great 3p shooter… why would the team want him to take shots?

[daoneandonly]

So I have a question. I notice most posters here are not in favor of a trade for Kuzma. What exactly about Kuzma is the problem. I legit don’t know because I don’t watch him often. I do see that he plays a position of need and is averaging 22/6/4. What about him makes him a bad fit?

That's just it, he's just a boxscore empty stats guy. He's inefficient, a chucker, can't defend, a blackhole, cares more about his numbers than wins

[41Dirk41]

PJ is our guy, not a shining trade but good and cheap decision... Unless some real bargain will come...

[BeiBeau]

So I have a question. I notice most posters here are not in favor of a trade for Kuzma. What exactly about Kuzma is the problem. I legit don’t know because I don’t watch him often. I do see that he plays a position of need and is averaging 22/6/4. What about him makes him a bad fit?

I actually quite like Kuzma to the Mavs. But 3 things, 1. Not at the absolutely out of pocket prices that tleikeen always is suggesting. Kuzma is not an all in piece, he’s no where close to Pascal, OG, or Lauri. 2. I don’t know what Kuzma we’re gonna get, if it’s Lakers title run Kuzma go for it, if it’s Wizards doesn’t give a **** Kuzma then never. 3. Tleikeen has been jerking Kuzma off on the board every post for months, so none of us really need to bring him into the conversation cause he’s just spam posting about it always.

[Mr B]

It seems this team is still really looking for their “Shawn Marion, Deshawn Stevenson, and Brendon Haywood”.

Who could they realistically can they get to fill those needs? I read they’re interested in Daniel Gafford who I like as a backup to Lively. Could Isaiah Stewart fill one of those needs too or is he redundant if they acquire Gafford?

[Archx]

Any interest in Saddiq Bey?

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Yeah, he's daoneandonly's wet dream He always wanted him instead of Green. So there you go!

[daoneandonly]

Any interest in Saddiq Bey?

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Yeah, he's daoneandonly's wet dream He always wanted him instead of Green. So there you go!

How old are you now, wet dream? Come on, I don't disrespect you so have some decency.

But Bey is better than Green now, and no matter what contract he gets. As are 5 or so others drafted after Josh

[Archx]

Any interest in Saddiq Bey?

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Yeah, he's daoneandonly's wet dream He always wanted him instead of Green. So there you go!

How old are you now, wet dream? Come on, I don't disrespect you so have some decency.

But Bey is better than Green now, and no matter what contract he gets. As are 5 or so others drafted after Josh

It's a figure of speech don't try to make it something it's not. And you were crying for Bey over Green for 4 years almost daily. So there you have it Green for Bay 1v1.

[BeiBeau]

Any interest in Saddiq Bey?

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Yeah, he's daoneandonly's wet dream He always wanted him instead of Green. So there you go!

How old are you now, wet dream? Come on, I don't disrespect you so have some decency.

But Bey is better than Green now, and no matter what contract he gets. As are 5 or so others drafted after Josh

You espouse Christian beliefs on these boards a fair amount and yet yesterday wanted Dallas to trade for Miles Bridges with 2 domestic violence incidents in the last 18 months. Please don’t lecture us on decency.

[daoneandonly]

Yeah, he's daoneandonly's wet dream He always wanted him instead of Green. So there you go!

How old are you now, wet dream? Come on, I don't disrespect you so have some decency.

But Bey is better than Green now, and no matter what contract he gets. As are 5 or so others drafted after Josh

It's a figure of speech don't try to make it something it's not. And you were crying for Bey over Green for 4 years almost daily. So there you have it Green for Bay 1v1.

And I'd be fine with that swap. But ATL isn't taking on 14 mil a year for barely average Josh, so afraid we're stuck

[Archx]

How old are you now, wet dream? Come on, I don't disrespect you so have some decency.

But Bey is better than Green now, and no matter what contract he gets. As are 5 or so others drafted after Josh

It's a figure of speech don't try to make it something it's not. And you were crying for Bey over Green for 4 years almost daily. So there you have it Green for Bay 1v1.

And I'd be fine with that swap. But ATL isn't taking on 14 mil a year for barely average Josh, so afraid we're stuck

Well Josh has been playing much better lately and we are getting reports multiple teams are interested in him.

[daoneandonly]

It's a figure of speech don't try to make it something it's not. And you were crying for Bey over Green for 4 years almost daily. So there you have it Green for Bay 1v1.

And I'd be fine with that swap. But ATL isn't taking on 14 mil a year for barely average Josh, so afraid we're stuck

Well Josh has been playing much better lately and we are getting reports multiple teams are interested in him.

Only benefits this team if both of those remain true, so let's all hope for such

[daoneandonly]

PJ is our guy, not a shining trade but good and cheap decision... Unless some real bargain will come...

I mean should we just do a straight swap with GWill? I doubt we can add anything sensible to also get Richard's, so just do this trade and address backup 5 elsewhere