Dallas Mavericks 2023/24 Trade thread

[ozwizard8]

Mavs last year started 23-17. After Kyrie trade, many new (cheap) FAs, and gods gift (Lively), Mavs are doing pretty much the same.
This year it is 24-19 approaching to trade deadline.

Mavs FO seems to be so obsessed with offense.
"If we can get a big who can also create off the dribble, that’d be a plus, preferably stand at least 6-foot-8." Cuban said.
We definitely need help at the frontcourt. Priority should be on defense, rebounding and 3pt shot to stretch the floor. Yes, I'd love to get Giannis, Banchero etc to have offensive skills but that's a pipe dream. If you focus on a big man that can create off the dribble you might end up with Dario Saric with the lack of trade assets and cap space.

Kidd often uses multiple offensive juggernauts in the rotations for some reason. Its so frequent to see Luka-Kyrie-THJ all on the floor together. When Kyrie is out for injury, you see him use Curry or Hardy with 2 other guards. I understand he tries to outscore the opponent, build momentum etc but its just taxing too much on defensive side.

Anyway, it is obvious that Kyrie experiment has failed. Last year it was an epic fail. God send a newborn Tyson Chandler to mercy on Mavs fans souls. FO made some nice cheap FA signings. But we are back at the same point with last year where we were suffering from letting Brunson go for free.

[ozwizard8]

I recall how people blamed Kidd for not playing C.Wood as he should. Cuban was expecting sth from Frank then Kyrie... I dont know but this year they probably started with expecting Grant Williams to be our Kawhi or sth.[Some posters saying here to sign vet min. Center. Anyone with an IQ number higher than 60 would know that signing Biyombo would not solve this team's problems and make it a contender.

Some dont like Kuzma as option here. Suggesting two 2nd round picks. C'mon lets be realistic.
J. Grant can help this team but can Mavs get him? Would he be enough? I am not sure.

In general, I do not think we have the assets to trade a significant player to make us contender. Can't make a fair trade as no one is willing to give anything for kyrie. But if a delusional owner is willing to pay like they did in PHX or Minnesota then I'd be happy to ship THJ-Kyrie to get an actual frontcourt player that deserves max contract.

[41Dirk41]

Close the asylum. Thank you.

[Teffer10]

PJ is our guy, not a shining trade but good and cheap decision... Unless some real bargain will come...

I mean should we just do a straight swap with GWill? I doubt we can add anything sensible to also get Richard's, so just do this trade and address backup 5 elsewhere

Richard's isnt that good so I can't see that holding up any deal.
Green/Williams/Hardy for Washington/Richard's should easily work for both teams. Just move Lawson into Green's role but more limited and we are set.

Luka/Exum/Seth
Kyrie/Hardaway
Jones/Lawson/Prosper
PJ/Maxi/Morris
Lively/Richards/Powell

[Apz]

We have no idea how this team looks atm. Way too injuryridden season. Need time without injuries to see what this team really looks like.

[Archx]

Mavs last year started 23-17. After Kyrie trade, many new (cheap) FAs, and gods gift (Lively), Mavs are doing pretty much the same.
This year it is 24-19 approaching to trade deadline.

You can't compare last season, if you didn't notice, Mavs had insane injury problems this year.

Mavs FO seems to be so obsessed with offense.

Pretty sure Kidd creates/approves offensive schemes not Cuban. And Mavs have 8th best offense in the league, defense is another story and Kidd was suppose to be heavily defensive minded coach? I have no clue if you blame Kidd or not for offense but it just shows you how much heavy lifting both Kyrie and Luka do for Mavs.

[41Dirk41]

PJ is our guy, not a shining trade but good and cheap decision... Unless some real bargain will come...

I mean should we just do a straight swap with GWill? I doubt we can add anything sensible to also get Richard's, so just do this trade and address backup 5 elsewhere

Richard's isnt that good so I can't see that holding up any deal.
Green/Williams/Hardy for Washington/Richard's should easily work for both teams. Just move Lawson into Green's role but more limited and we are set.

Luka/Exum/Seth
Kyrie/Hardaway
Jones/Lawson/Prosper
PJ/Maxi/Morris
Lively/Richards/Powell

Yes, Richards is nothing special but we have seen that a 7 footer who plays hard can be effective with Luka and Kyrie.
If he can provide us 10/15 minutes of defense and rebounding so he is our man.

Btw give up both Green and Hardy hurts... But i know their trade value is not so high, i prefer a package of Green-Hardy-Holmes and hoping for a Grant Williams come back sometimes in the season.

[Teffer10]

I mean should we just do a straight swap with GWill? I doubt we can add anything sensible to also get Richard's, so just do this trade and address backup 5 elsewhere

Richard's isnt that good so I can't see that holding up any deal.
Green/Williams/Hardy for Washington/Richard's should easily work for both teams. Just move Lawson into Green's role but more limited and we are set.

Luka/Exum/Seth
Kyrie/Hardaway
Jones/Lawson/Prosper
PJ/Maxi/Morris
Lively/Richards/Powell

Yes, Richards is nothing special but we have seen that a 7 footer who plays hard can be effective with Luka and Kyrie.
If he can provide us 10/15 minutes of defense and rebounding so he is our man.

Btw give up both Green and Hardy hurts... But i know their trade value is not so high, i prefer a package of Green-Hardy-Holmes and hoping for a Grant Williams come back sometimes in the season.

That deal would be even better if Hornets would go for it.

Not sure Richards would get PT over Powell, but at least we'd have an option with size if Lively is unavailable.

[ejs78]

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[ozwizard8]

Mavs last year started 23-17. After Kyrie trade, many new (cheap) FAs, and gods gift (Lively), Mavs are doing pretty much the same.
This year it is 24-19 approaching to trade deadline.

You can't compare last season, if you didn't notice, Mavs had insane injury problems this year.

Mavs did not have 'insane' injury problems. An insane injury problem would be Luka missing 25 games or sth.

This team has D.Lively as a god sent gift. He missed some games but its not unseen for a rookie to adjust to NBA tempo.
Kyrie missed some games but this is who he is. Kyrie has been missing 25-50% of games in the last 5 years. He is old now.

Mavs FO seems to be so obsessed with offense.

Pretty sure Kidd creates/approves offensive schemes not Cuban. And Mavs have 8th best offense in the league, defense is another story and Kidd was suppose to be heavily defensive minded coach? I have no clue if you blame Kidd or not for offense but it just shows you how much heavy lifting both Kyrie and Luka do for Mavs.

Kyrie is not lifting or heavy-lifting this team. He only had few good games all season. If #1 is Luka, then #2 would be Lively for this team easily. Yesterday, against Celtics we saw again playing Kyrie or not does not make much difference on court.

Cuban and FO is the one hired Kidd in expense of Rick Carlisle who is a top 5 coach in the league. Offensively he is great as well. Kidd came here to slow down the tempo which decreased offense and increased defense for Mavs. We made WCF with Kidd and many posters here applauded him for it. I think Carlisle would make the next rounds as well but Mavs were unlucky to play against healthy Kawhi Clippers in 1st round in his time. Its been 5 years since Clippers eliminated us in playoffs for first time in Luka era and we still dont have any answers to that matchup. Kawhi would still feast on us and we will depend Luka Magic for winning some games.

You can fire Kidd I dont mind. Maybe a new coach would be brave enough to say Luka/thj/kyrie is not working so trade one or two of them that are not named Luka.

Its just Luka-Kyrie-THJ for $100mm/year does not make sense. Even if you bring Phil Jackson, Popovich, Kerr, Mike Krzyzewski together, they are not going to make it work.

[ozwizard8]

Last week some poster showed that Indiana conceded 140 points so Carlisle must be trash coach. I mean he is the same coach whose team stopped Heatles and OKC Thunder with Durant-Harden-WB.
It is about the personnel you have. Marion-Chandler-Kidd-Stevenson brought that solid defense around Dirk.
Mavs-Kidd made WCF. If this team kept Brunson, DFS, add Aaron Gordon instead of Kyrie and somehow traded draft picks to get higher on draft nigh to select Lively, it would be a decent defensive team.

Luka
Brunson
DFS
someone like Aaron Gordon
Lively

with Dinwiddie, Green, Maxi as backups. DJJ, Exum like vet.min signings would be in larger rotation but not starters.

This team would be a good defensive team. Luka and Brunson would take turns on offense, and Brunson will lead the 2nd units. Dinwiddie would be that extra bench scorer.

I mean, this Luka-Brunson-Dinwiddie offensive core brought us to WCF. They deserved to stay. The issue was Kawhi f'in us, Wiggins-Looney becoming problem against us. It was all frontcourt issue! That team only needed help in rim protection/rebounding.

[dirkules_41]

Aaron Gordon is exactly the player this team needs, sadly we missed the boat on that one a few years ago and now he's unobtanium. But this is exactly the role we need. Athletic guy who can defend and rebound well, can hit open 3s and drive aggressively.

[joesha1698]

I would go after Wiggins. I would also try to upgrade the 4 and backup center as well. I'm not big on anyone joining this team if they arent known defenders. Wiggins is actually the perfect guy to go after when you think about it. He's a known and capable defender who has the ability to really step up offensively because he's been that guy that scored 20-30-40pts in a game.

[joesha1698]

The Mavs front office should approach our need at the 3 and 4 from this stand point (imo) - how can we add known defenders who have shown the capacity to put the ball in basket at different times in their career? So we should prioritize their defensive abilities and look at the offensive side as the added bonus.

[BliscoSantos]

I would go after Wiggins. I would also try to upgrade the 4 and backup center as well. I'm not big on anyone joining this team if they arent known defenders. Wiggins is actually the perfect guy to go after when you think about it. He's a known and capable defender who has the ability to really step up offensively because he's been that guy that scored 20-30-40pts in a game.

I'm up for a Wiggins THJ trade...GS sheds salary,keep their core+Young Players and can trade THJ in the offseason for an upgrade to improve roster

[41Dirk41]

Aaron Gordon is exactly the player this team needs, sadly we missed the boat on that one a few years ago and now he's unobtanium. But this is exactly the role we need. Athletic guy who can defend and rebound well, can hit open 3s and drive aggressively.

Nobody here wanted Gordon before the Denver trade because his salary, i remember this very well.
Now it's easy to said

Of course he would be perfect here but find a former #4 pick who played like first guy in his previous team and ended up to a glue guy for a contender it's nearly impossible... Great move by Nuggets.

Don't feed the troll and his ravings

[41Dirk41]

The Mavs front office should approach our need at the 3 and 4 from this stand point (imo) - how can we add known defenders who have shown the capacity to put the ball in basket at different times in their career? So we should prioritize their defensive abilities and look at the offensive side as the added bonus.

2 way wings are the most sought after and expensive role in the league... whoever owns them doesn't give them away unless crazy offers...

[joesha1698]

I just watched a video by a mavs podcaster and I would also be okay with kyle kuzma. He has the ability to play defense and with his offensive skillset I would be okay with that as well.

[BliscoSantos]

I just watched a video by a mavs podcaster and I would also be okay with kyle kuzma. He has the ability to play defense and with his offensive skillset I would be okay with that as well.

Kuzma would be fine,he even tweeted the Mavs are a player away from contending (might have been talking about himself),but the price tag might be too steep...the Wizzards know Mavs are desperate,akings also like him,maybe someone else,and they're gonna start a bidding war

[joesha1698]

One more thing. A. Griffin of the bucks was fired today. The bucks (ppg given up on defense) are worst than the Mavs. Mavs are 20th in the league in points given up and Boston is 4th. There's a reason why some people win and lose. The reality is, Luka and Kyrie stat lines can look good as they wanna look...they can score a lot of points...blah blah blah..But where is the commitment to beng a top 10 defense? That means not prioritizing your personal numbers but putting the team first. You know who did that great for years? The Spurs under Pop. You know who has a similar culture today? The Miami Heat.