Mavericks 2017 Draft #9

[JamesConway]

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[Dirk]

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Not a fan of Rubio. It irks me to read all comments that make Rubio look like he is very valuable from some Minny fans, it'd be awful if the Mavs made any short sighted deals where they actually 'paid' for him. If somehow the Wolves are giving him up in a low/no risk deal... sure (trade for Mathews), otherwise just move on. I rather see Yogi play over paying something meaningful for Rubio.

Never forget the irony of it all... the Wolves are picking #7 because they couldn't beat the Lakers 2x and OKC's bench. It'd be such a Mavs thing to have won 2 or 3 games too many and then go around and risk future assets. In any case, whatever happens is a 'crapshoot' in many ways, so just have to hope for the best.

[k-lynch201]

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If only we could make this Wes for Rubio thing work out.. and not include much more.

Im starting to zero in on wanting Smith, he has his knocks like every player, but at 9 he would be a great value for us and we NEED a PG.

[JamesConway]

Not a fan of Rubio. It irks me to read all the delusional comments about Rubio's value from some Minny fans, it'd be awful if the Mavs made any short sighted deals where they actually 'paid' for him. If somehow they are giving him up in a low risk deal... sure.

I wouldn't want to give up anything for him tbh. In a straight up salary dump I'm on board, but that's about it.

ESPN's report from the trade deadline after the Rose-for-Rubio-deal broke down:

For much of Thursday afternoon, the Knicks and Timberwolves were locked in a staring contest in their talks on a potential Derrick Rose deal.

Phil Jackson and the Knicks were looking for a second asset in a potential Rose-for-Ricky Rubio swap, per sources. The Timberwolves were unwilling to give up that second asset, whether it was a draft pick or a player. They made that stance clear as late as a half-hour before the deadline. It became a matter of who would blink first.

Shortly before the deadline, sources say members of the Knicks organization lowered their demands of that second asset. According to ESPN’s Marc Stein, the Knicks eventually offered the Wolves a Rubio-for-Rose trade, straight up.

Sources say that deal was offered minutes before the deadline. According to Stein, Minnesota balked at the deal.

Deals happen at the deadline all the time. It’s unclear at this point why Minnesota ultimately didn’t want to do the deal at the last minute. Sources said Minnesota earlier this week expressed concern over Rose’s pending free agency and what he may ask for on the open market. But several opposing executives believe Minnesota was prepared to do a Rubio-for-Rose swap, straight up, earlier Thursday.

http://www.espn.com/blog/new-york-knicks/post/_/id/66232/after-talking-rose-for-rubio-knicks-ultimately-stand-pat-at-deadline

[JamesConway]

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"Sources say Mavs and Timberwolves discussed swapping Wesley Matthews and the No. 9 pick for Ricky Rubio and No. 7. However, a source described those talks as "dead" at this point. Dallas does not feel urgency to move up from No. 9."

[Mr B]

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Not a fan of Rubio. It irks me to read all comments that make Rubio look like he is very valuable from some Minny fans, it'd be awful if the Mavs made any short sighted deals where they actually 'paid' for him. If somehow the Wolves are giving him up in a low/no risk deal... sure (trade for Mathews), otherwise just move on. I rather see Yogi play over paying something meaningful for Rubio.

Never forget the irony of it all... the Wolves are picking #7 because they couldn't beat the Lakers 2x and OKC's bench. It'd be such a Mavs thing to have won 2 or 3 games too many and then go around and risk future assets. In any case, whatever happens is a 'crapshoot' in many ways, so just have to hope for the best.

Even though the talks are said to be dead I would be very interested in Wes/9 for Rubio/7. I would assume that Isaac would then be the pick at 7. OR would they pass on Isaac and still take DSJ with the thought of flipping Rubio at a later date?

[Devassa]

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"Sources say Mavs and Timberwolves discussed swapping Wesley Matthews and the No. 9 pick for Ricky Rubio and No. 7. However, a source described those talks as "dead" at this point. Dallas does not feel urgency to move up from No. 9."

If we somehow came out of this draft

+Isaac and Rubio
-Wes

I would tattoo Nellie and Cubans face on my body somewhere

[dirkforpres]

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"Sources say Mavs and Timberwolves discussed swapping Wesley Matthews and the No. 9 pick for Ricky Rubio and No. 7. However, a source described those talks as "dead" at this point. Dallas does not feel urgency to move up from No. 9."

If we somehow came out of this draft

+Isaac and Rubio
-Wes

I would tattoo Nellie and Cubans face on my body somewhere

Yeah and I'll pay for it... along with the moving company to move Wes out of here.

I wonder if there would be a way to include Powell and Curry for Aldrich.

That would give us plenty of room for the Holiday duo or to straight up acquire Danny Green

[Dirk]

http://www.espn.com/blog/new-york-knicks/post/_/id/66232/after-talking-rose-for-rubio-knicks-ultimately-stand-pat-at-deadline

Yeah, that deal was strange. Despite Rubio's weaknesses, he is still a much better option than Rose. Obviously Rose has a connection with Thibs but still... that spoke volumes about his perceived valued. And now we've seen how the Lakers couldn't get a lottery pick for Russell. You have to think that Rubio doesn't really have much value in the trade market.

The Mavs are really at crossroads, with the way the NBA is you know that you are kind of no man's land with Barnes/Noel et al. The chances of this amounting to anything as far as being a contending/elite team are slim, so why risk anything significant in moves that don't move the needle? They need to focus on youth and player development and not on how many games they can win next year.

Even though the talks are said to be dead I would be very interested in Wes/9 for Rubio/7. I would assume that Isaac would then be the pick at 7. OR would they pass on Isaac and still take DSJ with the thought of flipping Rubio at a later date?

Unfortunately that deal feels "too good to be true" for Dallas. You'd think that Matthews at best has the same value as Rubio. So essentially the Wolves would be trading #7 for #9.

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"Sources say Mavs and Timberwolves discussed swapping Wesley Matthews and the No. 9 pick for Ricky Rubio and No. 7. However, a source described those talks as "dead" at this point. Dallas does not feel urgency to move up from No. 9."

Just the fact that apparently they "talked" and the Wolves didn't hang up the phone is very intriguing. Basically, that would suggest that the Wolves value Matthews more than Rubio which would be surprising.

You have to imagine that to get this deal done, the Mavs would have to include a future 1st and owing future picks is very uncomfortable as we've seen a couple of years ago when owing the Celtics.

[Devassa]

I think we all need to take a collective sigh of relief at the fact that this means Wes is on the trade market, contrary to what reports have been saying for months

[Mr B]

http://www.espn.com/blog/new-york-knicks/post/_/id/66232/after-talking-rose-for-rubio-knicks-ultimately-stand-pat-at-deadline

Yeah, that deal was strange. Despite Rubio's weaknesses, he is still a much better option than Rose. Obviously Rose has a connection with Thibs but still... that spoke volumes about his perceived valued. And now we've seen how the Lakers couldn't get a lottery pick for Russell. You have to think that Rubio doesn't really have much value in the trade market.

The Mavs are really at crossroads, with the way the NBA is you know that you are kind of no man's land with Barnes/Noel et al. The chances of this amounting to anything as far as being a contending/elite team are slim, so why risk anything significant in moves that don't move the needle? They need to focus on youth and player development and not on how many games they can win next year.

Even though the talks are said to be dead I would be very interested in Wes/9 for Rubio/7. I would assume that Isaac would then be the pick at 7. OR would they pass on Isaac and still take DSJ with the thought of flipping Rubio at a later date?

Unfortunately that deal feels "too good to be true" for Dallas. You'd think that Matthews at best has the same value as Rubio. So essentially the Wolves would be trading #7 for #9.

But...

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"Sources say Mavs and Timberwolves discussed swapping Wesley Matthews and the No. 9 pick for Ricky Rubio and No. 7. However, a source described those talks as "dead" at this point. Dallas does not feel urgency to move up from No. 9."

Just the fact that apparently they "talked" and the Wolves didn't hang up the phone is very intriguing. Basically, that would suggest that the Wolves value Matthews more than Rubio which would be surprising.

You have to imagine that to get this deal done, the Mavs would have to include a future 1st and owing future picks is very uncomfortable as we've seen a couple of years ago when owing the Celtics.

I think the Mavs unwillingness to include any future picks is what stalled the deal. The Wolves don't want to drop below the Mavs pick at 9 for fear that the Kings will pick Collins at 10. I think once the draft starts and the 7th pick comes up these talks will heat up. There is also a chance that if a trade does go down we may not hear about it until later in the draft. So if the Wolves pick Isaac and the Mavs pick Collins (and pass on DSJ/Monk/Ntilikina) the everyone here shouldn't freak out because the trade is likely on.

[Devassa]

http://www.espn.com/blog/new-york-knicks/post/_/id/66232/after-talking-rose-for-rubio-knicks-ultimately-stand-pat-at-deadline

Yeah, that deal was strange. Despite Rubio's weaknesses, he is still a much better option than Rose. Obviously Rose has a connection with Thibs but still... that spoke volumes about his perceived valued. And now we've seen how the Lakers couldn't get a lottery pick for Russell. You have to think that Rubio doesn't really have much value in the trade market.

The Mavs are really at crossroads, with the way the NBA is you know that you are kind of no man's land with Barnes/Noel et al. The chances of this amounting to anything as far as being a contending/elite team are slim, so why risk anything significant in moves that don't move the needle? They need to focus on youth and player development and not on how many games they can win next year.

Even though the talks are said to be dead I would be very interested in Wes/9 for Rubio/7. I would assume that Isaac would then be the pick at 7. OR would they pass on Isaac and still take DSJ with the thought of flipping Rubio at a later date?

Unfortunately that deal feels "too good to be true" for Dallas. You'd think that Matthews at best has the same value as Rubio. So essentially the Wolves would be trading #7 for #9.

But...

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"Sources say Mavs and Timberwolves discussed swapping Wesley Matthews and the No. 9 pick for Ricky Rubio and No. 7. However, a source described those talks as "dead" at this point. Dallas does not feel urgency to move up from No. 9."

Just the fact that apparently they "talked" and the Wolves didn't hang up the phone is very intriguing. Basically, that would suggest that the Wolves value Matthews more than Rubio which would be surprising.

You have to imagine that to get this deal done, the Mavs would have to include a future 1st and owing future picks is very uncomfortable as we've seen a couple of years ago when owing the Celtics.

I think the Mavs unwillingness to include any future picks is what stalled the deal. The Wolves don't want to drop below the Mavs pick at 9 for fear that the Kings will pick Collins at 10. I think once the draft starts and the 7th pick comes up these talks will heat up. There is also a chance that if a trade does go down we may not hear about it until later in the draft. So if the Wolves pick Isaac and the Mavs pick Collins (and pass on DSJ/Monk/Ntilikina) the everyone here shouldn't freak out because the trade is likely on.

I suppose we will find out prior to #9... Once Minnesota picks (if it's Smith), then I'm assuming the wheels are moving

[Pointguard01]

I really like the Rubio/#7 for Matthews/#9 trade. I think Rubio could really turn it around here. He also makes about half the maximum for the next 2-years, so it's a really solid deal.

Let's say Minnesota loves Collins and they think he is the best fit in-between KAT and Wiggins. If Issac is gone, do they reach or go with a BPA in Monk/Lauri/Frank? Dallas may be thinking if Minny sits there and has to make the decision, they take Collins and push one of the targeted players down to us.

Will be fun tomorrow.

I don't think calling a PG who averages 1.5 assists a game and looks timid whenever he gets on the court (against players that would amount to people fighting for a D league spot here) trash is being delusional. it's being realistic and wanting whats best for this team. Remmeber Roddy B, Pavel; Pok, Antoine Rodwhatever, yeah this team had one superstar find overseas, and evidence now points to that being Poppa nelson given how sorry Donnie/Cubes have proven to be.

Dallas hasn't drafted in the top 20 in the past 19 years, except when we traded for Devin Harris. You're example are irrelevant. Every team in the league has swung and missed in the 20s and 2nd round. You are lucky if you get a rotation player where we have drafted.

For those doubting Donnie, this is a solid read:
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2715633-metrics-101-ranking-nba-draft-track-records-for-each-teams-commander-in-chief

Donnie has made mistakes but he is far from the worse. The issue most of us are ignoring is that we haven't been in position to draft a true prospect in 20 years.

And yes, if you think just bc Frank is a bust bc he is international and Dallas is interested in him, you are delusional. And don't understand international basketball.



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That first statement is false, Dallas has been there multiple times, 2013 coming to mind, but traded the pick for trash, which also falls on the GM/Owner. Look who is the only other team talking about Nkinnia, the NYK, run by a guy who most believe is purposely trying to get fired so he can walk away with a full pay day. That goes to show you how inept this FO is. granted an opinion is just an opinion, but i truly believe they are just trying to make up for the fact that they missed on Giannis. The problem is, those guys are a rare breed, and there are much more international guys that succeed at the forward positions than guards

San Antonio is an exception to every rule, so outside of their guys, who really has been a very solid international guard worthy of being a top 10 pick? Living in Maryland and watching all 6 games of the Wiz-Hawks, I hope no one says Shroeder, cause he's good, but he's not top 10 in a loaded draft good.

Sorry, meant lottery, not top 20. Point remains the same. Dallas hasn't been in a position to draft nor develop young players. That is on management and coaching. We know this. And it's proven to be effective, as one of the best franchises since 2000. I simply don't think you can look at our draft history when thinking about drafting in the top ten, because we haven't done it.

Pretty decent read: https://sportsday.dallasnews.com/dallas-mavericks/mavericks/2017/06/19/will-mavericks-draft-smith-ntilikina-neither-guess-good

The big thing that stuck out to me was the athleticism/explosiveness that Smith has, and Nkinnia doesn't. We already have Noel and Barnes who are on the skinnier end for their respective positions, do we really need another guy?

I don't disagree and I go back and forth on the Nkilikina vs. DSJ pick. I'm happy with either and I trust the Mavs MGMT to make the right decision;they know far better than me. Like someone else mentioned, the skinny factor isn't important because of where the league is going but mainly because we are comparing frontcourt vs. backcourt. If Frank was going to play SF with Barnes/Noel upfront, it then becomes a valid argument. We do need some bulk inside with those two.

[daoneandonly]

Hope the Frank love is a smokescreen. if we trade an asset away to take Frank over DSJ, then this FO is more far gone than I ever imagined.

Even if that asset is Wes Matthews?

Yes because that means we're taking Nkinnia over DSJ and/or Issac, and thats just criminally stupid. Though as u know, i live parting ways with Wes

[Mr B]

Hope the Frank love is a smokescreen. if we trade an asset away to take Frank over DSJ, then this FO is more far gone than I ever imagined.

Even if that asset is Wes Matthews?

Yes because that means we're taking Nkinnia over DSJ and/or Issac, and thats just criminally stupid. Though as u know, i live parting ways with Wes

What makes you think that? If the Mavs are trading Wes/9 for Rubio/7 then I would expect the Mavs to take Isaac at 7 since they would already have their PG.

[2011Champs]

What I'm really interested in is trying to get Porzingis from a senile Phil Jackson. The asking price is a starter and a top 4 pick. I'd love to counter offer with some sort of #9 + 2018 1st + Matthews based deal or a #9 + Harrison Barnes based deal.

Phil desperately wants a top four pick so he might be able in turn to swap the Dallas pick plus the Knicks pick and a future pick(s) to move up? That would be his problem to deal with.

That is the draft day deal I'm focusing on if I'm Dallas. I'd love a Noel-Porzingis frontcourt. Yeah, it's a dream and it's a stretch but the door is slightly cracked to at least explore and make the offer.

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NAME YOUR PRICE, PHIL!!!!

[Mr B]

What I'm really interested in is trying to get Porzingis from a senile Phil Jackson. The asking price is a starter and a top 4 pick. I'd love to counter offer with some sort of #9 + 2018 1st + Matthews based deal or a #9 + Harrison Barnes based deal.

Phil desperately wants a top four pick so he might be able in turn to swap the Dallas pick plus the Knicks pick and a future pick(s) to move up? That would be his problem to deal with.

That is the draft day deal I'm focusing on if I'm Dallas. I'd love a Noel-Porzingis frontcourt. Yeah, it's a dream and it's a stretch but the door is slightly cracked to at least explore and make the offer.

Any deal bringing Porzingis to Dallas will surely include the Mavs having to also take on Noah's contract. I would give up the farm to get Porzingis but I just don't see how the Mavs could put a package together that would be anything better than a team like Boston could put together.

[Teffer10]

What I'm really interested in is trying to get Porzingis from a senile Phil Jackson. The asking price is a starter and a top 4 pick. I'd love to counter offer with some sort of #9 + 2018 1st + Matthews based deal or a #9 + Harrison Barnes based deal.

Phil desperately wants a top four pick so he might be able in turn to swap the Dallas pick plus the Knicks pick and a future pick(s) to move up? That would be his problem to deal with.

That is the draft day deal I'm focusing on if I'm Dallas. I'd love a Noel-Porzingis frontcourt. Yeah, it's a dream and it's a stretch but the door is slightly cracked to at least explore and make the offer.

Any deal bringing Porzingis to Dallas will surely include the Mavs having to also take on Noah's contract. I would give up the farm to get Porzingis but I just don't see how the Mavs could put a package together that would be anything better than a team like Boston could put together.

Agree.....we have nothing that would interest NY so talking about it is a waste of time.

And I just don't understand all of the interest in Rubio. He would be a horrible fit on this team.

[Clyde Frazier]

Latest draftexpress mock has knicks taking monk, mavs taking dennis smith, and frank falling all the way to 15th to the blazers! I really can't see that happening... (mainly frank falling that far)