Dallas Mavericks 2025 Trade thread -- Roster and Cap

[arkuo]

Central has mentioned Collin Sexton as another name linked to the Mavs.

So far that's Sexton and Anfernee Simons that's been on the news as of late. Common denominator is a point guard if it we're obvious by now. They're gonna get one for sure by hook or by crook.

[daoneandonly]

So Nico is a lying jack A preaching defense than going after SImons and Sexton.

[GQ03]

Very few trades worth giving up future assets, but this one would check off enough boxes for me if doable:

DAL receives: D. Daniels / B. Klintman
ATL receives: D. Gafford / M. Christie / LAL ‘29 1st Via DAL / DAL ‘31 1st Unprotected / PHI ‘30 2nd Via DAL / DAL ‘32 2nd
DET receives: C. Martin / J. Hardy / Max Cash Considerations Via DAL / 22nd Pick Via ATL

ATL gets their starting center replacement for Capela and a young, affordable off-ball guard in Christie, along with future draft capital for another move. Detroit adds affordable depth allowing them to not overpay for guys like THJ and Beasley, while adding a 1st in this year’s deep draft (which they do not currently have).

This accomplishes virtually all of our secondary and tertiary goals this summer in one fell swoop. You shed 28 million (enough to sign Flagg, resign Kyrie, and open up the full MLE); addresses the need for a lead guard to run the offense while Kyrie rehabs—who also fits alongside him in the backcourt when he returns; nabs one of the top 5 POA defenders in the league (who happens to be 22 and alleviates any expectation for Cooper to be that guy out of the gate); and you resolve the minute/contractual front court conundrum posed by the Flagg/AD/Lively/PJ/Gafford quintet. Moreover, you lock in place a 22 and under Guard/Wing/Big trio of Daniels/Flagg/Lively that complements AD and Kyrie here and now, while being an extremely flexible two-way core to build around down the road.

Pre-Kyrie Return Depth Chart:

PG: Daniels (30) / Williams (15)
SG: Thompson (25) / Exum (15)
SF: Flagg (30) / Marshall (20) / Klintman
PF: Davis (35) / Washington (30) / Prosper
C: Lively (25) / Capela (15) / Powell

Playoff Depth Chart:

PG: Daniels (30) / Williams / Exum
SG: Kyrie (35) / Thompson (25)
SF: Flagg (30) / Marshall (20) / Klintman
PF: Davis (35) / Washington (30) / Prosper
C: Lively (25) / Capela (10) / Powell

Huge 9-man rotation that features Kyrie as the only player under 6-7. ATL obviously won’t actively look to move the 2025 MIP, but this package gives them adequate compensation to consider imo.

While I can appreciate your efforts here and while I like Daniels you do realize that you have us giving up Gafford, Christie, Martin, Hardy, two 1st rd picks and two 2nd rd picks for just Dyson Daniels? We didn't give up that much to get Kyrie? I know Bane got 4 firsts but I'm not sure how much of a better player Daniels is over Christie (and they're both 22 w/ Christie being a better shooter) alone much less that additional package. Gross overpay at worst and misallocation of assets at best.

[Jg41]

Very few trades worth giving up future assets, but this one would check off enough boxes for me if doable:

DAL receives: D. Daniels / B. Klintman
ATL receives: D. Gafford / M. Christie / LAL ‘29 1st Via DAL / DAL ‘31 1st Unprotected / PHI ‘30 2nd Via DAL / DAL ‘32 2nd
DET receives: C. Martin / J. Hardy / Max Cash Considerations Via DAL / 22nd Pick Via ATL

ATL gets their starting center replacement for Capela and a young, affordable off-ball guard in Christie, along with future draft capital for another move. Detroit adds affordable depth allowing them to not overpay for guys like THJ and Beasley, while adding a 1st in this year’s deep draft (which they do not currently have).

This accomplishes virtually all of our secondary and tertiary goals this summer in one fell swoop. You shed 28 million (enough to sign Flagg, resign Kyrie, and open up the full MLE); addresses the need for a lead guard to run the offense while Kyrie rehabs—who also fits alongside him in the backcourt when he returns; nabs one of the top 5 POA defenders in the league (who happens to be 22 and alleviates any expectation for Cooper to be that guy out of the gate); and you resolve the minute/contractual front court conundrum posed by the Flagg/AD/Lively/PJ/Gafford quintet. Moreover, you lock in place a 22 and under Guard/Wing/Big trio of Daniels/Flagg/Lively that complements AD and Kyrie here and now, while being an extremely flexible two-way core to build around down the road.

Pre-Kyrie Return Depth Chart:

PG: Daniels (30) / Williams (15)
SG: Thompson (25) / Exum (15)
SF: Flagg (30) / Marshall (20) / Klintman
PF: Davis (35) / Washington (30) / Prosper
C: Lively (25) / Capela (15) / Powell

Playoff Depth Chart:

PG: Daniels (30) / Williams / Exum
SG: Kyrie (35) / Thompson (25)
SF: Flagg (30) / Marshall (20) / Klintman
PF: Davis (35) / Washington (30) / Prosper
C: Lively (25) / Capela (10) / Powell

Huge 9-man rotation that features Kyrie as the only player under 6-7. ATL obviously won’t actively look to move the 2025 MIP, but this package gives them adequate compensation to consider imo.

While I can appreciate your efforts here and while I like Daniels you do realize that you have us giving up Gafford, Christie, Martin, Hardy, two 1st rd picks and two 2nd rd picks for just Dyson Daniels? We didn't give up that much to get Kyrie? I know Bane got 4 firsts but I'm not sure how much of a better player Daniels is over Christie (and they're both 22 w/ Christie being a better shooter) alone much less that additional package. Gross overpay at worst and misallocation of assets at best.

If you recall, Kyrie was a distressed asset, BKN had to move him and at the time believed they were still going to retain and build around KD. That’s why our package of DoDo and Spencer plus reasonable draft capital was by far the most attractive offer on the market.

Dyson, on the other hand, is literally the MIP and almost a decade younger than Kyrie was when we acquired him. He will be expensive. The team is not trading AD. Period. The wishcasting to that effect notwithstanding, AD, Flagg, and Lively will (justifiably) require significant payroll and minute allocation for the remainder of the decade at least. Consequently, the team will be lucky to retain one of PJ or Gafford moving forward. PJ is the better player and likely has more universal appeal than Gaff. If we don’t trade one this summer, we will lose at least one for nothing this summer if not both. The alternative is you move one at the deadline, but deadline deals virtually write off whatever contention hopes you might have.

Given that calculus, not moving Gafford this summer is itself a gross misallocation of assets. While Christie is definitely a positive asset, Martin and Hardy are negative ones. The main aspect of this deal you overlooked is the fact that we’re shedding 28 million in payroll—which opens up the full MLE—thereby netting us Capela. The deal is admittedly less attractive without Capela, but he’s exactly the kind of Gafford replacement we need. A guy on the back end of his prime who’s content to come off the bench and content to sign for 14-16M. Gafford wants to start, is worthy of doing so, and will command Jarrett Allen money minimum. We simply can’t allocate the requisite money and role to retain him. Shedding 28M in payroll is expensive in today’s NBA (and arguably even unrealistic). 2 late firsts is a small price to pay given this landscape when you’re talking about adding a bonafide 15 year starter to pair with your 19 year old generational 1st overall pick.

[Maverick41]

Rumor circulating is that DAL is trying hard to get into the late 1st round or early 2nd round. Funny thing is, if Nico didn't stupidly include the PHI 25 SRP in the Grimes trade, we'd already have the 35th pick and wouldn't have to give more assets

[Darren]

AD, Martin, Powell, Hardy and a 2nd round pick for Murray, Herb Jones, Murphy, anyone?

[Darren]

All of a sudden, you get a group of players who can grow together yet still contending

[Darren]

Lively / Gafford / Kai Jones
Flagg / PJ / OMax
Herb Jones / Murphy / Marshall
Murray / Christie
Kyrie / Brandon Williams

You still have plenty of assets to trade for a semi-start PG.

[Teffer10]

Lively / Gafford / Kai Jones
Flagg / PJ / OMax
Herb Jones / Murphy / Marshall
Murray / Christie
Kyrie / Brandon Williams

You still have plenty of assets to trade for a semi-start PG.

NO wouldnt do that deal.

[arkuo]

So Nico is a lying jack A preaching defense than going after SImons and Sexton.

Those are the names available for the talent you're willing to give up. Cooper Flagg can get you a Giannis and we can seriously compete for a title. But we know them folks going to protest outside the AAC again if Mavs trade Flagg. So it looks like Mavs are sticking with Flagg over the finished product. For now.

[ACMFFL]

So Nico is a lying jack A preaching defense than going after SImons and Sexton.

Those are the names available for the talent you're willing to give up. Cooper Flagg can get you a Giannis and we can seriously compete for a title. But we know them folks going to protest outside the AAC again if Mavs trade Flagg. So it looks like Mavs are sticking with Flagg over the finished product. For now.

Except that we won't, Flagg + depth give us a way better shot at the title than Giannis alone.

[arkuo]

So Nico is a lying jack A preaching defense than going after SImons and Sexton.

Those are the names available for the talent you're willing to give up. Cooper Flagg can get you a Giannis and we can seriously compete for a title. But we know them folks going to protest outside the AAC again if Mavs trade Flagg. So it looks like Mavs are sticking with Flagg over the finished product. For now.

Except that we won't, Flagg + depth give us a way better shot at the title than Giannis alone.

I get your point. But at this stage, Flagg is not a guarantee by any means. Yes, we've seen the dunks against college players but I've yet to see him play an NBA minute. Giannis is a finished product an will be one of the greats when he decides to hang it up. In 2025 Giannis > Flagg. But the circumstances involving a scorned fanbase wouldn't allow Nico to trade Flagg. And that is understandable.

If I had my way, I'd trade Flagg and filler for Giannis. Then AD for KD. A Giannis and KD two man game would be unguardable. SGA would look like a fool running around those two.

[ACMFFL]

Those are the names available for the talent you're willing to give up. Cooper Flagg can get you a Giannis and we can seriously compete for a title. But we know them folks going to protest outside the AAC again if Mavs trade Flagg. So it looks like Mavs are sticking with Flagg over the finished product. For now.

Except that we won't, Flagg + depth give us a way better shot at the title than Giannis alone.

I get your point. But at this stage, Flagg is not a guarantee by any means. Yes, we've seen the dunks against college players but I've yet to see him play an NBA minute. Giannis is a finished product an will be one of the greats when he decides to hang it up. In 2025 Giannis > Flagg. But the circumstances involving a scorned fanbase wouldn't allow Nico to trade Flagg. And that is understandable.

If I had my way, I'd trade Flagg and filler for Giannis. Then AD for KD. A Giannis and KD two man game would be unguardable. SGA would look like a fool running around those two.

Ofc Flagg will be nowhere near close to Giannis level in his rookie season, but in this new CBA era you can't build a legit title contender around 3 supermax players, especially if all of them are injure prone.

Giannis would likely cost PJ+Gaff+Klay+Flagg+1 FRP if not Lively as well, then we are left with: Lively/Giannis/KD/Caleb/no starting level PG until January, no depth, no asset left to improve and retool the roster, this team aint going anywhere.
And just a reminder that we owe all of our firsts from 2027 to 2030, I don't think that GA/KD/Kai core is still good enough to compete by that time, we could easily turn into a slighlty better version of the current Suns.

[ACMFFL]

Is it possible for incentives in a player's contract to cause their total compensation to exceed the maximum allowable extension amount?

I mean, could we legally offer something like this to PJW: 4y/88M + 15% in LBT?

[arkuo]

Except that we won't, Flagg + depth give us a way better shot at the title than Giannis alone.

I get your point. But at this stage, Flagg is not a guarantee by any means. Yes, we've seen the dunks against college players but I've yet to see him play an NBA minute. Giannis is a finished product an will be one of the greats when he decides to hang it up. In 2025 Giannis > Flagg. But the circumstances involving a scorned fanbase wouldn't allow Nico to trade Flagg. And that is understandable.

If I had my way, I'd trade Flagg and filler for Giannis. Then AD for KD. A Giannis and KD two man game would be unguardable. SGA would look like a fool running around those two.

Ofc Flagg will be nowhere near close to Giannis level in his rookie season, but in this new CBA era you can't build a legit title contender around 3 supermax players, especially if all of them are injure prone.

Giannis would likely cost PJ+Gaff+Klay+Flagg+1 FRP if not Lively as well, then we are left with: Lively/Giannis/KD/Caleb/no starting level PG until January, no depth, no asset left to improve and retool the roster, this team aint going anywhere.
And just a reminder that we owe all of our firsts from 2027 to 2030, I don't think that GA/KD/Kai core is still good enough to compete by that time, we could easily turn into a slighlty better version of the current Suns.

Seeing OKC in the finals now, I can see Giannis walking all around these guys.

But again, the cirucmstances won't allow Dallas to deal Flagg. So we'll likely go that route.

[Darren]

Gafford and Klay to SAS for Vassell and #14 anyone?

The Mavs could join the KD trade as well. Phoenix is rumored to look for center. I think they prefer Gafford than # 14.

I prefer to draft the Maxi Kleber clone in this range. I don't think there are a lot of quality backcourt in this range. Or flip this pick with Martin for Lonzo and a 2nd.

[Teffer10]

Klay/Martin/OMax or Powell for Jrue/#32.
Who says us no?

Take Proctor at 32 and we have our win now/stopgap PG and player who can play with Kyrie when he returns in Jrue and a player to develop with Flagg, Lively, Christie and Ajinca.

If Boston balks and wants to replace Martin and OMax with Naji I'd still do that deal.

[GQ03]

Klay/Martin/OMax or Powell for Jrue/#32.
Who says us no?

Take Proctor at 32 and we have our win now/stopgap PG and player who can play with Kyrie when he returns in Jrue and a player to develop with Flagg, Lively, Christie and Ajinca.

If Boston balks and wants to replace Martin and OMax with Naji I'd still do that deal.

I want no part of paying an old washed up Jrue Holiday $30M+ into his mid to late 30s.

[Mr B]

So if the Mavs are able to get a 2nd round pick what would you guys think about drafting Hansen Yang. Some have been saying he’s Jokic starter kit. Raw and not much defense but is rally smart, has a soft shooting touch around the basket, and is pretty crafty in the paint.

https://youtu.be/-sy2AXFuGwk?si=QzlNbnoT5faAmraM

[Maverick41]

So if the Mavs are able to get a 2nd round pick what would you guys think about drafting Hansen Yang. Some have been saying he’s Jokic starter kit. Raw and not much defense but is rally smart, has a soft shooting touch around the basket, and is pretty crafty in the paint.

https://youtu.be/-sy2AXFuGwk?si=QzlNbnoT5faAmraM

Rafael Barlowe, a draft scout that has a good reputation, had a lot of good things to say about him so if we can take a flier on him, I'd be very interested. Problem is he doesn't seem like a Nico guy because of the defensive deficiencies.