Luka Dončić Discussion - Year 2

J_T · Post #1161 » by **J_T** » Thu Nov 21, 2019 12:25 am

Imon wrote:
J_T wrote:
Imon wrote:
Still fairly early in the season. Luka will likely have more bad games - the strange thing about the Denver game is that the Mavs won. Even Dirk as a veteran player had his bad games from time to time.
If the other guys around Luka (including KP) play well this team can be competitive.

Now only if Luka could bump his 3-pt percentage to maybe around 35% this season and hopefully around 40% in the middle of his prime he'd be a nearly flawless player. His FT shooting could use work too but I don't really see him becoming a 90% shooter like Dirk. If he could stay around 85% I'd be happy. It would be so freakin' awesome if one day Luka could join the 50/40/90 club like Dirk.

Doncic will never be a 50-40-90 player. He is on pace for over 700 three pointers. There is only one qualifying season above 380 attempted three pointers and that's Curry who was shooting absurd 45.4%. Curry shooting 500 3-pointers at "only" 42% rate was already too bad.
Dirk got into the club because he shot only 173 three pointers. Luka is already at 118 attempts after only 13 games. Fun fact - if Dirk shot only 30 more three pointers that season, so 203 instead of 173, he would not have made the 50-40-90 club. And the guy was shooting 41.6%!

I'm not sure it's the 3-pointers holding Luka back from never making the 50/40/90 club I think it would be the FT shooting.
I do agree it's next to impossible to make the club if you jack up a bunch of 3's but one of the underrated part of Luka's season so far has been his 2pt%. He's currently sitting at an impressive 61% 2pt%! If Luka could maintain this high 2pt% and cut down his 3PTA by half it might be possible to have a 50% FG if he ever manages to achieve an elite 3pt%.

It is the 3-pt shooting that holds every offensive guard/forward from reaching the 50-40-90 today. You don't have to be sure or not sure, it's mathematics

You can't possibly expect Luka to cut down 3-pt shooting by half. Why would he do that? So that he could make the 50-40-90 club?

Giannis is not cutting his 3-pointers, LeBron is not cutting his 3-pointers and you are expecting Luka to cut them? LeBron is the worst pull up 3-pt shooter in the league at 25% among those that shoot a lot of them and he just keeps going. It's not happening.

DJ_3_Ball · Post #1162 » by **DJ_3_Ball** » Thu Nov 21, 2019 8:32 am

After the Cleveland game, I thought Luka was, somewhat, just off to a hot start, and it might be moreso a preview of what we'd come to see in 2-3 years.

But, this kid is 2nd in PER after tonight. It's Giannis and then Luka. That's a sentence I think NBA fans will have to get use to saying or vice versa. Giannis and Luka look poised to be the 2 most dominant players in the NBA for the next 5-8 years or longer.

Luka is damn near averaging a 30 point triple double, practically 20% of the way through the season. I mean, Good Lord!

Triple Doncic!

Da77as Mavericks! Leggo!!!

J_T · Post #1163 » by **J_T** » Thu Nov 21, 2019 1:37 pm

DJ_3_Ball wrote:After the Cleveland game, I thought Luka was, somewhat, just off to a hot start, and it might be moreso a preview of what we'd come to see in 2-3 years.

But, this kid is 2nd in PER after tonight. It's Giannis and then Luka. That's a sentence I think NBA fans will have to get use to saying or vice versa. Giannis and Luka look poised to be the 2 most dominant players in the NBA for the next 5-8 years or longer.

I think there's even better sounding sentence, best 2 or 3 players based on BPM every season:

Luka 13.5
Giannis 12.9
LeBron 10.5

18/19
Harden 11.7 - second in MVP voting
Giannis 10.8 - first in MVP voting

17/18
Harden 10.9 - first in MVP voting
LeBron 9.6 - second in MVP voting

16/17
Westbrook 15.6 - first in MVP voting
Harden 10.1 - second in MVP voting

15/16
Curry 12.5 - first in MVP voting
Westbrook 10.0 - well, it was unanimous

14/15
Westbrook 11.0 - 4th in MVP voting
Curry 9.9 - first in MVP voting

13/14
LeBron 8.9 - second in MVP voting
Durant 8.8 - first in MVP voting

12/13
LeBron 11.6 - first in MVP voting
Durant 7.7 - second in MVP voting

11/12
LeBron 11.0 - first in MVP voting
Pinkyring's fav player - third in MVP voting

I see a pattern.

Post #1164 » by **Dirk** » Thu Nov 21, 2019 1:47 pm

Found the G spot
He seems to have found a sweet spot. Everyone knows where it is,
Last 4 games.

Spoiler:

8/18 ~44.4%

The on/off
offense +3.6
defense -7.1

Pass of the night

Gfycat Video - Click to Play

oldshoolballer · Post #1165 » by **oldshoolballer** » Thu Nov 21, 2019 2:44 pm

DJ_3_Ball wrote:After the Cleveland game, I thought Luka was, somewhat, just off to a hot start, and it might be moreso a preview of what we'd come to see in 2-3 years.

But, this kid is 2nd in PER after tonight. It's Giannis and then Luka. That's a sentence I think NBA fans will have to get use to saying or vice versa. Giannis and Luka look poised to be the 2 most dominant players in the NBA for the next 5-8 years or longer.

Luka is damn near averaging a 30 point triple double, practically 20% of the way through the season. I mean, Good Lord!

Triple Doncic!

Da77as Mavericks! Leggo!!!

I really like Luka's chances at MVP.I still can't believe the team lost twice to the Knicks.Should be a 11-3 record.And that is what is so remarkable other than Porzingis this is not a very talented team.And in all honesty KP hasn't been overwhelming at all. The MVP is kind of bogus in a way that it usually goes to the player who's team has the best record.

Jstock12 · Post #1166 » by **Jstock12** » Thu Nov 21, 2019 9:44 pm

J_T wrote:
Imon wrote:
J_T wrote:Doncic will never be a 50-40-90 player. He is on pace for over 700 three pointers. There is only one qualifying season above 380 attempted three pointers and that's Curry who was shooting absurd 45.4%. Curry shooting 500 3-pointers at "only" 42% rate was already too bad.
Dirk got into the club because he shot only 173 three pointers. Luka is already at 118 attempts after only 13 games. Fun fact - if Dirk shot only 30 more three pointers that season, so 203 instead of 173, he would not have made the 50-40-90 club. And the guy was shooting 41.6%!

I'm not sure it's the 3-pointers holding Luka back from never making the 50/40/90 club I think it would be the FT shooting.
I do agree it's next to impossible to make the club if you jack up a bunch of 3's but one of the underrated part of Luka's season so far has been his 2pt%. He's currently sitting at an impressive 61% 2pt%! If Luka could maintain this high 2pt% and cut down his 3PTA by half it might be possible to have a 50% FG if he ever manages to achieve an elite 3pt%.

It is the 3-pt shooting that holds every offensive guard/forward from reaching the 50-40-90 today. You don't have to be sure or not sure, it's mathematics You can't possibly expect Luka to cut down 3-pt shooting by half. Why would he do that? So that he could make the 50-40-90 club? Giannis is not cutting his 3-pointers, LeBron is not cutting his 3-pointers and you are expecting Luka to cut them? LeBron is the worst pull up 3-pt shooter in the league at 25% among those that shoot a lot of them and he just keeps going. It's not happening.

I think Luka can make the 50-38-85 club at his peak. It's not as glamorous as the 50-40-90 club, and nobody is talking about the 50-38-85 club, but given Luka's volume still very impressive.

J_T · Post #1167 » by **J_T** » Sat Nov 23, 2019 4:32 am

Tons of interesting info in this article btw, in case somebody missed it.

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/28115706/how-rick-carlisle-learned-stop-worrying-love-luka-doncic

mcscotty · Post #1168 » by **mcscotty** » Sat Nov 23, 2019 10:32 am

It doesn't even seem real. A 20-year-old baby faced white kid putting up video game stats in his sophomore year and leading an otherwise pretty crappy team to a very respectable record. Never thought I'd see something like this in my lifetime. He's pulling off some next level Magic Johnson stuff.

J_T · Post #1169 » by **J_T** » Sat Nov 23, 2019 11:33 am

@ Luka answering "No, I think we are good" to question if he wanted Dirk to come back and play.

Post #1170 » by **Dirk** » Sat Nov 23, 2019 12:35 pm

Spoiler:

And I laugh at this stuff

Gfycat Video - Click to Play

It's just abuse.

J_T · Post #1171 » by **J_T** » Sat Nov 23, 2019 1:24 pm

Dirk wrote:

Gfycat Video - Click to Play

I know that teams are trying everything to try to stop him and I understand that this was an idea to force him to go left but this was really REALLY bad idea. Sure, he might prefer to go right, but if he is given completely free path, this becomes one of the most stupid and inefficient D played on Luka that I have ever seen. There is not even anything here for next opponents to learn from, it should be pretty obvious that this can't work.

DJ_3_Ball · Post #1172 » by **DJ_3_Ball** » Mon Nov 25, 2019 12:40 am

Unless Bradley Beal catches like historic fire in the 4th quarter (and/or OT), Luka will finish the night as the 2nd leading scorer in the NBA. Wow. Kid is #1 in PER also. It's incredible. He's barely into year 2, and I'm damn near running out of adjectives to describe his greatness. Lol

Archx · Post #1173 » by **Archx** » Mon Nov 25, 2019 1:16 am

Read on Twitter

Post #1174 » by **Dirk** » Mon Nov 25, 2019 3:23 am

Luka & Cuban, that moment you know we should be destined for nice things

Spoiler:

Pray for his knees and ankles.

Luka "plays no d"

Spoiler:

Can you even begin to image how devastating he will be as he continues to work on his body?

Spoiler:

He is already the best in the league driving inside...

Okay.

I love how he bullies people.

PJ Tucker cannot guard him. Austin Rivers was massacred.

Spoiler:

THJr making the cool pass look good

Spoiler:

For reference, this Houston game eve contained various bad plays from him. Some shots that were dumb considering how the team was rolling and some bad passes. But the key thing in this game was how he got back in the game in the 4th quarter and calmed things down and put the Rockets away for good.

Archx · Post #1175 » by **Archx** » Mon Nov 25, 2019 3:29 am

Dirk wrote:.

Btw Dirk, do you have a count how many different players actually guarded him today? Felt like they tried everyone. Each time i looked there was a different guy on him.

Imon · Post #1176 » by **Imon** » Mon Nov 25, 2019 3:42 am

Rashad Phillips talking about Luka Doncic on the Max Van Auken Podcast.

Starts around the 18 minute mark.
Apparently his new angle on Luka is that he's not fun to play with. :lol:

They also say they still prefer Trae going forward and spends a lot of the time pumping up Trae during the Luka talk.

Forbes · Post #1177 » by **Forbes** » Mon Nov 25, 2019 3:42 am

Dirk wrote:
For reference, this Houston game eve contained various bad plays from him. Some shots that were dumb considering how the team was rolling and some bad passes. But the key thing in this game was how he got back in the game in the 4th quarter and calmed things down and put the Rockets away for good.

This was the next level of growth we wanted from Luka, in the beginning of the season we had some close games where Luka didn’t make the best decision in terms of closing the game.

Already it looks like that has changed and he play way more calmly in the 4th. One thing I noticed about Luka is once he gets comfortable in situations he gets better.

fuller4379 · Post #1178 » by **fuller4379** » Mon Nov 25, 2019 4:11 am

I wonder if there is a free agent or two from last season that regrets not coming to Dallas. We will not have the cap space for a big fish next year.

fuller4379 · Post #1179 » by **fuller4379** » Mon Nov 25, 2019 4:13 am

Imon wrote:Rashad Phillips talking about Luka Doncic on the Max Van Auken Podcast.

Starts around the 18 minute mark.
Apparently his new angle on Luka is that he's not fun to play with.
They also say they still prefer Trae going forward and spends a lot of the time pumping up Trae during the Luka talk.

I believe Luka’s agent told Atlanta that there was no way Luka would play in Atlanta. Assuming that was the case, Atlanta made a good move.

Nikson · Post #1180 » by **Nikson** » Mon Nov 25, 2019 7:42 am

Imon wrote:Rashad Phillips talking about Luka Doncic on the Max Van Auken Podcast.

Starts around the 18 minute mark.
Apparently his new angle on Luka is that he's not fun to play with.
They also say they still prefer Trae going forward and spends a lot of the time pumping up Trae during the Luka talk.

We understand.
Luka has a 9 pt avg in Europe. Playing with pros. From 20 years old to 36.

Trae has 25 pt avg. against his pears 18yo.
Luka has 50 pt avg. against his pears 18yo. in Europe.

The only logical conclusion is to compare the uncomparable. Because your intention is pure and good.
And ALL the others intentions are not good.

So, we have to doom Luka on every possible level. Because it is the inclusive way to do it.
Because he was so privileged living with divorced mother, went from home to the world, leaving all he knew to that moment, at 13 years old.

We know what this is called in real world. Not in narrative.