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Re: [Woj, Shams] KP to Dallas 

Post#121 » by Pointguard01 » Fri Feb 1, 2019 3:42 am

Luka_be_Dope wrote:Wondering where 47m in cap space is coming from?


This July, here are the contracts:

Harrison Barnes, 1-yr, 25-million
Dwight Powell, 1-yr, 11-million
Courtney Lee, 1-yr, 12-million

I think maybe you read it as cap space, but I'm saying expiring. Though pending scenarios with (1) resigning Maxi + DFS at and (2) what free agents we sign, there is a way towards huge cap space in 2020. In actuality, we probably have 20-million.

We won't have much, if any, cap space in 2019.
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Re: Kristaps Porzingis Discussion 

Post#122 » by J_T » Fri Feb 1, 2019 3:44 am

Pointguard01 wrote:It's funny that there were NO reports of Porzingis taking the Qualifying Offer with a franchise that he obviously hated, and as soon as he's traded, this report comes out. It sounds like complete BS and something that is coming from the Knicks camp to push the blow back their getting from a PR perspective.

I'd put the chances he would have resigned with the Knicks @ 80%. It's higher with the Mavericks.

Considering our ATL pick is unprotected now, let's get him on the court ASAP!

I also doubt that he would take QO. As for the Hawks pick, it seems that the protection is still there. The wording of the trade deal with the Knicks is apparently "first available". So the 2021 unprotected pick to the Knicks could be 2021 but if that's not possible then it would have been later.
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Re: [Woj, Shams] KP to Dallas 

Post#123 » by ozwizard8 » Fri Feb 1, 2019 3:44 am

Luka_be_Dope wrote:
Dave DaButcher wrote:Knicks fan here who is holding onto his fandom by tenuous fingertips. Would appreciate the views of those of you who've seen DSJ play every day. I've heard some mixed things, but am wondering what we should expect in terms of current level of play and, more importantly, longer-term potential. Thanks in advance.



I would place him firmly in the Mike Conley to Russ category for max potential. Worst case scenario, Patrick Beverly/Eric Bledsoe. He has shown growth this year, so unless he regresses he is a solid return.

He's just too small to become a great pg like those 2.
I know he's not a bad defender but his ceiling is low.
One can remember how Russ ate C.Paul, T.Parker like guys in playoff matchups.
Conley also good defender but he also has physical tools and mentality in place.

DSJ is more S.Francis type player.
Two best outcomes for his skillset, athleticism and his body: Lillard and Kemba.
But they're the best scenario. Knee injury history, having fights for his role etc are all just bad signs.
You can see great players effect even on their rookie year. DSJ would polish his role on offense but that wont be enough to justify his future max contract.
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Re: [Woj, Shams] KP to Dallas 

Post#124 » by ozwizard8 » Fri Feb 1, 2019 3:46 am

Pointguard01 wrote:
Luka_be_Dope wrote:Wondering where 47m in cap space is coming from?


This July, here are the contracts:

Harrison Barnes, 1-yr, 25-million
Dwight Powell, 1-yr, 11-million
Courtney Lee, 1-yr, 12-million

I think maybe you read it as cap space, but I'm saying expiring. Though pending scenarios with (1) resigning Maxi + DFS at and (2) what free agents we sign, there is a way towards huge cap space in 2020. In actuality, we probably have 20-million.

We won't have much, if any, cap space in 2019.

Do you think H.Barnes and Dwight Powell contracts as untradeable?
I dont think they have that much negative value.

If Pelicans decides to tank I think they might take those contracts for Jrue Holiday.
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Re: [Woj, Shams] KP to Dallas 

Post#125 » by arkuo » Fri Feb 1, 2019 3:47 am

Luka_be_Dope wrote:
guille_4 wrote:So what will the rotation look like? Will Kleber play backup C? Will Mehri get some playtime?

C: Dwight Powell (24) / Maxi Kleber (20) / Salah Mehri (4)
PF: Harrison Barnes (14) / Finney Smith (24) / Dirk (12)
SF: Tim Hardaway Jr (30) / Harrison Barnes (18)
SG: Courtney Lee (24) / Brunson (16) / Devin Harris (8)
PG: Doncic (34) / Burke (14)


My guess is DFS starts at SG.

C- Powell / Mejiri
PF- Barnes / Kleber
SF- Doncic / Lee
SG- Finney-Smith / Hardaway Jr.
PG- Brunson / Barea / Harris / Burke

Hoping it would look like this next season

C- Porzingis / Powell
PF- Randle / Kleber
SF- Barnes / Finney-Smith
SG- Doncic / Hardaway Jr.
PG- Brunson / Barea / Lee

If we're not sold for Brunson at starting PG then we can sign Patrick Beverly or Terry Rozier in the summer. They play defense while not needing the ball from Luka that much.
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Re: Kristaps Porzingis Discussion 

Post#126 » by arkuo » Fri Feb 1, 2019 3:53 am

Pointguard01 wrote:It's funny that there were NO reports of Porzingis taking the Qualifying Offer with a franchise that he obviously hated, and as soon as he's traded, this report comes out. It sounds like complete BS and something that is coming from the Knicks camp to push the blow back their getting from a PR perspective.

I'd put the chances he would have resigned with the Knicks @ 80%. It's higher with the Mavericks.

Considering our ATL pick is unprotected now, let's get him on the court ASAP!


KP should re-sign with the Mavs easily. Dirk needs to get Holger working with KP soon and this forum will be flooding with Euro fans. LOL
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Re: Kristaps Porzingis Discussion 

Post#127 » by Pointguard01 » Fri Feb 1, 2019 4:04 am

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Pointguard01 wrote:It's funny that there were NO reports of Porzingis taking the Qualifying Offer with a franchise that he obviously hated, and as soon as he's traded, this report comes out. It sounds like complete BS and something that is coming from the Knicks camp to push the blow back their getting from a PR perspective.

I'd put the chances he would have resigned with the Knicks @ 80%. It's higher with the Mavericks.

Considering our ATL pick is unprotected now, let's get him on the court ASAP!

I also doubt that he would take QO. As for the Hawks pick, it seems that the protection is still there. The wording of the trade deal with the Knicks is apparently "first available". So the 2021 unprotected pick to the Knicks could be 2021 but if that's not possible then it would have been later.


OK awesome. Has any source confirmed? It's VERY likely we're giving ATL our pick this year.

That said, we are worse after this trade (assuming we're Porzingis-less) and I wouldn't be surprised if we finish around 7th worse. There's an outside chance we get 9% lucky & jump into the top 3. If we somehow got #1 aka Zion and had to give it to ATL, this would be VERY troubling.
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Re: [Woj, Shams] KP to Dallas 

Post#128 » by LIENT » Fri Feb 1, 2019 4:04 am

fuller4379 wrote:I called it, yesterday!

fuller4379 wrote:DSJ gets a triple double. Let's trade him at max value now.


Lmao. I was actually going to quote you cause I was salty at how reactionary it was, and harp on about how we needed to keep DSJ.

If you had said, “let’s trade Dennis for KP right now” I would have laughed in your face!! Feel like I’m dreaming..
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Re: [Woj, Shams] KP to Dallas 

Post#129 » by ARTjoMS » Fri Feb 1, 2019 4:11 am

Mavs: "KP is better than our chances in FA."
Knicks: "Our chances in FA are better than KP."

Time will tell.
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Re: [Woj, Shams] KP to Dallas 

Post#130 » by youngthegiant » Fri Feb 1, 2019 4:29 am

I actually don't like this move for you guys. Limited draft picks, no immediate cap space.
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Re: Kristaps Porzingis Discussion 

Post#131 » by gh123 » Fri Feb 1, 2019 4:49 am

We are 11th now and have 9,6% chance at top5 pick I think. We should be worse right now and definitely should tank as hard as we can. There are still very good players to be had, Barret, Redish, one of Morant\Zion.
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Re: [Woj, Shams] KP to Dallas 

Post#132 » by arkuo » Fri Feb 1, 2019 4:51 am

youngthegiant wrote:I actually don't like this move for you guys. Limited draft picks, no immediate cap space.


Immediate capspace to sign who? KD and Kawhi wont be coming to Dallas any time soon. Luka and Kristaps are 19 and 23 years old. They have time.
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Re: [Woj, Shams] KP to Dallas 

Post#133 » by Jasen777 » Fri Feb 1, 2019 4:56 am

vincecarter4pres wrote:
arkuo wrote:
Jasen777 wrote:It's too late to tank for a top 5 pick. But Mavs could move up via the lottery, in which case they'd keep the pick and how can they offer the '21 to NY when they'd still owe ATL?



Good point. I think the NY picks gets pushed back or has conditions/ protections attached to them. For all intents and purposes, the long term goal is to be good by 2021. So our picks then would have to be low first rounders.

Read on Twitter by default this makes the 2019 pick owed to Atlanta completely unprotected.


If so that's a risk for the Mavs, that they don't finish in like 10th draft position but win the lottery...
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Re: [Woj, Shams] KP to Dallas 

Post#134 » by Phish Tank » Fri Feb 1, 2019 4:58 am

Knick fan coming in peace with some thoughts (even tho KP is done to my eyes):

1) You'll have fun with your dynamic duo.
2) KP got stamina issues b/c he's had anemia. Doesn't eat enough spinach. Docs need to be on his ass all the time.
3) KP also relies on a sham doc (the Bieber doc) and Janis for strength training and other stuff. They kinda messed him up his first few offseasons by not focusing on body mechanics and enough bulk.
4) Janis is a pain. Gotta keep him away
5) Carlisle may actually get something out of Timmy even though he's not played much defense with NY.
6) Lee's a pro's pro. You'll love him on your team.
7) Burke is a good backup. Just needs some structure.
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Re: [Woj, Shams] KP to Dallas 

Post#135 » by Dan Z » Fri Feb 1, 2019 5:19 am

This may have already been discussed, but what does the Mavs cap space look like after this season?

Isn't Harrison Barnes a FA?
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Re: [Woj, Shams] KP to Dallas 

Post#136 » by gh123 » Fri Feb 1, 2019 5:19 am

Phish Tank wrote:Knick fan coming in peace with some thoughts (even tho KP is done to my eyes):

1) You'll have fun with your dynamic duo.
2) KP got stamina issues b/c he's had anemia. Doesn't eat enough spinach. Docs need to be on his ass all the time.
3) KP also relies on a sham doc (the Bieber doc) and Janis for strength training and other stuff. They kinda messed him up his first few offseasons by not focusing on body mechanics and enough bulk.
4) Janis is a pain. Gotta keep him away
5) Carlisle may actually get something out of Timmy even though he's not played much defense with NY.
6) Lee's a pro's pro. You'll love him on your team.
7) Burke is a good backup. Just needs some structure.


Could you elaborate on 2,3 and 4?
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Re: [Woj, Shams] KP to Dallas 

Post#137 » by Phish Tank » Fri Feb 1, 2019 5:25 am

gh123 wrote:
Phish Tank wrote:Knick fan coming in peace with some thoughts (even tho KP is done to my eyes):

1) You'll have fun with your dynamic duo.
2) KP got stamina issues b/c he's had anemia. Doesn't eat enough spinach. Docs need to be on his ass all the time.
3) KP also relies on a sham doc (the Bieber doc) and Janis for strength training and other stuff. They kinda messed him up his first few offseasons by not focusing on body mechanics and enough bulk.
4) Janis is a pain. Gotta keep him away
5) Carlisle may actually get something out of Timmy even though he's not played much defense with NY.
6) Lee's a pro's pro. You'll love him on your team.
7) Burke is a good backup. Just needs some structure.


Could you elaborate on 2,3 and 4?


Sure:

2) Kristaps dealt with anemia growing up and he had issues with it over the course of his first few seasons. Basically the lack of iron led to stamina issues. Those stamina issues flared up around January/February each year. You can notice there's a dropoff. Yes, it's not as profound as the rookie wall, but there's a dropoff in production. He needs to properly monitor the anemia because it doesn't necessarily go away unless you have a blood transfusion.

3) KP works with the following doc: Carlon Colker. He was known to work with Shaq & Justin Bieber, but he has controversial practices and even faced some lawsuits for some of the sham products he's sold.

4) Janis Porzingis is behind a lot of the disconnect between KP and the franchise. Janis is KP's brother and manager now. A lot of the articles leaked to the press is because of Janis. He's basically the Latvian Lavar Ball.
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Re: [Woj, Shams] KP to Dallas 

Post#138 » by suka2000 » Fri Feb 1, 2019 5:28 am

Actually it was Knicks trainers who worked with Porzingis after his first season. He has made most progress working with his own trainers after his second season.
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Re: [Woj, Shams] KP to Dallas 

Post#139 » by fuller4379 » Fri Feb 1, 2019 5:32 am

Dan Z wrote:This may have already been discussed, but what does the Mavs cap space look like after this season?

Isn't Harrison Barnes a FA?


Harrison Barnes has a player option. If KP decides to take the $4.4 million qualifying offer, then the Mavs have $20 million if Barnes opts in and $45 million if Barnes opts out.

If KP signs a max contract, then the Mavs are over the cap unless Barnes opts out.
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Re: [Woj, Shams] KP to Dallas 

Post#140 » by bondom34 » Fri Feb 1, 2019 5:35 am

Congrats guys! Like this deal for both teams but you'll be great to watch next year. Good luck!
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