What's your perfect(realistic) offseason?

[arkuo]

The DFS situation is tricky. Because his contract is almost up and the question begs how much do you plan to re-sign a starting small forward that averages 5ppg in the regular season? He's worth something to the team and may ask more than he's worth given that he has never seen a big pay day. And if you fail to prepare a backup plan for this, you may be looking at a Josh Green / Nate Hinton SF rotation.

[boogiezen]

If they will resign THJ, Dallas ends with no cap space anymore assuming Jrich opts in.

[arkuo]

If they will resign THJ, Dallas ends with no cap space anymore assuming Jrich opts in.

THJ can be signed after Dallas goes over the cap, yes?

I still prefer they send Josh Richardson and Dwight Powell to Sacto for Hield after Jrich opts in. That's essentially helping Sacto clear Hield off their books and give playing time for Haliburton.

[JJP]

The DFS thing - from all accounts the fans have heard over the years - is that DFS is really good without the ball. That's not something that's easily quantified statistically. However, I think it's safe to assume that DFS is much better than Duncan without the ball. Rebounding in particular.

Management is not likely to give up DFS. His salary and overall play would be hard to replace - and it can't be easily done with stats.

[BlazersBroncos]

THJ can be signed after Dallas goes over the cap, yes?

He can, but it wont help as his Cap Hold is 28M. If you relinquish that cap hold, you need to use Cap Space or an Exemption to resign him. If Dallas wants to keep THJ while also making a move for a higher tier FA, they basically will need to find a way to get off Powell and Burks.

If DAL doesnt want to pay a FRP (And potentially more IMO) to get off Powell and Burks, a trade for Eric Gordon could fit.

Resign THJ 3/60
Powell + Burks + SRP for Gordon (Saves HOU 30M+, DAL moves spare parts for a player who can be a secondary ballhandler and guard PGs, albeit not that well)
Split MLE b/t Gorgui Dieng and WCS, RHJ to vet min

G - Eric Gordon / Jalen Brunson / Tyrell Terry
G - Tim Hardaway Jr / Josh Richardson / Josh Green
F - Luka Doncic / Josh Richardson / Rhondae Hollis-Jefferson
F - Dorian Finney-Smith / Maxi Kleber / Willie Caulie-Stein / Tyler Bey
C - Kristaps Porzingis / Gorgui Dieng / Willie Caulie Stein

Gordon isnt ideal, but he is potentially attainable using cap filler types like Powell and Burks. Its either package them for more cap space w/ assets attached, sit on them or try to find an overpaid, more useful type to target in a trade. Gordon fits the latter strategy.

FWIW, I think finding a way to turn Powell + Burke + Small Filler for Gordon is a better move than Richardson + Powell for Hield. I actually think Gordon on average is a better fit that Hield, he is a better ballhandler, distributor and can at least match w/ PG's. Hield is a 20M+ per spotup shooter. Shooting is all over the roster as it stands, making a small concession in 3PT shooting w/ Gordon for the other traits he brings is worth it IMO.

[41Dirk41]

Yes but Luka makes a good defender into a good shooter (Kleber and DFS shoots very well with Luka), Duncan is a sharpshooter no doubt about that and will increase his % with Luka.
But i think we need players who plays both side of the court, Dillon Brooks type of players.

Duncan Robinson isn't a huge upgrade over DFS... obviously should be a great addition for our squad.

What you're saying makes sense, and maybe I'm getting too attached to the idea of Duncan Robinson playing along side Luka. Never a good thing to get too attached to an idea.

I do disagree that Duncan Robinson isn't a huge upgrade over DFS tho. First, DFS has this reputation among Mavs fans as a defensive stopper. Tuesday night when Kawhi was giving us work in the 1H, how many possessions did DFS guard him? Where's the game where DFS took on LeBron or Bradley Beal or Steph or a big time scorer and locked them up? I don't remember.

I think DFS is an above average defender and has intangibles that are valuable, but he's not so good that you're looking at one of the top available FAs and thinking "not a huge upgrade over DFS". He's not in that category.

DFS & Duncan Robinson are two different players. I mean would Tony Allen and Kyle Korver being getting compared to each other? They have two different functions on a team. DFS has turned into a good 3 point shooter, if he's open. DFS 39% (37% and 31% the two seasons prior). Duncan Robinson is 40% with a hand in his face at all times, with having to fight through screens just to get a little daylight. Duncan was 44% last season when he wasn't at the top of every opponent's scouting report, with those quality looks like Luka will provide.

The main thing for me is we have the cap space, we have the chance to add a valuable piece, and there's not much else to consider this offseason. For example, if the free agent class included big names like Devin Booker, Jrue Holiday, Zach LaVine, Jayson Tatum, Christian Wood, DeJounte Murray, etc. then Duncan Robinson might take a backseat in my plans. That's not the case, though. Duncan is one of the top 3 or 4 players the Mavs could sign this offseason.

The other thing is this. What do you think the market would be for 2014-2015 Kyle Korver who led the league with 49.2% 3PM if he were available this offseason? And that guy was 27.

Yes i agree, DFS isn't a defensive stopper...but , for now at least, he is very cheap for his value.
I don't want overpay him but i don't want overpay Robinson too because he can only shoots.
We need more talented players.

I hope you are right and Luka will make Dallas very attractive in FA (Markannen and Hield prove that).

We need pass at least the first round, good players want play in good teams (unless you play at LA or NY of course hahahahaha)

[41Dirk41]

I forgot, hope Green will take DFS spot in 2/3 years adding more playmaking, passing and defense...

[arkuo]

The DFS thing - from all accounts the fans have heard over the years - is that DFS is really good without the ball. That's not something that's easily quantified statistically. However, I think it's safe to assume that DFS is much better than Duncan without the ball. Rebounding in particular.

Management is not likely to give up DFS. His salary and overall play would be hard to replace - and it can't be easily done with stats.

I think DFS's value is a bit overrated by fans having an emotional attachment to him. His job was to defend Kawhi or PG last game, Kawhi scored 41 and PG almost got a 28 point triple double. Its the other Clippers who were off and that allowed Dallas to pull away. There is a reason why Ty Lue always switches Kawhi on the DFS to conserve his energy, because DFS requires the least amount of work to defend.

Look, you gotta be able to upgrade the starting 5 somehow. If management plans to keep KP, Doncic, THJ and Kleber, that leaves SF as the spot you can upgrade on. You cant go back next season with the same starting 5. Especially when there is a chance that DFS will be asking for Dwight Powell money. You want to have a backup plan in case that happens. Im not saying trade DFS, but get someone who is also a starting caliber SF so DFS doesnt have too much of a leverage come free agency.

[ejs78]

This is why I too don't want to pay Robinson 20+ million.

If you want a shooter bring back Doug Mcdermott.

Yes but Luka makes a good defender into a good shooter (Kleber and DFS shoots very well with Luka), Duncan is a sharpshooter no doubt about that and will increase his % with Luka.
But i think we need players who plays both side of the court, Dillon Brooks type of players.

Duncan Robinson isn't a huge upgrade over DFS... obviously should be a great addition for our squad.

What you're saying makes sense, and maybe I'm getting too attached to the idea of Duncan Robinson playing along side Luka. Never a good thing to get too attached to an idea.

I do disagree that Duncan Robinson isn't a huge upgrade over DFS tho. First, DFS has this reputation among Mavs fans as a defensive stopper. Tuesday night when Kawhi was giving us work in the 1H, how many possessions did DFS guard him? Where's the game where DFS took on LeBron or Bradley Beal or Steph or a big time scorer and locked them up? I don't remember.

I think DFS is an above average defender and has intangibles that are valuable, but he's not so good that you're looking at one of the top available FAs and thinking "not a huge upgrade over DFS". He's not in that category.

DFS & Duncan Robinson are two different players. I mean would Tony Allen and Kyle Korver being getting compared to each other? They have two different functions on a team. DFS has turned into a good 3 point shooter, if he's open. DFS 39% (37% and 31% the two seasons prior). Duncan Robinson is 40% with a hand in his face at all times, with having to fight through screens just to get a little daylight. Duncan was 44% last season when he wasn't at the top of every opponent's scouting report, with those quality looks like Luka will provide.

The main thing for me is we have the cap space, we have the chance to add a valuable piece, and there's not much else to consider this offseason. For example, if the free agent class included big names like Devin Booker, Jrue Holiday, Zach LaVine, Jayson Tatum, Christian Wood, DeJounte Murray, etc. then Duncan Robinson might take a backseat in my plans. That's not the case, though. Duncan is one of the top 3 or 4 players the Mavs could sign this offseason.

The other thing is this. What do you think the market would be for 2014-2015 Kyle Korver who led the league with 49.2% 3PM if he were available this offseason? And that guy was 27.

Yes i agree, DFS isn't a defensive stopper...but , for now at least, he is very cheap for his value.
I don't want overpay him but i don't want overpay Robinson too because he can only shoots.
We need more talented players.

I hope you are right and Luka will make Dallas very attractive in FA (Markannen and Hield prove that).

We need pass at least the first round, good players want play in good teams (unless you play at LA or NY of course hahahahaha)

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[ejs78]

Yes but Luka makes a good defender into a good shooter (Kleber and DFS shoots very well with Luka), Duncan is a sharpshooter no doubt about that and will increase his % with Luka.
But i think we need players who plays both side of the court, Dillon Brooks type of players.

Duncan Robinson isn't a huge upgrade over DFS... obviously should be a great addition for our squad.

What you're saying makes sense, and maybe I'm getting too attached to the idea of Duncan Robinson playing along side Luka. Never a good thing to get too attached to an idea.

I do disagree that Duncan Robinson isn't a huge upgrade over DFS tho. First, DFS has this reputation among Mavs fans as a defensive stopper. Tuesday night when Kawhi was giving us work in the 1H, how many possessions did DFS guard him? Where's the game where DFS took on LeBron or Bradley Beal or Steph or a big time scorer and locked them up? I don't remember.

I think DFS is an above average defender and has intangibles that are valuable, but he's not so good that you're looking at one of the top available FAs and thinking "not a huge upgrade over DFS". He's not in that category.

DFS & Duncan Robinson are two different players. I mean would Tony Allen and Kyle Korver being getting compared to each other? They have two different functions on a team. DFS has turned into a good 3 point shooter, if he's open. DFS 39% (37% and 31% the two seasons prior). Duncan Robinson is 40% with a hand in his face at all times, with having to fight through screens just to get a little daylight. Duncan was 44% last season when he wasn't at the top of every opponent's scouting report, with those quality looks like Luka will provide.

The main thing for me is we have the cap space, we have the chance to add a valuable piece, and there's not much else to consider this offseason. For example, if the free agent class included big names like Devin Booker, Jrue Holiday, Zach LaVine, Jayson Tatum, Christian Wood, DeJounte Murray, etc. then Duncan Robinson might take a backseat in my plans. That's not the case, though. Duncan is one of the top 3 or 4 players the Mavs could sign this offseason.

The other thing is this. What do you think the market would be for 2014-2015 Kyle Korver who led the league with 49.2% 3PM if he were available this offseason? And that guy was 27.

Yes i agree, DFS isn't a defensive stopper...but , for now at least, he is very cheap for his value.
I don't want overpay him but i don't want overpay Robinson too because he can only shoots.
We need more talented players.

I hope you are right and Luka will make Dallas very attractive in FA (Markannen and Hield prove that).

We need pass at least the first round, good players want play in good teams (unless you play at LA or NY of course hahahahaha)

Is there a Buddy Hield to Dallas rumor I dont know about?

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[arkuo]

What you're saying makes sense, and maybe I'm getting too attached to the idea of Duncan Robinson playing along side Luka. Never a good thing to get too attached to an idea.

I do disagree that Duncan Robinson isn't a huge upgrade over DFS tho. First, DFS has this reputation among Mavs fans as a defensive stopper. Tuesday night when Kawhi was giving us work in the 1H, how many possessions did DFS guard him? Where's the game where DFS took on LeBron or Bradley Beal or Steph or a big time scorer and locked them up? I don't remember.

I think DFS is an above average defender and has intangibles that are valuable, but he's not so good that you're looking at one of the top available FAs and thinking "not a huge upgrade over DFS". He's not in that category.

DFS & Duncan Robinson are two different players. I mean would Tony Allen and Kyle Korver being getting compared to each other? They have two different functions on a team. DFS has turned into a good 3 point shooter, if he's open. DFS 39% (37% and 31% the two seasons prior). Duncan Robinson is 40% with a hand in his face at all times, with having to fight through screens just to get a little daylight. Duncan was 44% last season when he wasn't at the top of every opponent's scouting report, with those quality looks like Luka will provide.

The main thing for me is we have the cap space, we have the chance to add a valuable piece, and there's not much else to consider this offseason. For example, if the free agent class included big names like Devin Booker, Jrue Holiday, Zach LaVine, Jayson Tatum, Christian Wood, DeJounte Murray, etc. then Duncan Robinson might take a backseat in my plans. That's not the case, though. Duncan is one of the top 3 or 4 players the Mavs could sign this offseason.

The other thing is this. What do you think the market would be for 2014-2015 Kyle Korver who led the league with 49.2% 3PM if he were available this offseason? And that guy was 27.

Yes i agree, DFS isn't a defensive stopper...but , for now at least, he is very cheap for his value.
I don't want overpay him but i don't want overpay Robinson too because he can only shoots.
We need more talented players.

I hope you are right and Luka will make Dallas very attractive in FA (Markannen and Hield prove that).

We need pass at least the first round, good players want play in good teams (unless you play at LA or NY of course hahahahaha)

Is there a Buddy Hield to Dallas rumor I dont know about?

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https://www.sportskeeda.com/basketball/rumor-nba-trade-rumors-buddy-hield-wants-move-dallas-mavericks

The media came out when a source close to Hield mentioned that he preferred to be moved to the Mavs back when his relationship with Luke Walton soured. Reports had him ignoring Walton's phone calls, wasn't happy with his diminished role. The Kings preferred to give more playing time to Haliburton - for good reason. Hield was the odd man out.

Hield is signed on for 3 more years, and with that amount of money, the Kings cant have him come off the bench. They'd have to move him for talent, for expirings, or for both. If Jrich opts in, that's essentially an expiring contract who also plays Hield's position and has no problems coming off the bench. Makes sense for both teams.

[DJ_3_Ball]

If they will resign THJ, Dallas ends with no cap space anymore assuming Jrich opts in.

If you're J Rich, why would you opt in?

J Rich opting in has been discussed a few times on this forum, and I just don't see it. The precedent has been set in the NBA for a while now. Even players who have 1 year left with a balloon payment. Say $22 mil (6 years ago when that was a lot of money), will opt out of the 1 year for $22 mil and take a 3 year for $50 mil contract instead. They almost always go for more total money, even if it's less money per year. That's how this goes.

J Rich: 27 yrs old, NBA starter, 2021 weak FA class (better chance someone overpays), still a 3 & D player with value. He's a former 16.6 ppg scorer, and he can probably get more than $10 mil per season on the open market.

I can't think many plausible reasons J Rich would opt in. His agent will probably forbid him to do it, even if he loves it here & the Mavs win the title this year. It just doesn't make good economic sense.

[DJ_3_Ball]

... I think it's safe to assume that DFS is much better than Duncan without the ball. Rebounding in particular...

Robinson talked about this on his podcast. He's not a great rebounder, but his stats are shaded below his true rebounding ability because in Miami's scheme is the assigned to release and be the player who gets back on defense. He's not supposed to crash the boards.

He's 6-8. I think he can be an adequate rebounder.

[ejs78]

Its hard to say what Jrich will do.

Remember who his agent is.

If they will resign THJ, Dallas ends with no cap space anymore assuming Jrich opts in.

If you're J Rich, why would you opt in?

J Rich opting in has been discussed a few times on this forum, and I just don't see it. The precedent has been set in the NBA for a while now. Even players who have 1 year left with a balloon payment. Say $22 mil (6 years ago when that was a lot of money), will opt out of the 1 year for $22 mil and take a 3 year for $50 mil contract instead. They almost always go for more total money, even if it's less money per year. That's how this goes.

J Rich: 27 yrs old, NBA starter, 2021 weak FA class (better chance someone overpays), still a 3 & D player with value. He's a former 16.6 ppg scorer, and he can probably get more than $10 mil per season on the open market.

I can't think many plausible reasons J Rich would opt in. His agent will probably forbid him to do it, even if he loves it here & the Mavs win the title this year. It just doesn't make good economic sense.

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[JJP]

In regards to J Rich, why would you want to stay here if you've been demoted?

I feel certain he can get a reasonable salary elsewhere. If you're a player, you want a fresh start.

[fuller4379]

Sign Kawhi Leonard after he loses out in the first round. Go after Collins with a sign and trade for KP. If the Hawks are not willing to do this, then trade KP for a bucket of basketballs and resign THJ.

[41Dirk41]

Sign Kawhi Leonard after he loses out in the first round. Go after Collins with a sign and trade for KP. If the Hawks are not willing to do this, then trade KP for a bucket of basketballs and resign THJ.

Kawhi is a dream...but he will never leaves LA...

[JJP]

I'm not sure what happens to Kawhi. It doesn't seem likely that he will leave LA, but early reports suggest it's nearly impossible for the Lakers to sign him. More likely is that Clippers management makes a big effort to change some more personnel... but where? Big question mark everywhere.

[ejs78]

With Miami getting smashed I wonder what they and Dragic do with that team option




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[Mr B]

With Miami getting smashed I wonder what they and Dragic do with that team option




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In a weak FA class I’m wondering how much Dragic will get offered. Also would he be willing to come to Dallas for less. The key I think will be to resign THJ. Then make a run at a free agent whether it be Duncan Robinson, John Collins, or whoever. Then after that is done if Dragic is still available I would like to sign him. I’m not too sure on how the salary cap works and the MLE or the other smaller exceptions work.


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