How Much Is Jalen Brunson Worth In The Offseason?

[arkuo]

It's important don't lose him for nothing, Nico is well paid for take those decisions.

Agreed. It seems Rick Brunson is taking a big role into negotiations on where his son lands and how much he gets. I would like to give him the benefit of the doubt since 99% of dads would like the best for their kids. But something feels off. Like Kristaps and Janis Porzingis kind of off.

[arkuo]

This would all depend on how much Cuban is willing to offer IMO. And if the other party finds the offer "respectable". Normally a family member who has multi million dollar dreams can be a distraction in negotiations.

For conversation sake, there are two teams you can S&T him to in case talks break down.

Detroit for Jerami Grant
New York for Alec Burks, Nerlens Noel (probably)

Both deals suck for Dallas but Brunson is UFA and does not owe Dallas the courtesy of a sign and trade. Same goes with the team of his destination having no obligation to help Dallas with talent.

[ACMFFL]

The timing of the article and media leak of Brunson being offered to Sacramento for Tyrese Haliburton during draft night is suspicious. Right before a game 5, really? To distract players and seed BS? Tim Mcmahon covers both Dallas and Utah as his beats FYI.

I don't know US journalists but the timing is definitely suspicious. Why talking about free agency the very same day of G5?

[arkuo]

The timing of the article and media leak of Brunson being offered to Sacramento for Tyrese Haliburton during draft night is suspicious. Right before a game 5, really? To distract players and seed BS? Tim Mcmahon covers both Dallas and Utah as his beats FYI.

I don't know US journalists but the timing is definitely suspicious. Why talking about free agency the very same day of G5?

The timing feels fishy to me. Draft night was long ago. That article could have been released at any point from then until last month. But to release an article saying Dallas was about to let Brunson go to Sacramento, on the morning of a game 5? Really?

Could be unrelated, but Danny Ainge is on the other side of the fence with Utah now. Something about the guy I dont trust. Mind games and all.

[ACMFFL]

This would all depend on how much Cuban is willing to offer IMO. And if the other party finds the offer "respectable". Normally a family member who has multi million dollar dreams can be a distraction in negotiations.

For conversation sake, there are two teams you can S&T him to in case talks break down.

Detroit for Jerami Grant
New York for Alec Burks, Nerlens Noel (probably)

Both deals suck for Dallas but Brunson is UFA and does not owe Dallas the courtesy of a sign and trade. Same goes with the team of his destination having no obligation to help Dallas with talent.

BYC just makes it very hard to S&T Brunson.

[arkuo]

This would all depend on how much Cuban is willing to offer IMO. And if the other party finds the offer "respectable". Normally a family member who has multi million dollar dreams can be a distraction in negotiations.

For conversation sake, there are two teams you can S&T him to in case talks break down.

Detroit for Jerami Grant
New York for Alec Burks, Nerlens Noel (probably)

Both deals suck for Dallas but Brunson is UFA and does not owe Dallas the courtesy of a sign and trade. Same goes with the team of his destination having no obligation to help Dallas with talent.

BYC just makes it very hard to S&T Brunson.

Yeah, by my understanding, you sign Brunson to $25M, you can get a player at around $12.5M back. That puts you in the Alec Burks range, probably. But like I said, any Brunson S&T won't bring back equal value anyway. I'd rather just sign him to a big contract then find a trade later on. Cant lose him for nothing.

PS: There is also Orlando as a suitor with a need for a starting point guard. They can sign Gary Harris to $12M who is also UFA and then trade him for Brunson who signs at $25M which makes the BYC work somewhat. Dallas gets a guard that slides right in. Harris is not as good a shooter as Brunson but he makes up for it with his defense.

[Archx]

Did Mavs drop the ball with Brunson?

From reading that article, my understanding is that Brunson wanted to sign basically almost any deal in the range of 10-15M but Mavs declined... And then when Mavs came back with more or less same deal obviously his camp declined and said wait until the end of playoffs. Now, even if Cuban still wants to resign him, he'll basically have to pay 10-15M more than Brunson would initially signed if offered. (PER YEAR).

If i am correct and if i understood it correctly, then Cuban shot himself in the foot. And i always said Mavs need Brunson and they have to resign him but not at any cost, now if Brunson continues to have great playoffs, they will have to pay a ton more. Problem is, Mavs can't afford to lose him because they have no cap left and the same team without him will get much worse.

[arkuo]

Did Mavs drop the ball with Brunson?

From reading that article, my understanding is that Brunson wanted to sign basically almost any deal in the range of 10-15M but Mavs declined... And then when Mavs came back with more or less same deal obviously his camp declined and said wait until the end of playoffs. Now, even if Cuban still wants to resign him, he'll basically have to pay 10-15M more than Brunson would initially signed if offered. (PER YEAR).

If i am correct and if i understood it correctly, then Cuban shot himself in the foot. And i always said Mavs need Brunson and they have to resign him but not at any cost, now if Brunson continues to have great playoffs, they will have to pay a ton more. Problem is, Mavs can't afford to lose him because they have no cap left and the same team without him will get much worse.

I think they dropped the ball. The reverse of what happened to Nerlens Noel. When he came back to the table, the offer was not there anymore. Mavs could have bought low on Brunson. 10 to 15M is way below market value, this summer they would have to pay top dollar (even more if Detroit fails to get Ayton, they might throw 30M at Brunson).

Like the above post, from a strict business standpoint, I would not be opposed to dual sign and trades with the Orlando Magic. Gary Harris got his groove back in December and is a positive on defense when he is on the floor. Shoots 38% from 3 which is not bad. 6'4 and is a 3&D point guard. Basically a Bullock and a DFS in a PG body. Brunson signs for 25M BYC, you S&T him to Orlando for Harris who signs for half of that at 12.5M. That works with the CBA and Mavs avoid being hard capped into signing another player at 25M. From a business standpoint, it makes sense.

So basically the production you lose with Brunson, just squeeze more from Dinwiddie, Harris and Bertans. They are paid to do so anyway. Just dont lose him for nothing is the point Im trying to make.

[Archx]

Spoiler:

Did Mavs drop the ball with Brunson?

From reading that article, my understanding is that Brunson wanted to sign basically almost any deal in the range of 10-15M but Mavs declined... And then when Mavs came back with more or less same deal obviously his camp declined and said wait until the end of playoffs. Now, even if Cuban still wants to resign him, he'll basically have to pay 10-15M more than Brunson would initially signed if offered. (PER YEAR).

If i am correct and if i understood it correctly, then Cuban shot himself in the foot. And i always said Mavs need Brunson and they have to resign him but not at any cost, now if Brunson continues to have great playoffs, they will have to pay a ton more. Problem is, Mavs can't afford to lose him because they have no cap left and the same team without him will get much worse.

I think they dropped the ball. The reverse of what happened to Nerlens Noel. When he came back to the table, the offer was not there anymore. Mavs could have bought low on Brunson. 10 to 15M is way below market value, this summer they would have to pay top dollar (even more if Detroit fails to get Ayton, they might throw 30M at Brunson).

Like the above post, from a strict business standpoint, I would not be opposed to dual sign and trades with the Orlando Magic. Gary Harris got his groove back in December and is a positive on defense when he is on the floor. Shoots 38% from 3 which is not bad. 6'4 and is a 3&D point guard. Basically a Bullock and a DFS in a PG body. Brunson signs for 25M BYC, you S&T him to Orlando for Harris who signs for half of that at 12.5M. That works with the CBA and Mavs avoid being hard capped into signing another player at 25M. From a business standpoint, it makes sense.

So basically the production you lose with Brunson, just squeeze more from Dinwiddie, Harris and Bertans. They are paid to do so anyway. Just dont lose him for nothing is the point Im trying to make.

Yeah you make good points but the article also said that Mavs have ZERO intentions for S&T. Obviously things can change but we can all agree that at this point Cuban will do anything to keep Brunson unless he demands like 30M per which would almost go in to max territory.

[arkuo]

Spoiler:

Did Mavs drop the ball with Brunson?

From reading that article, my understanding is that Brunson wanted to sign basically almost any deal in the range of 10-15M but Mavs declined... And then when Mavs came back with more or less same deal obviously his camp declined and said wait until the end of playoffs. Now, even if Cuban still wants to resign him, he'll basically have to pay 10-15M more than Brunson would initially signed if offered. (PER YEAR).

If i am correct and if i understood it correctly, then Cuban shot himself in the foot. And i always said Mavs need Brunson and they have to resign him but not at any cost, now if Brunson continues to have great playoffs, they will have to pay a ton more. Problem is, Mavs can't afford to lose him because they have no cap left and the same team without him will get much worse.

I think they dropped the ball. The reverse of what happened to Nerlens Noel. When he came back to the table, the offer was not there anymore. Mavs could have bought low on Brunson. 10 to 15M is way below market value, this summer they would have to pay top dollar (even more if Detroit fails to get Ayton, they might throw 30M at Brunson).

Like the above post, from a strict business standpoint, I would not be opposed to dual sign and trades with the Orlando Magic. Gary Harris got his groove back in December and is a positive on defense when he is on the floor. Shoots 38% from 3 which is not bad. 6'4 and is a 3&D point guard. Basically a Bullock and a DFS in a PG body. Brunson signs for 25M BYC, you S&T him to Orlando for Harris who signs for half of that at 12.5M. That works with the CBA and Mavs avoid being hard capped into signing another player at 25M. From a business standpoint, it makes sense.

So basically the production you lose with Brunson, just squeeze more from Dinwiddie, Harris and Bertans. They are paid to do so anyway. Just dont lose him for nothing is the point Im trying to make.

Yeah you make good points but the article also said that Mavs have ZERO intentions for S&T. Obviously things can change but we can all agree that at this point Cuban will do anything to keep Brunson unless he demands like 30M per which would almost go in to max territory.

Agreed. 30M is where I would back off too. You can't pay Luka and Brunson the same amount. They are from different tiers of players IMO. One is a true max player and the other a product of circumstance.

[leolozon]

So, why didn't the Mavs offer 55m before the season?

Even considering his production last year and his age, that was an okay number.

[deb]

If I remember correctly, there was talk that Mavs knew Brunson wouldn't take 55 mil before the season so they didn't even officially offer it knowing full well they would have to pay him after the season...

[Absinthe]

I’m not sure wha they should give him. Honestly, anything above 20 million a year I would be hesitant to do. You’d have several large contracts on the team at that point: THJ, Brunson, Bertans, Luka, and Dinwiddie. None of those players are front court players. They would have to figure out how to move at least one (maybe two) of those contracts to be able to build. It’s a ton of money tied up on a backcourt. The DFS contract was a good deal I’m retrospect.

[fuller4379]

He has scored over 20 points in all five post-season games. His value is going up by the game this post-season. I wouldn't be opposed to 4 years $100 million at this point.

[Mr B]

Per wiretap, Rick Brunson said no such thing as a hometown discount for Dallas. He needs to see money not words. If you love Jalen, then show him. His words, not mine.

For the time we've known Cuban, he's never been receptive to players (or family members) who ask him for big contracts. Hope this can change for Dallas to keep Jalen. Under reaaonable circumstances of course.

I know it sounds off, but for discussion purposes, I've heard about Pop having interest in Brunson. I have no problems with a Dejounte Murray S&T there.

I wouldn’t be upset with that S&T

[Mr B]

This would all depend on how much Cuban is willing to offer IMO. And if the other party finds the offer "respectable". Normally a family member who has multi million dollar dreams can be a distraction in negotiations.

For conversation sake, there are two teams you can S&T him to in case talks break down.

Detroit for Jerami Grant
New York for Alec Burks, Nerlens Noel (probably)

Both deals suck for Dallas but Brunson is UFA and does not owe Dallas the courtesy of a sign and trade. Same goes with the team of his destination having no obligation to help Dallas with talent.

Everyone always mentions Detroit and New York because they have cap space but what if a team that doesn’t have cap space approaches Brunson about a S&T. What teams without cap space would be willing to do a S&T?

[arkuo]

This would all depend on how much Cuban is willing to offer IMO. And if the other party finds the offer "respectable". Normally a family member who has multi million dollar dreams can be a distraction in negotiations.

For conversation sake, there are two teams you can S&T him to in case talks break down.

Detroit for Jerami Grant
New York for Alec Burks, Nerlens Noel (probably)

Both deals suck for Dallas but Brunson is UFA and does not owe Dallas the courtesy of a sign and trade. Same goes with the team of his destination having no obligation to help Dallas with talent.

Everyone always mentions Detroit and New York because they have cap space but what if a team that doesn’t have cap space approaches Brunson about a S&T. What teams without cap space would be willing to do a S&T?

To narrow it down, they have to be teams that need a real PG and teams that are located in cities Brunson likes to live in for him to facilitate a S&T. He is UFA so he's got the say, not Dallas.

[arkuo]

IMO at this specific point in the playoffs, Brunson has done enough to earn $25M per year. That is 2016 Harrison Barnes money. Factor in inflation in 2022, I think it is doable. Not what I would want but market dictates price.

[arkuo]

A very efficient 30/5/4 through 5 playoff games somewhat guarantees $100 for 4 years IMO. $25M per year is chump change to Cuban. That is what he paid Harrison Barnes 8 years ago and Brunson already surpassed that. The only clincher here is if some team offers Brunson $120M/4. That is hovering around Blake Griffin money.

[Michaellam1987]

Given Brunson's recent playoff performance, he will definitely get offer close to 25M per year from teams like DET or NYK. DAL honestly has no choice but to keep him. What we can do afterward is to find team to eat some of our bad expiring contracts, such as Chriss/Brown/Burke/Boban, by surrendering some minor draft captial. And also negotiate with Kleber to sign a longer but cheaper per year contract. And hopefully can lower the luxury tax bill.