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Post#121 » by 41Dirk41 » Wed Jul 6, 2022 5:26 pm

Brunson is good but i think nobody here lost their mind for losing him, the mistake was losing him for nothing.

Yes we lost Nash that year in the same way but we drafted a PG with the pick 5.
So we have to trust in Hardy :D
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Post#122 » by Mavrelous » Wed Jul 6, 2022 5:48 pm

I'm the exact opposite, I was on your side of the argument last off season, you can see for yourself.
This off season was a failure of preparation and execution.
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Post#123 » by arkuo » Wed Jul 6, 2022 5:54 pm

KhalilS wrote:I'm the exact opposite, I was on your side of the argument last off season, you can see for yourself.
This off season was a failure of preparation and execution.



Everything happens for a reason, bud. Put it this way, if DSJ panned out really well, Dallas won't have been in a position to draft Luka. And if Brunson would have signed on long term, it would not have left room for someone else then. Time will tell if that was a good move.
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Post#124 » by 41Dirk41 » Wed Jul 6, 2022 6:51 pm

arkuo wrote:
KhalilS wrote:I'm the exact opposite, I was on your side of the argument last off season, you can see for yourself.
This off season was a failure of preparation and execution.



Everything happens for a reason, bud. Put it this way, if DSJ panned out really well, Dallas won't have been in a position to draft Luka. And if Brunson would have signed on long term, it would not have left room for someone else then. Time will tell if that was a good move.


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Post#125 » by Jonny Blaze » Wed Jul 6, 2022 9:30 pm

KhalilS wrote:I'm the exact opposite, I was on your side of the argument last off season, you can see for yourself.
This off season was a failure of preparation and execution.


Would you still say that if Christian Wood turns into the next Tyson Chandler?

I'm not saying it will happen....but how in the hell can you call this off season a "failure" when the Mavs shored up their weakest position with an above average player?

We don't know who is going to be disgruntled. Who is going to be on the trade block, and who might come available during the season via trade.

I liked Jalen Brunson, and I appreciated everything he did in the 22 post season...but some of you all are acting like his 16-21 PPG production (and non existent defense) can't be replaced.

This is where I'm a glass half full sort of person....maybe the money they didn't commit to Brunson is what allows them to be able to bring in a much better player. Someone that can also play above average perimeter defense.
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Post#126 » by Mavrelous » Wed Jul 6, 2022 9:42 pm

It won't happen, he doesn't have the size, strength or the mentality of TC, but he may very well turn out like 2020 KP which was a damn good player, and of course I'll be happy, 2 legit ball handling guards is not enough, but Luka and Dinwiddie may play 75+ games and they sign a vet min 3rd guard or trade for someone and they turn out enough, even though ball handling was never this thin.
I'll be happy of course, I quit following the NBA closely for almost a decade after the championship, I came back because I enjoyed the new team, and the new star player, I had great fun last season as sports watching should be, I've watched the Jazz and Suns series ~4 times already, but that doesn't change the fact that severe mistakes were made, and the product could've been much better.
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Post#127 » by SOUNDCHASER » Thu Jul 7, 2022 3:29 am

In comparison to last years team we have improved at every position and if the rookies become role players who can play in the rotation by the time the play offs roll around it means that the mavs improvement is even more impressive than I have stated.

The 2 rookies plus the addition of McGee and Woods is beyond excellent this is the best offseason since we added Luka and Brunson.

Because of how the team is balanced we are able to make better moves going forward. The moves that we are able to make now can take the team to further levels of greatness because we have 2 expiring contracts to shift salary for players we no longer prioritize as essential to the teams future for use in trades that may result in far greater value coming back to the team since the team that gives up expiring talent is usually able to get an expensive player that is looked at as being a luxury item since his team is probably looking bad and no longer competing for a play off seeding and may be looking to start a rebuild so they are looking to jetison their older veterans that are on higher salaries and build with younger players through the draft.

Fact: McGee Woods and Bingham are a better trio of centers than Powell Kleeber and Bertans. RIGHT? And they can also play the 4 better now because we also have Powell Kleeber and Bertans to use at the 4 behind Woods who was the 7th leading scoring center in the league last year.

Yeah Woods outscored all centers but 6 other centers those being Embid30.6, Jokic27.1, KAT24.6, Porzingas 20.2, Adebayo 19.1, Sabonis 18.9 and then Woods is there with 17.9 points.

Of course if you may say Woods is a PF now instead of a center. Well then he is the 6th best scoring PF only behind Giannis,29.9, Durant 29.9, AD 23.2, Siakam 22.8, and Randle 20.1.

If you think Woods is not a decent addition because of Brunson leaving then know this. Woods was the 55th leading scorer in the league and Brunson was the 74th leading scorer in the league.

Hardaway despite being injured was at 101, DinWiddie was at 105 and DFS was at 153 McGee was 207 last year on Pho followed by Powell at 225, Bullock at 230 and Kleeber at 300.

Hardy should be erasing the name of Brunson from our memories and Bingham should be outplaying both Powell and Kleeber by the time that the play offs roll around. My prediction is Hardy will be scoring at least as many points per game as Bolluck and Bingham should be outscoring Both Powell and Kleeber by then as well.

In case you did not know it Bingham participated in a pro am a few days back and he scored 35 points in that impromptu game. Plus his last college game was against Duke in the NCAA Tournament where he scored 16 points and got 10 rebounds blocking 3 shots and getting 2 steals while facing off against the eventual #1 pick in the draft P. Banchero.
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Re: Mark Cuban must go! 

Post#128 » by Bob8 » Thu Jul 7, 2022 8:11 am

Maybe a reality check is needed.

1. Mavs are 7th team in Wood's 7 years long career. Not exactly a great sign.
2. McGee is 34 years old, a solid backup C, nothing else.
3. Mavs have lost second best player in his prime.

That's Mavs offseason till now.
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Post#129 » by gottamakeit » Thu Jul 7, 2022 5:28 pm

Bob8 wrote:Maybe a reality check is needed.

1. Mavs are 7th team in Wood's 7 years long career. Not exactly a great sign.
2. McGee is 34 years old, a solid backup C, nothing else.
3. Mavs have lost second best player in his prime.

That's Mavs offseason till now.


And they are going into the season with just 1 playmaker/true PG
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Post#130 » by SOUNDCHASER » Thu Jul 7, 2022 11:14 pm

Hardy has the potential to be better than Brunson while performing much better at the defensive end as well.
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Post#131 » by SOUNDCHASER » Thu Jul 7, 2022 11:24 pm

Brunson was the second best player on offense and only because THJ was hurt. And we have both THJ and Hardy to produce results with so we replaced one guy with 2.
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Post#132 » by SOUNDCHASER » Thu Jul 7, 2022 11:26 pm

McGee is still looking like he has the juice to do the job and he is playing a lot smarter now as well. Bingham is also available and looks like a steal for where we got him. Woods is able to play at PF now where his lack of height against other tall centers will be less likely to hurt his chances of producing sufficient numbers.

Basically we have 3 centers that should out produce the 3 we suffered through using last season.
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Post#133 » by SOUNDCHASER » Thu Jul 7, 2022 11:53 pm

SF should improve also because when we used DFS at PF we had only one decent SF in Bullock now we have 2 that we can use there because we have DFS and Bullock at the 3.
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Post#134 » by SOUNDCHASER » Thu Jul 7, 2022 11:58 pm

SG should be better because when Brunson played at SG he gave us points on the defensive end of the floor and he was playing with Luka which was not really needed. Din can shoot better than Brunson as well as defend much better.

Posteason 3 point % / Reg. Season %
Luka 34.5% / 35.3%
Brunson 34.7% /37.3%
Dinwiddie 41.7% / 40.4%
DFS 42.6% / 39.5%
Bullock 39.7% / 36%
Kleeber 43.6% / 32.5%
Bertans 37.3% / 36 %
THJ Injured / 33.6%
Powell 0% / 35.1%
Green 22.7% / 35.9%
Woods 0% / 39%
College stats of rookies
Bingham 41.5%
Hardy showcase 26.9% /
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Post#135 » by SOUNDCHASER » Fri Jul 8, 2022 12:02 am

I am told that Hardy should improve his 3 point game dramatically and quickly so.

If that happens you also add in Woods and Bingham's 3 pointers to our assassins guild of dagger hitting 3 point artists. That is 3 more shooters to use in certain situations and I have to ask who is the other team going to focus on guarding? With this much fire power we may be the bet 3 point shooting team in the league.
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Post#136 » by Apz » Mon Jul 11, 2022 2:35 pm

Bob8 wrote:Maybe a reality check is needed.

1. Mavs are 7th team in Wood's 7 years long career. Not exactly a great sign.
2. McGee is 34 years old, a solid backup C, nothing else.
3. Mavs have lost second best player in his prime.

That's Mavs offseason till now.


At 1, its just a stat added to have something to complain about. Coming undrafted and have a bunch of 10 days, ofc u will have many teams til u get to a team that want u. And a bit unluck. Would say his career didnt really start til pistons, he wanted to win so snt to houston but harden buttfkd him and now he joins us. So I would say 3. And damn he looked happy whrn they interviewed him at SL.
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Post#137 » by Bob8 » Mon Jul 11, 2022 5:07 pm

Apz wrote:
Bob8 wrote:Maybe a reality check is needed.

1. Mavs are 7th team in Wood's 7 years long career. Not exactly a great sign.
2. McGee is 34 years old, a solid backup C, nothing else.
3. Mavs have lost second best player in his prime.

That's Mavs offseason till now.


At 1, its just a stat added to have something to complain about. Coming undrafted and have a bunch of 10 days, ofc u will have many teams til u get to a team that want u. And a bit unluck. Would say his career didnt really start til pistons, he wanted to win so snt to houston but harden buttfkd him and now he joins us. So I would say 3. And damn he looked happy whrn they interviewed him at SL.


He had better stats than Ayton, who will get max or near max. I believe there's a reason why Mavs have got him for late first. On the other hand it's his contract year, so he should be very motivated.
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Post#138 » by 41Dirk41 » Wed Aug 17, 2022 12:07 pm

"When we lost in the Conference Finals, I don't think it was for a lack of talent." Cuban said. "I think the Warriors deserve a lot of credit because they had played together for so long, their execution was phenomenal. ... That wasn't so much talent as it was corporate knowledge."


I'm sorry Mark, basketball is not for you... Keep playing with Crypto or Shank Tank and let basketball operations to Nico or Kidd please.

GSW had 3 HOF and a bunch of ex lottery pick (plus Wiggins and Porter).
That's definetely a serie lost for lack of talents.
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Post#139 » by Archx » Wed Aug 17, 2022 12:19 pm

41Dirk41 wrote:"When we lost in the Conference Finals, I don't think it was for a lack of talent." Cuban said. "I think the Warriors deserve a lot of credit because they had played together for so long, their execution was phenomenal. ... That wasn't so much talent as it was corporate knowledge."


I'm sorry Mark, basketball is not for you... Keep playing with Crypto or Shank Tank and let basketball operations to Nico or Kidd please.

GSW had 3 HOF and a bunch of ex lottery pick (plus Wiggins and Porter).
That's definetely a serie lost for lack of talents.


Ask Cuban what happens if you remove Doncic and Curry from their teams. GSW would roll over Mavs like a bulldozer.

It's really unfortunate Bullock went 0/10 in that crucial game but Brunson was never a pure PG and he wouldn't create so many open looks for his guys. Cuban is delusional... Powell couldn't even keep Looney in check :lol:
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Post#140 » by SOUNDCHASER » Sat Aug 20, 2022 3:33 am

Archx wrote:
41Dirk41 wrote:"When we lost in the Conference Finals, I don't think it was for a lack of talent." Cuban said. "I think the Warriors deserve a lot of credit because they had played together for so long, their execution was phenomenal. ... That wasn't so much talent as it was corporate knowledge."


I'm sorry Mark, basketball is not for you... Keep playing with Crypto or Shank Tank and let basketball operations to Nico or Kidd please.

GSW had 3 HOF and a bunch of ex lottery pick (plus Wiggins and Porter).
That's definetely a serie lost for lack of talents.


Ask Cuban what happens if you remove Doncic and Curry from their teams. GSW would roll over Mavs like a bulldozer.

It's really unfortunate Bullock went 0/10 in that crucial game but Brunson was never a pure PG and he wouldn't create so many open looks for his guys. Cuban is delusional... Powell couldn't even keep Looney in check :lol:


Thank God we have improved significantly over using Powell and Kleber at the 5 and being forced to use DFS at PF for long stretches. With McGee and Woody we are way more capable on both ends of the court and that is a huge improvement at 2 important positions.

Dinwiddie will have help back up Doncic either we let Hardy go through a learning process or Green or Frank and those are probably the 3 best options to use and I lean to Hardy the most but I am tempted to just let him play with the team and force him to learn the position and adapt his game now instead of taking his time in Frisco. Do you agree that we take our lumps and give him play time now or do we minimize his growth and let him do the Frisco thing for a while?

If Hardy or someone can help to back up our back up for Luka, then we can use Din more at SG. THJ Bullock and DFS hopefully all come prepared for war to start this season with a hot hand to get going in the right direction and that would certainly help a young PG to feel more comfortable with dishing it to the hot shooter.

Hardy needs to focus on defense and dishing to start his career and then slowly over time roll in his offense as he learns to fit in. I do not mind him shooting if we are up and maintaining a lead but if we are down he needs to defer to the others and find the guys who are hot to set up his team to score and not focus on being the center of the offense. If he cannot contain the other teams PG then I say he needs to go to Frisco and I am not sure how much of a leash he gets to play if he cannot adequately defend.

Frank has the defense down so the MBT may wish to skip letting Hardy develop and just use him for now till Hardy develops. Green has that athleticism to naturally play 1 through 3 so I want our investment to pan out on his development and he needs to show a better shooting touch now not in the future. Those are the guys who get the pressure put on them to rise up and be the ball.

They know when it gets close to the TDL they are also assets to move with Powell and maybe Kleber. Depending how the team gels with the new bigs and our new young guys we may fall in love with the additions and see that we are built for contention and stay the course with developing the bottom 5 wings and not want to bundle anything to sell along with Powell's expiring and if Powell seems to do well in his reduced back up duty then maybe he is a keeper to just let expire.

He and Kleber are playing for their next contract so they should be very ready to perform this season and looking to be the best they can be. Do we offer that to another team and let them earn a place with another team or do we let their salary drop off and lose that ability to use it on a trade? our 17th man or our 2nd two way contract needs to be invested in a Center to provide something we might need if McGee goes down. You need another big center for banging against Minn and others anyway so we should scout the leagues centers that could be cut when rosters drop to 15.

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